Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[whichone]

LOL My point" of what you quoted" was its nonsensical to talk about killing numbers between cold blooded killers and invading someone's privacy with video and audio or just audio.

I never once made a comparison between numbers of victims and invading someone's privacy.
It was a perfectly valid analogy, not a comparison. There is nothing nonsensical about it.
You not being able to see the sense, does not mean that it does not contain any.

I made a comparison between 2 high numbers of murders & the fact that the punishment is the same, regardless.
It doesn't make any difference if they killed 10, or 20.
Both get the death sentence, or both spend the rest of their natural lives in prison.

I made this as an analogy, because it's the same premise. It's just more extreme.
I think you're stuck on comparing audio and video, treat them independently.
Once you've chosen, whichever one you went with, the other is no longer a consideration anyway.
If you chose audio then, to them, there is no video. So there is no "audio is not as bad".
Audio is plenty bad enough in its own right & that's what it will be judged on. Utterly regardless of video being worse.

For a moment, forget all about the existence of video.
Now, take the scenario where you placed the audio and got caught listening in to some private stuff, business or personal.
You're going to get executed, as a result.
Or, disregarding audio, you place video & get caught.
You're going to get executed, as a result.

So the end result is still the same, same as it is for 10, or 20 murders. Hence the analogy.
Which is precisely why I'm saying that the actual choice is a false dilemma anyway, it's inconsequential.
It's Hobson's Choice.

 

[justsum]

Tell me honestly....is it abandonned ? i promise to not be angry...... is it ?

My advice to you is go see Wilfred, bring the best bottle of wine you can and beg for forgiveness. He will inform you that much like this bottle of wine great things take time.

 

[FanOfEcchiSensei]

While I know the game is not abandoned, I do have to admit that I am disappointed in it's progress.

We had the whole "reworking the mission system" thing that took a good part of a year, then we received promises that the next few updates would be regular speed, no long in betweens without update, as is the usual progress Hopes does for the game (big update, few smaller updates, then back to a big update). Right now we should be getting a few smaller updates, meanwhile we are nearing a year again, without an update.

We were told before new year that it would most likely be end of December, or early into the new year. We are well into the 3rd month of the new year and the update isn't even completed yet.

I understand this is a part-time project for Hopes, however I feel like since the release of 0.6.5 (which was June 19th, 2020), the development has gone downhill.

All updates with dates I could find on patreon (Not including translations as they are pretty much completely irrelevant)
0.02 - Sep 9th, 2018
0.03 - Nov 15th, 2018 (2 months, 6 days)
0.04.1 - April 7th, 2019 (4 months, 23 days)
0.05 - Sep 28th, 2019 (5 months, 21 days)
0.06.1 - March 22nd, 2020 (5 months, 23 days)
0.06.5 - June 19th, 2020 (2 months, 28 days)
0.07.2 - April 8th, 2021 (9 months, 20 days)
0.08 - ?? At earliest April 1st, 2022 (1 year+)

Besides the mid-sized update from 0.06.1 to 0.06.5, every update has increased the time it takes. While this can be attributed to higher quality etc as well, I would also assume that overtime, other things would become faster as you become more used to them.

While I enjoy the game, in it's current state I am not willing to pay more than $1 a month to see where it's going (which I am). I'm mainly just curious at this point, whether Hopes just lost motivation to work on the game compared to how they did before, or what has changed that this update in specific takes over twice as long as the largest update before this (not counting the 0.07.2 update which completely reworked the mission system)

 

[justsum]

IMHO this game is one of the best on this site. Granted it's subjective to ones tastes, I have played about 25 or so games on this site and many of them really are great games, but, The Delucia Family is my favorite with some close 2nds right behind. That being said, and I speak for myself, for me long times is OK in between updates.

 

[Thrill'n Flares]

I never once made a comparison between numbers of victims and invading someone's privacy.
It was a perfectly valid analogy, not a comparison. There is nothing nonsensical about it.
You not being able to see the sense, does not mean that it does not contain any.

I made a comparison between 2 high numbers of murders & the fact that the punishment is the same, regardless.
It doesn't make any difference if they killed 10, or 20.
Both get the death sentence, or both spend the rest of their natural lives in prison.

