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Should you be so sure that you needed to anounce it in this thread ...
Which is which in your sig?
Which is which in your sig?
Got any in game pics to back that wild assumption up?sooo Mr.Serpent is MC's moms boyfriend from the original Four Serpents Picture from Lady Cordia's office right ?! I am sooo sure about that
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Everything is pure speculation and fan theories until we get to the point where flashbacks for these first generation of Serpents are shown, but I don't really see any issues with him sharing what he thinks (about "Serpent") on the thread.
Wouldn't even really call it a wild assumption, considering it's actually one of pretty popular theories among the fans of this game (since "Serpent" first appeared and scenes that he had), and it does sound pretty plausible.
There's scenes here and there which sort of alludes to it (not gonna put up screenshots since that would be too much work, but here are a list of scenes and you can search yourself in the game):
1) "Serpent", when he first meets the MC, at first strokes his chin "You have your mother's eyes. Gentle eyes. But eyes that always gave away what she truly felt."
Hearing this, MC thinks "Serpent" has a soothing voice he may have heard before.
But then "Serpent" slaps MC saying "But the face of your father,......even that annoying black and silver hair of his."
This shows "Serpent" has a lot of affection for Rina (MC's mom), yet has animosity towards MC's father.
2) "Serpent", before leaving Cordia's office, tells MC should go visit Rina, saying that she is not well. When MC asks "Why do you care about her?" He just reflects the question saying "I don't. Merely a suggestion."
Only someone who would love Rina would say something like that to MC; so that can narrow down "Serpent"'s identity as either be Rina's ex-fiance who still loves her
Now with the list narrowed down to;
- Rina's ex-fiance
- MC's actual biological father
I do think it makes more sense with Rina's ex-fiance case, due to the following:
3) The Family's concern over MC's safety
Throughout the game, there are remarks here and there, by other characters of the major problems the Family may face should something terrible happen to the MC:
for example, there is an interaction with Antonio, Cordia and Wilfred, which went along the lines like this;
Antonio: Are we sure about this? I thought that we needed to keep him (MC) safe.
Cordia: He needs to learn to survive in our world. If he doesn't he won't survive for much longer.
Interaction like above strongly hints that the DeLucas need MC due to his parents were, and I'm putting stock that it's because of his father. (not saying it will definitely happen this way, but) It would make sense if MC's father was somehow involved with Mysterious Six, and DeLucas are keeping MC as a hostage/failsafe in case things somehow turn out bad against the Mysterious Six.
This extreme concern for MC would make less sense if "Serpent" was MC's real father because then it wouldn't be a matter which the whole Family would need to be concerned about.
4) MC's first meeting with Cordia
In the beginning of the game, Cordia at MC's meeting with her, makes comparisons regarding 3 times; firstly about MC looking like his father, secondly about MC keeping silent despite having several questions with him, also being like his father, and thirdly, about MC's ambition (in which after he tells her, she says with a smile "That's a good ambition....... very much unlike your father.") and MC's response to her ambition question becomes the crux which makes her decide that MC should stay in the main Family house.
I mean, would such vetting had been necessary if the Family thought MC's father was "Serpent" (with several comparison of "like your father" or "unlike your father")? I'd say most likely not.
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You're not really deviating from the whole ATDFEB thing are you.........
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As Popeye would say "I yam what I yam an dats what I yam!"
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You made some really good points, but I think that's wrong for one reason:
If the Donna (hell, even Wilfred) knew that mc's father had any relation with the Mysterious Six, mc's father would be either dead or in hiding and not in the position the game hints he is. The reason for that is that Cordia threw all reason out of the window when Luna got kidnapped and went to war with everyone. Whoever mc's father is, if he was involved in any way with this, he would have been dead long ago, or at the very least beat to submission.
Unless of course he's some sort of spy for the DeLucas in the Mysterious Six, but I kinda doubt that.
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Shhhhh! You can't give away my secret identity just like that!
I need people to stay ignorant of all the evils I do behind the scenes (laughs very evilly)!
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Do you have your cape and underwear-on-the-outside on? Then your secret identity is safeShhhhh! You can't give away my secret identity just like that!
I need people to stay ignorant of all the evils I do behind the scenes (laughs very evilly)!
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Well, we won't know for sure until we see the flashbacks and we see MC's father in present time, but here's my reasoning:
- MC's father doesn't need to be dead.
To go deeper into my theory, MC's father being associated with the Mysterious Six can work if he is either; the actual leader of the Mysterious Six, or even one of the Mysterious Six members himself (it may or may not turn out this way, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that MC's father is a heartless, one evil bastard).
If he was the one pulling the strings behind Luna's kidnapping and is in full control of the Mysterious Six organization, I do think the points that I made in my previous post align pretty well (also, would make sense why DeLucas would hold the MC hostage under the contract).
- Regarding hiding, well even if Cordia and Wilfred either suspect or know it's MC's father behind it, there's not much they can do about it cause Mysterious Six are basically like an uncatchable ghost at this point (for instance, Cordia spent weeks/months trying to find child Luna to no avail), so if MC's father was (and still is) a Mysterious Six member/leader, I'd imagine he'd know how to make himself a ghost without getting caught on Wilfred and the Family's radar.
