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I can't see Gracie being the villain. She is so desperate to be allowed to be a part of the family business. If Cordia continued to deny her then I think Gracie might turn just to prove her mother wrong. The only real member of the main cast I could see being the villain is Wilfred (Antonio to a lesser extent or working together.) He has done a few questionable things, but not necessarily going to end up one of the antagonists.

He is the best candidate for it in my opinion. He does have his own division of high ranking members and could possibly sway others to his side. It would be a good twist if it turns out that someone on the inside of the family is working against them. Would just feel strange to me though to have one of the main love interests going to the other side.

The brakes getting cut on the car seems like anyone could've done that, but poisoning the MC seems like it would have to be either a family member or someone really close. Could be funny if it was Luna or Gracie and they told you they didn't know you and just didn't want you in the house or some other silly reason.
 
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I can't see Gracie being the villain. She is so desperate to be allowed to be a part of the family business. If Cordia continued to deny her then I think Gracie might turn just to prove her mother wrong. The only real member of the main cast I could see being the villain is Wilfred (Antonio to a lesser extent or working together.) He has done a few questionable things, but not necessarily going to end up one of the antagonists.

He is the best candidate for it in my opinion. He does have his own division of high ranking members and could possibly sway others to his side. It would be a good twist if it turns out that someone on the inside of the family is working against them. Would just feel strange to me though to have one of the main love interests going to the other side.

The brakes getting cut on the car seems like anyone could've done that, but poisoning the MC seems like it would have to be either a family member or someone really close. Could be funny if it was Luna or Gracie and they told you they didn't know you and just didn't want you in the house or some other silly reason.

I agree at least about Wilfred. In fact in the scenarios playing out in my head right now Wilfred is a biiiiig catalyst.

Picture this: At this point in the story the MC is either having a full fledged affair with Isabel OR....there's a ton of circumstantial evidence to make it appear so. The end result is the same. There is now a very easy and very powerful way to make Antonio an enemy to the MC.

Gracie seems to have as much affection for Antonio as she does for Luna. Granted I remain unconvinced how much of that is authentic. One of the staples of the high-functioning psychopath/sociopath is the ability to fake emotional connections very convincingly and to "love bomb" the targets of their affection. The people they want to possess. That fits Gracie to a T right now.

So if it is revealed that the MC is having an affair with Isabel(Whether it's true or just being implied through circumstantial evidence) this would immediately move Isabel back onto Gracie's shitlist. The whole reason she was there to begin with is that Gracie thought Isabel was cheating on Antonio.

It would also give Antonio cause to want to kill the MC(separate from whoever else is already trying). So what happens if Antonio goes to kill MC but Cordia...for whatever her mysterious reasons....refuses to allow it? Well we might just have the grounds for a DeLuca civil war right there. It could even be a cold war for a while. They could still be sitting at the dinner table together even as lines are being drawn and sides are being picked.

What if when the time comes Gracie has a choice....Team Cordia where she will forever be refused the chance to join the Family business....or Team Antonio where she will be given free reign. Where she will be free to target Isabel. Where she can finally become the thing Cordia fears most and the thing Wilfred longs to see: The one true worthy heiress to Cordia. At least in Wilfred's mind.

Which would be exactly why Wilfred made sure to point Antonio toward the clues about Isabel. Because he knew it would force a schism and Gracie would choose the side that finally lets her evolve beyond Cordia's rigid control. Because Steel can only be forged in Fire.

With high functioning psycho/sociopaths, the moment they feel like they have lost control over you...the moment they think they no longer possess you...all that love bombing affection they showered you with can turn into cold blooded apathy/white hot murder-rage on a dime. If...in that moment where Gracie chose Team Antonio...Luna even hesitated to join her or outright chose to stand by the MC on Team Cordia well...now we have us a Gracie Vs Luna scenario being hinted at in that "Portend" scene.