I made this as an analogy, because it's the same premise. It's just more extreme.
I think you're stuck on comparing audio and video, treat them independently.
Once you've chosen, whichever one you went with, the other is no longer a consideration anyway.
If you chose audio then, to them, there is no video. So there is no "audio is not as bad".
Audio is plenty bad enough in its own right & that's what it will be judged on. Utterly regardless of video being worse.

For a moment, forget all about the existence of video.
Now, take the scenario where you placed the audio and got caught listening in to some private stuff, business or personal.
You're going to get executed, as a result.
Or, disregarding audio, you place video & get caught.
You're going to get executed, as a result.

So the end result is still the same, same as it is for 10, or 20 murders. Hence the analogy.
Which is precisely why I'm saying that the actual choice is a false dilemma anyway, it's inconsequential.
It's Hobson's Choice.

First off you are misunderstanding what i was saying. I was simplifying each side. Of course you were giving an analogy.
Second of all its like you did not finish reading what I typed. Analogizing number of kills from two different cold blooded killers and the privacy invasion of video and audio or just audio is illogically dumb. Especially since mass murdering people will get consecutive penalities in a court of law depending on what can be proven in confines of the law. If you really don't understand the difference of actual consequences of the differences of Video, that normallycontains audio, and audio then its like you think video is the exact same thing as audio and video and audio is redundant. The logic you are spouting makes no sense. saying some one who does just video or just audio definitely will get the same "sentence" is disregarding the emotional factor that is normally involved and who is doing the sentencing. Also i feel this debate is useless cause hopes will definitely have consequences the same regardless, if any, cause how the game environment is. LOL

 

[maxxlim]

Tell me honestly....is it abandonned ? i promise to not be angry...... is it ?

Its not "abandoned". It's just probably one update per year with an hour of gameplay.

 

[Thrill'n Flares]

While I know the game is not abandoned, I do have to admit that I am disappointed in it's progress.

We had the whole "reworking the mission system" thing that took a good part of a year, then we received promises that the next few updates would be regular speed, no long in betweens without update, as is the usual progress Hopes does for the game (big update, few smaller updates, then back to a big update). Right now we should be getting a few smaller updates, meanwhile we are nearing a year again, without an update.

We were told before new year that it would most likely be end of December, or early into the new year. We are well into the 3rd month of the new year and the update isn't even completed yet.

I understand this is a part-time project for Hopes, however I feel like since the release of 0.6.5 (which was June 19th, 2020), the development has gone downhill.

All updates with dates I could find on patreon (Not including translations as they are pretty much completely irrelevant)
0.02 - Sep 9th, 2018
0.03 - Nov 15th, 2018 (2 months, 6 days)
0.04.1 - April 7th, 2019 (4 months, 23 days)
0.05 - Sep 28th, 2019 (5 months, 21 days)
0.06.1 - March 22nd, 2020 (5 months, 23 days)
0.06.5 - June 19th, 2020 (2 months, 28 days)
0.07.2 - April 8th, 2021 (9 months, 20 days)
0.08 - ?? At earliest April 1st, 2022 (1 year+)

Besides the mid-sized update from 0.06.1 to 0.06.5, every update has increased the time it takes. While this can be attributed to higher quality etc as well, I would also assume that overtime, other things would become faster as you become more used to them.

While I enjoy the game, in it's current state I am not willing to pay more than $1 a month to see where it's going (which I am). I'm mainly just curious at this point, whether Hopes just lost motivation to work on the game compared to how they did before, or what has changed that this update in specific takes over twice as long as the largest update before this (not counting the 0.07.2 update which completely reworked the mission system)

To a degree i understand your disappointment, but with the fact that gaming development is not his full time job, The fact he has a life outside of game development and work, and he got covid it makes sense that we would get long waits on updates. He is one person not a whole team. There is also the fact that sense i do not know coding at all it makes me not wanna look like a dick and complain about something I have no knowledge about. Hell for all we know there could have been other things happening in his life that we are not privy to. I find its better to be understanding than let dissapointment nor my emotions get the the better of me. Such things take a toll on a person's health. lol

 

[Lorenz1]

A story as long as time, known to every person who ever worked in IT or project management - never, ever, EVER remake your entire product. It is never worth it unless it is a post-completion patch to make it look prettier when all else is done and you are polishing the result.

You are losing temp and speed of the development, you are not creating any new value (only remaking the existing content), and only make it harder to return into the development process after you done remaking it (if you ever are).