So if MC's father really is one of the Mysterious Six, there really wouldn't be anything Cordia and Wilfred can do despite the Family's immense resources (I mean, you can't kill what you can't catch lol).
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Serpents are not that unique or in hiding or in high demand.
We all see them slouching it all the time, spending time babysitting the prized heirs
to one of their own, when it is said very graphically explicit that our Ma-donna is perfectly capable of prottecting her children all on her lonesome self.
There are others on par with them that broke ranks when they dismantled their own
organisation to the high seas.
This makes any and all recruits of the same blood with those rogues assassins be valuable.
Remember the plot of Wanted - he was good only because their tormentor would not kill his own son ... this is very much on par with all that is said in this game.
We all see them slouching it all the time, spending time babysitting the prized heirs
to one of their own, when it is said very graphically explicit that our Ma-donna is perfectly capable of prottecting her children all on her lonesome self.
There are others on par with them that broke ranks when they dismantled their own
organisation to the high seas.
This makes any and all recruits of the same blood with those rogues assassins be valuable.
Remember the plot of Wanted - he was good only because their tormentor would not kill his own son ... this is very much on par with all that is said in this game.
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My point is that the DeLucas stopped looking for the Mysterious Six because they couldn't find any leads on them iirc. They couldn't find a thing for a long time so they eventually stopped.
Now, the DeLucas know mc's father. Not in an abstract sense (for example "he's the guy that delivers pizzas on weekends"), they know who he is. They know his face and his name (or at the very least, an alias) and presumably more since he was involved with Rina. That's a lot to go on if you're hunting someone.
That's why I find it unlikely that mc's father had anything to do with Luna's kidnapping or the Mysterious Six. If the DeLucas knew (or even suspected) that he was involved, he would either have been found by the time the story takes place (and dealt with appropriately) or they wouldn't have stopped looking for him.
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We don't know anything other than what has been said told to MC by the MC, but I don't believe just because the DeLucas know MC's father's name/alias, it's a 100% sure guarantee that MC's father would have been caught.
As said, Mysterious Six is an extremely elusive organization, and I think even with that knowledge by DeLucas, the organization would have the resources to hide him and perhaps even give him a new identity (if we assume MC's father is one of the Mysterious Six).
If MC's father went around carelessly in plain sight, and/or had no resources to back him up, then perhaps he might have been caught.
But with Mysterious Six backing him up and he himself being very careful, making himself seem like he disappeared? I'd imagine Myst6 would make it impossible for even DeLucas (or anyone for that matter) to track him down (until MC somehow gets involved, him perhaps being the unknown dark horse that even Mysterious Six didn't take into account).
As to "they wouldn't have stopped looking for him", well that really won't matter if they couldn't find him then, and the DeLucas still can't find him even to this day (and not like Wilfred would tell MC, "Your father is responsible for what happened to Luna and we're tracking him down." Wilfred, being extremely secretive, I'd imagine he'd keep that one pretty close to his chest).
MC's father, with Mysterious Six's resources in his control, perhaps chooses to remain a ghost until he finds it is the right time to strike at DeLucas and let his presence known once again.
To add, game does make a point in one or two instances of the MC whether by thought or phrase shows the whole "sins of the father is not the sins of the son." with MC saying things like "I am not my parents." etc so if the game goes MC's father is a member/leader of the Mysterious Six, and is the main antagonist of the game, well this theme could be explored much further I'd imagine.
With people "knowing" MC's father, who really knows him that well in the DeLucas anyway?
Only sure ones are Cordia, Wilfred, and of course "Serpent", and Gildart (since he's Wilfred's star pupil, and Wilfred let him in on watching MC, and likely the secrets behind MC's parents)
Probably also Antonio, since he's within the Higher ups inner circle (being Underboss, i.e. Capo Bastone and all), even though he's probably only been told who MC is by second hand account.
Rest of the soldiers, most of them (even very high ranked ones like Capos or Wilfred's Division) are currently pretty oblivious to who MC is and what makes him so special to Cordia, Wilfred and the higher ups (only possible exception is Angelo, who wonders why MC looks a little bit familiar, so he might catch on in the future).
In the end, everything I said above is all just fan speculation.
I could be right, or I could be wrong, but whatever actually happens, I'm not dismissing that possibility (of MC's father being evil, and is involved with Mysterious Six) until the game's story tells me otherwise.
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I think that Serpent will eventually be revealed as Hope's long lost older brother, Rex. He definitely gives off Racer X vibes to me.
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Sorry about that man if its not good to tell that here i just wanted to know what others are think about cause this is a discussion thread
and i dont understand that thing you asked about sig
And sorry i deleted the game since we dont get update only releases so sorry no screenshots
its just my own theory with the things JJJ84 said and Serpent looking kind like the guy in Original serpants Photo
and again sorry i cant post screenshots and if its not ok to say this thing here