Additional wedges can be driven between Gracie and the MC by her discovering the hidden cameras, whether she finds them on her own or with Wilfred's nudging her in their direction just like he did Antonio. Psycho/Sociopaths have fragile egos. Getting outmaneuvered like that just adds more fuel to the antagonistic fire. We already saw just quickly all the affection Gracie has shown for the MC was replaced with cold-blooded apathy the moment she merely suspected he had outplayed her. Imagine her reaction when she gets confirmation that he outplayed her?

Maybe she could respect that. Maybe she'd think she's finally found a man worthy of impregnating her. But she might have to work through some cold-blooded apathy/white hot murder rage before she gets to that point. lol

Don't get me wrong now. There are degrees of psychopathy. Maybe Gracie does have some level of genuine love for Luna and Cordia and the MC(and maybe even isabel) that would keep her from going "too far". But a psychopath's idea of "too far" and your idea of "too far" may not necessarily mesh well.

It could all still come out to a loving reconciliation in the end. Maybe Antonio finally comes out of the closet and the Deluca family's reunited power is enough to force the other families to accept this just as they were forced to accept female leaders. But there's plenty of room for drama and conflict and betrayal on the path leading to such a conclusion.

It's all just speculation and theory, of course. A fun way to pass time between updates. But I think this is a highly plausible scenario given what we already know and what's been hinted and teased so far.
 
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Well, maybe the MC was trained in the past and he cant remember (he remembers some weird experiences with his mother but we cant know how much and far that went) so if all of that was a red flag op to, for example, "awaken" his hidden skills it wouldnt surprise that much, it makes sense.
The thing that bothers me is that everything happens in the face of Cordia, Gracie and Wilfred and i dont believe they all are involved. If all of this is on porpuse i cant believe Cordia ignoring everything. One explanation could be that all of that is "normal" but if that is true then Cordia will be easily killed (or the girls). Another explanations could be that Cordia avails this course of actions, Gracie still dont know (i hope she finds more and help us) but then it wouldnt make sense that everything is part of a plot against the same family than the one person allowing it.

A lot of questions and (for me) still cant find a path that covers every point haha (and i love that feeling).

Where do you put the M6? Are they ploting with some familiy? are the an external force non related to Mafias? Are they related to Rina or/and Serpeants? (this last question makes sense when you remember how the MC survive the poison, and how Luna developed her skills, i mean forcing the body to adapt)

In any case im with you in the last part, the MC will have to find if he is loyal to the DeLuca as a family, or the girls, or himself.
 

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Not invalid points but i think both are manageable. There's plenty of ways to put a character in a villainous role yet still have them interacting in non-violent ways with other characters. Soap Operas have done that for decades. Also pretty much every CW Show. Granted, CW is trash TV but...this ain't exactly highbrow entertainment. lol

I can even see a few scenarios in my head already for how it could all play out, devolve into open civil war, and still end with everyone happily reconciled and forgiving each other. If we're going with multi-season long story arcs.Especially considering how many years it takes to get just part way through one season. That's plenty of time to do some storycrafting.
Gracie is without a doubt shown to have issues (I won't analyze whether she's a psychopath/sociopath or not lol), but so does Luna due to trauma they experienced in their childhood (Luna from her being captive of The Mysterious Six, & Gracie due to her unknown experience in "the Woods"), hence I don't think that would really amount to neither of the DeLuca sisters into becoming a villain.
It just feels like one more thing MC needs to do to help Gracie overcome her troublesome past and heal from her trauma.

Besides, fans like Gracie because she's a bright (not just in intelligence, but also her personality in most matters) girl, and some even downright dislike the way she acted towards MC in that Blizzard Princess event.
Granted, I didn't mind it, and I actually think it added a nice wrinkle to Gracie's character from a "happy, bright princess-like character" showing that she's not perfect, but making her an actual antagonist?
Nah......just don't think it's a good idea, since I think that's gonna tip the scale too extreme to her "negative" side (for me, Gracie being a girl with issues that MC helps overcome like he will do with Luna works just fine. No need to change the formula that works).


So if it is revealed that the MC is having an affair with Isabel(Whether it's true or just being implied through circumstantial evidence) this would immediately move Isabel back onto Gracie's shitlist. The whole reason she was there to begin with is that Gracie thought Isabel was cheating on Antonio.
Previously, someone else asked half-jokingly to Hopes "Considering MC does naughty things to girls in their rooms or even in the living room (i.e. Isabel), shouldn't each girl already be aware that MC is doing lewd acts to other girls?"

Hopes' reply: "In real life, yes most likely MC will be caught red-handed already. But for the sake of game logic, we assume other girls aren't aware."

So unless Hopes removes that game logic limiter sometime in the future, I'd say Isabel is safe at least until then.

But even if the so-called game logic limiter is removed and Gracie finds out, I'm not sure she'll have that big of a reaction.
I mean, her being mad at Antonio initially was based solely on Gracie not having realized Antonio is a bisexual (and also her not knowing it could very well be that Antonio had been cheating on Isabel instead).

With this secret known by her now, I'd say chance of her being mad at Isabel is a lot smaller, especially if she realizes over time the growing distance between Antonio and Isabel.

What if when the time comes Gracie has a choice....Team Cordia where she will forever be refused the chance to join the Family business....or Team Antonio where she will be given free reign. Where she will be free to target Isabel. Where she can finally become the thing Cordia fears most and the thing Wilfred longs to see: The one true worthy heiress to Cordia. At least in Wilfred's mind.
That scenario is unlikely to happen.
The main story of the upcoming update (coming soon) is Gracie forging a plan to get Cordia & Wilfred to accept her into the Family Business and implementing it (with MC & Joey's help).
While we wouldn't know the 100% of the outcome yet, from the preview pics shown, I'd say the outcome is pretty favorable for her (and also, there's the fact that Hopes said before that "helping Gracie get into the Family business will be one of the pre-requisites on unlocking Cordia route").

Additional wedges can be driven between Gracie and the MC by her discovering the hidden cameras, whether she finds them on her own or with Wilfred's nudging her in their direction just like he did Antonio. Psycho/Sociopaths have fragile egos. Getting outmaneuvered like that just adds more fuel to the antagonistic fire. We already saw just quickly all the affection Gracie has shown for the MC was replaced with cold-blooded apathy the moment she merely suspected he had outplayed her. Imagine her reaction when she gets confirmation that he outplayed her?
Hopes never revealed what his plans are for the hidden cameras (perhaps he may reveal them, or not. I asked him the question before, but he said there are no plans for hidden cameras as of this moment).

But I'd like to think even if cameras are revealed, it wouldn't really affect her affection towards the MC too much.
I mean, outside Luna (her older sister and best friend), MC is the first genuine friend she made (she tried to make other friends before, but didn't work, finding them "boring"), and I don't think she'll throw that all away just because she thinks MC outplayed her.

Some may disagree, but I think that "cold-blooded apathy" was not genuine, but Gracie's attempt at humor (but being Gracie, it's a twisted sense of humor, heh)
 
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The thing that bothers me is that everything happens in the face of Cordia, Gracie and Wilfred and i dont believe they all are involved. If all of this is on porpuse i cant believe Cordia ignoring everything.
Well i've already theorized why Cordia is ignoring the MC's behavior. It's because she WANTS him to do what he's doing. It's been implied(if memory serves correctly) that MC's dad was also pervy and had a way of ingratiating himself to women even when he wasn't trying to be pervy with them. The MC has been watched since childhood so it stands to reason Cordia knows MC inherited dad's gifts with the ladies.

Cordia knows all three of her daughters are a hot mess. Isabel is slowly turning into an alcoholic to cope with losing a baby and being betrayed by her husband. Luna is hiding severe trauma behind a curtain of murderous bloodrage and reckless disregard for her own safety. And Gracie was simply born cray-cray AF.

She brought the MC into the house hoping he could heal their damage and trauma with the power of his co....lossal love.

As for who's trying to kill him and why....either there are not enough clues for that yet or i'm too obtuse to have noticed them. Maybe some sort of revenge ploy against his mother and father. Maybe he's been perceived as a way to get to Cordia. Maybe it's just a long con on the MC to get him to accept the "protection" of the Delucas long enough for him to heal the Deluca women with the power of his Co...lossal love.
 

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Well, maybe the MC was trained in the past and he cant remember (he remembers some weird experiences with his mother but we cant know how much and far that went) so if all of that was a red flag op to, for example, "awaken" his hidden skills it wouldnt surprise that much, it makes sense.
The thing that bothers me is that everything happens in the face of Cordia, Gracie and Wilfred and i dont believe they all are involved. If all of this is on porpuse i cant believe Cordia ignoring everything. One explanation could be that all of that is "normal" but if that is true then Cordia will be easily killed (or the girls). Another explanations could be that Cordia avails this course of actions, Gracie still dont know (i hope she finds more and help us) but then it wouldnt make sense that everything is part of a plot against the same family than the one person allowing it.

A lot of questions and (for me) still cant find a path that covers every point haha (and i love that feeling).

Where do you put the M6? Are they ploting with some familiy? are the an external force non related to Mafias? Are they related to Rina or/and Serpeants? (this last question makes sense when you remember how the MC survive the poison, and how Luna developed her skills, i mean forcing the body to adapt)

In any case im with you in the last part, the MC will have to find if he is loyal to the DeLuca as a family, or the girls, or himself.
Thank you for given so many credit about my rant! :ROFLMAO:

Of course is probably bullshit most of that, but the story seems to have very blurred lines between right/wrong, loyalty/treason, and for most important, who is a real allied/enemy on the MC's path. The situations are changing everytime and seems to be very volatile on some NPCs. All I know for sure is the MC is going to be on a blind stepping inside a minefield, everytime.
 

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Thank you for given so many credit about my rant! :ROFLMAO:

Of course is probably bullshit most of that, but the story seems to have very blurred lines between right/wrong, loyalty/treason, and for most important, who is a real allied/enemy on the MC's path. The situations are changing everytime and seems to be very volatile on some NPCs. All I know for sure is the MC is going to be on a blind stepping inside a minefield, everytime.
Hahaha im with you in that idea. The story that Luna tells you made me want to protect and avenge her, so if i found Wilfred, Cordia, or anyone that we know has any relation with what Luna experienced, ill go against them no doubt. Besides that my loyalty is with Luna-Gracie-Isabel (we love them and they helped us), then Cordia-Wilfred (they helped (W) but i dont like the silence about our situation) and finally Antonio in the last place (come on, die already so we can be with Isabel without fear haha)
 
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I actually do like Antonio and wouldn't mind a bit more character developement with him. I don't think he's truly Bisexual at all. I suspect he's gay and using Bisexual as a cope and a cover. Note i'm not one of those jackasses who thinks Bisexual isn't a thing. I just don't think it's Antonio's thing.

If he accepts his true sexuality then he'd probably be okay with MC and Isabel being together. Might even serve as a good cover for him.
 

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I could definitely see Wilfred having a decades-long plan for what he thinks the right direction for the family is that he's been subtly steering them along, and at the climax once it's been revealed him angrily ranting that everything was going perfectly to plan before you showed up and ruined everything!
 

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MC needs to man the fuck up. :cool: All this killing and he is still a boy. BTW I read your post a few weeks back and you must have still been sick when you typed it, you gave me COVID o_O:sick: , all over it now and feeling better.
All jokes aside Thanks HopesGaming and looking forward to the update.
Technically, he only killed that one guy who was gonna kill Luna in the Straffan mission, and that was more of a reflex action he did to protect Luna.
He's never been in a position where he's killing someone with actual intent.

There's also the matter of him relying on his "striving to be underestimated" using his cunning (as stated by Gildart).
Hopes said later he will go a transformation of sorts in terms of his character, so the "man up" probably won't happen until that phase, as well as his rank increasing from a lowly Soldato.
My guess is that probably won't happen until he is either a mid-level Elite Soldato or Quasi-Capo.
 

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I could definitely see Wilfred having a decades-long plan for what he thinks the right direction for the family is that he's been subtly steering them along, and at the climax once it's been revealed him angrily ranting that everything was going perfectly to plan before you showed up and ruined everything!
And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling Chad!
 

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I agree at least about Wilfred. In fact in the scenarios playing out in my head right now Wilfred is a biiiiig catalyst.

Picture this: At this point in the story the MC is either having a full fledged affair with Isabel OR....there's a ton of circumstantial evidence to make it appear so. The end result is the same. There is now a very easy and very powerful way to make Antonio an enemy to the MC.

Gracie seems to have as much affection for Antonio as she does for Luna. Granted I remain unconvinced how much of that is authentic. One of the staples of the high-functioning psychopath/sociopath is the ability to fake emotional connections very convincingly and to "love bomb" the targets of their affection. The people they want to possess. That fits Gracie to a T right now.

So if it is revealed that the MC is having an affair with Isabel(Whether it's true or just being implied through circumstantial evidence) this would immediately move Isabel back onto Gracie's shitlist. The whole reason she was there to begin with is that Gracie thought Isabel was cheating on Antonio.

It would also give Antonio cause to want to kill the MC(separate from whoever else is already trying). So what happens if Antonio goes to kill MC but Cordia...for whatever her mysterious reasons....refuses to allow it? Well we might just have the grounds for a DeLuca civil war right there. It could even be a cold war for a while. They could still be sitting at the dinner table together even as lines are being drawn and sides are being picked.

What if when the time comes Gracie has a choice....Team Cordia where she will forever be refused the chance to join the Family business....or Team Antonio where she will be given free reign. Where she will be free to target Isabel. Where she can finally become the thing Cordia fears most and the thing Wilfred longs to see: The one true worthy heiress to Cordia. At least in Wilfred's mind.

Which would be exactly why Wilfred made sure to point Antonio toward the clues about Isabel. Because he knew it would force a schism and Gracie would choose the side that finally lets her evolve beyond Cordia's rigid control. Because Steel can only be forged in Fire.

With high functioning psycho/sociopaths, the moment they feel like they have lost control over you...the moment they think they no longer possess you...all that love bombing affection they showered you with can turn into cold blooded apathy/white hot murder-rage on a dime. If...in that moment where Gracie chose Team Antonio...Luna even hesitated to join her or outright chose to stand by the MC on Team Cordia well...now we have us a Gracie Vs Luna scenario being hinted at in that "Portend" scene.

Additional wedges can be driven between Gracie and the MC by her discovering the hidden cameras, whether she finds them on her own or with Wilfred's nudging her in their direction just like he did Antonio. Psycho/Sociopaths have fragile egos. Getting outmaneuvered like that just adds more fuel to the antagonistic fire. We already saw just quickly all the affection Gracie has shown for the MC was replaced with cold-blooded apathy the moment she merely suspected he had outplayed her. Imagine her reaction when she gets confirmation that he outplayed her?

Maybe she could respect that. Maybe she'd think she's finally found a man worthy of impregnating her. But she might have to work through some cold-blooded apathy/white hot murder rage before she gets to that point. lol

Don't get me wrong now. There are degrees of psychopathy. Maybe Gracie does have some level of genuine love for Luna and Cordia and the MC(and maybe even isabel) that would keep her from going "too far". But a psychopath's idea of "too far" and your idea of "too far" may not necessarily mesh well.

It could all still come out to a loving reconciliation in the end. Maybe Antonio finally comes out of the closet and the Deluca family's reunited power is enough to force the other families to accept this just as they were forced to accept female leaders. But there's plenty of room for drama and conflict and betrayal on the path leading to such a conclusion.

It's all just speculation and theory, of course. A fun way to pass time between updates. But I think this is a highly plausible scenario given what we already know and what's been hinted and teased so far.
I don't think either of the girls will turn but anything is possible. Gracie might be a little understanding considering she now knows that Antonio has been cheating on Isabel and is bisexual or gay. Obviously it's just an assumption, perhaps a hopeful one that will keep me from being skinned. Antonio might be understanding as well all things considered. The family could use this and they stay married for public perception, and Isabel would have an in house lover to keep her happy.

I actually do like Antonio and wouldn't mind a bit more character developement with him. I don't think he's truly Bisexual at all. I suspect he's gay and using Bisexual as a cope and a cover. Note i'm not one of those jackasses who thinks Bisexual isn't a thing. I just don't think it's Antonio's thing.

If he accepts his true sexuality then he'd probably be okay with MC and Isabel being together. Might even serve as a good cover for him.
I agree don't know if that's the direction Hopes will go, but seems like a possibility.

I could definitely see Wilfred having a decades-long plan for what he thinks the right direction for the family is that he's been subtly steering them along, and at the climax once it's been revealed him angrily ranting that everything was going perfectly to plan before you showed up and ruined everything!
You could be right. He certainly seem to have his own agenda, but is he doing it to cause problems inside the family or is he simply doing what he thinks is best for the family.

Obviously can't wait to see the plot move forward and perhaps get some answers or more likely just some new suspicions.
 
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I really appreciate anyone that took time to read my bad theory. I know, probable im wrong, so any comment ill gladly reading you all. And sorry my bad english hahaha.
I dont want to spoil anyone so ill put hide in spoiler.
Not a bad theory. I feel the same way. It is possible. Truthfully just about anything is possible. It is only limited by Hopes imagination. Which is not limited at all.
 
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Well, the best characters are the ones that you see grow with time, you see them face every problem and learn and then you can develope more empathy to them. For example when Luna tells you her story it, at that point you are really commited to help her or know more about her, because it feels as that trust was build with time and effort.
But yeah, we all want the MC to grow and do more everytime, but if thats made too quickly then it will not be the same. I loved the scenes with every character because this game was not "ch1 you have everyone and they love you".
Yes. The main characters have to start from some where and grow. Unless you want something unrealistic. Granted a lot of stuff in movies, shows, games and characters have unrealistic stuff to them, but character development is a must. Or you will get shit like the Sequel Trilogy of Star Wars.
 
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Not invalid points but i think both are manageable. There's plenty of ways to put a character in a villainous role yet still have them interacting in non-violent ways with other characters. Soap Operas have done that for decades. Also pretty much every CW Show. Granted, CW is trash TV but...this ain't exactly highbrow entertainment. lol

I can even see a few scenarios in my head already for how it could all play out, devolve into open civil war, and still end with everyone happily reconciled and forgiving each other. If we're going with multi-season long story arcs.Especially considering how many years it takes to get just part way through one season. That's plenty of time to do some storycrafting.
You are right. It is possible for Gracie to be an antagonist, but still not stop lewd scenes with MC. Gracie looks at people kind of like possessions. Like everyone in her circle are their for her and her alone(basically). So you really think she will not "play" with her toy(MC)? The thing is though it may be possible for her to be an antagonist, but not a true one. She is not evil and she would never truly turn on those close to her. She is inherently good. She just a sociopath who may not understand how her actions may be perceived by others.
 
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I agree at least about Wilfred. In fact in the scenarios playing out in my head right now Wilfred is a biiiiig catalyst.

Picture this: At this point in the story the MC is either having a full fledged affair with Isabel OR....there's a ton of circumstantial evidence to make it appear so. The end result is the same. There is now a very easy and very powerful way to make Antonio an enemy to the MC.

Gracie seems to have as much affection for Antonio as she does for Luna. Granted I remain unconvinced how much of that is authentic. One of the staples of the high-functioning psychopath/sociopath is the ability to fake emotional connections very convincingly and to "love bomb" the targets of their affection. The people they want to possess. That fits Gracie to a T right now.

So if it is revealed that the MC is having an affair with Isabel(Whether it's true or just being implied through circumstantial evidence) this would immediately move Isabel back onto Gracie's shitlist. The whole reason she was there to begin with is that Gracie thought Isabel was cheating on Antonio.

It would also give Antonio cause to want to kill the MC(separate from whoever else is already trying). So what happens if Antonio goes to kill MC but Cordia...for whatever her mysterious reasons....refuses to allow it? Well we might just have the grounds for a DeLuca civil war right there. It could even be a cold war for a while. They could still be sitting at the dinner table together even as lines are being drawn and sides are being picked.

What if when the time comes Gracie has a choice....Team Cordia where she will forever be refused the chance to join the Family business....or Team Antonio where she will be given free reign. Where she will be free to target Isabel. Where she can finally become the thing Cordia fears most and the thing Wilfred longs to see: The one true worthy heiress to Cordia. At least in Wilfred's mind.

Which would be exactly why Wilfred made sure to point Antonio toward the clues about Isabel. Because he knew it would force a schism and Gracie would choose the side that finally lets her evolve beyond Cordia's rigid control. Because Steel can only be forged in Fire.

With high functioning psycho/sociopaths, the moment they feel like they have lost control over you...the moment they think they no longer possess you...all that love bombing affection they showered you with can turn into cold blooded apathy/white hot murder-rage on a dime. If...in that moment where Gracie chose Team Antonio...Luna even hesitated to join her or outright chose to stand by the MC on Team Cordia well...now we have us a Gracie Vs Luna scenario being hinted at in that "Portend" scene.

Additional wedges can be driven between Gracie and the MC by her discovering the hidden cameras, whether she finds them on her own or with Wilfred's nudging her in their direction just like he did Antonio. Psycho/Sociopaths have fragile egos. Getting outmaneuvered like that just adds more fuel to the antagonistic fire. We already saw just quickly all the affection Gracie has shown for the MC was replaced with cold-blooded apathy the moment she merely suspected he had outplayed her. Imagine her reaction when she gets confirmation that he outplayed her?

Maybe she could respect that. Maybe she'd think she's finally found a man worthy of impregnating her. But she might have to work through some cold-blooded apathy/white hot murder rage before she gets to that point. lol

Don't get me wrong now. There are degrees of psychopathy. Maybe Gracie does have some level of genuine love for Luna and Cordia and the MC(and maybe even isabel) that would keep her from going "too far". But a psychopath's idea of "too far" and your idea of "too far" may not necessarily mesh well.

It could all still come out to a loving reconciliation in the end. Maybe Antonio finally comes out of the closet and the Deluca family's reunited power is enough to force the other families to accept this just as they were forced to accept female leaders. But there's plenty of room for drama and conflict and betrayal on the path leading to such a conclusion.

It's all just speculation and theory, of course. A fun way to pass time between updates. But I think this is a highly plausible scenario given what we already know and what's been hinted and teased so far.
I can't see her becoming a true antagonist. She may not not look it, but she does care what Codia, Luna and MC thinks. Its not an act. She does care for them. She just lacks understanding. She think on a level most people can only dream of, but no matter how great your thinking ability nor the amount of knowledge you have can compete with wisdom. Wisdom is the combination of knowledge and understanding. Without understanding their will always been pitfalls cause of what she calls "Operating on faulty knowledge." It takes understanding to realize that the knowledge you have may not be enough to know the whole picture. When it comes to Antonio he is a true psychopath. As long as he feels betrayed, or held from what he believes is naturally his, there is no turning back. There is no reconcilliation that can be had.
 
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Hits in the mob are always the ones the targets never see coming.
There is always another boss your boss can go to and get a hit on you approved.
There are always contract killers to do the hits.
Most assassins are never made made men because it puts a target to their name.
MC and the others in his ”class” of nobodies are quality cannon fodder one can lose and forget.
Many game tropes revolve around mind gaming your hired help, blackmialing them, molesting them.
Feels like this teddy bear is yet to have adventures being of help to his ”family”.
 
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You could be right. He certainly seem to have his own agenda, but is he doing it to cause problems inside the family or is he simply doing what he thinks is best for the family.
My guess would be that he is loyal to the family, but not any of the members of the family, even Cordia. The family is bigger than any one person, even the boss. If she needs to be replaced for the good of the family, so be it. I suspect that if he wasn't loyal she would have sniffed that out, which would mean that either he is loyal to her or to the family as an abstract. It would make for a more interesting villain than one with purely selfish motives, I'd say.
 
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