Never. Remake. Your. Product. Keep going until it is complete, than think about polishing.

 

[FanOfEcchiSensei]

To a degree i understand your disappointment, but with the fact that gaming development is not his full time job, The fact he has a life outside of game development and work, and he got covid it makes sense that we would get long waits on updates. He is one person not a whole team. There is also the fact that sense i do not know coding at all it makes me not wanna look like a dick and complain about something I have no knowledge about. Hell for all we know there could have been other things happening in his life that we are not privy to. I find its better to be understanding than let dissapointment nor my emotions get the the better of me. Such things take a toll on a person's health. lol

While (as I stated), delays beying inevitable as it is a part time thing, it has ALWAYS been a part time thing. It was also a part time thing while the updates took only 5 months. Covid also doesn't make you unable to work for 6+ months (which is how much longer this update has taken compared to every other not counting the system rework).
This dev post I'm quoting under here, was the devpost of November 5th, where it's stated that, while a release that month was unlikely, they would be extremely disappointed with themselves if the update wasn't out before the new year.
If being extremely disappointed with yourself if the update wasn't out before the new year, how must they feel at this point now the update still isn't out 3 months into the new year.

This only leads me to the conclusion that Hopes has lost motivation to work on the game. Which would be fine, such is life. It would be disappointing if this game didn't end up finished, but at the speed it's going right now, I doubt that will ever be the case. I hope to be proven wrong in the updates after this one.

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Luna Event (Lewd + Story) - 95%
Gracie Event1 (Story) - 100%
Gracie Event2 (Lewd)- 99%
Gracie Event3 (Story + Lewd)- 99%
Gracie Event4 (Story)- 89%
Gracie Event5 (Lewd)- 10%
Story Event (season finale) - 2 %
Misc - 35%

Notice that I added another lewd section (event5) as I felt the ending of Event4 deserved a lewd ending due to how it concluded.

Decent progress overall with all things considered, but with that said release this month release sadly does not seem likely. I simply wouldn't be able to do the things I have in my mind this month. But, I would be extremely disappointed with myself if I wasn't able to release before the new year. I want season 1 to be done before the new year!

 

[Cartageno]

Just one small annotation

Covid also doesn't make you unable to work for 6+ months

This will always depend. Usually it is correct, I know people who worked through it in quarantine via remote work. However, I could also get you in touch with someone who caught it in April 2020, nearly two years ago, and still hasn't recovered well enough to do real work. Probably not the case with Hopes, or he would have told us, but when stated this comprehensively it is an incorrect assumption.

 

[Yoheijin]

Still can't equipt any equipment, event if i forced to edit my save pc_equipment (1/0) : (1), my equipment isn't equiped. Are there another fixed android port?

 

[HopesGaming]

Some quick, nosy, interruptions from my part -

- I have not lost motivation for the game. My mind is still filled with more ideas than there is time for, and there are still plans to jump full time on this.

- I wouldn't say the game has had a 'rework'. It was more an add-on of new gameplay mechanics, with some few redone here and there. Otherwise, the main game hasn't been touched. There was always plans to expand the gameplay part the of the game.

- I've always said that this is a hobby project and the time is due to that. I've made that clear on the front page of my patreon and been very open on that here too.
Of course, that is not optimal for people that like the game and want it out quicker, but until I jump into this full force, it is what it is at the moment.

However, what I have to admit fault to is; keeping my mouth shut about when I feel like I can release the game. I always get optimistic about how work has been done, and I feel like I got a timeframe. But due to a combination of underestimating the work, real life stuff, work hours, and deciding to change/add content - it takes way longer.
Should just shut my mouth until I've given it to the beta testers!
Worst part is that I always say this, but I keep giving personal estimation anyway. Maybe it is a sickness in my brain. But no more! My mouth is shut!

Btw, I feel like the game should be done before this month is over. That is where I will give it to the beta testers that is.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Some quick, nosy, interruptions from my part -

- I have not lost motivation for the game. My mind is still filled with more ideas than there is time for, and there are still plans to jump full time on this.

- I wouldn't say the game has had a 'rework'. It was more an add-on of new gameplay mechanics, with some few redone here and there. Otherwise, the main game hasn't been touched. There was always plans to expand the gameplay part the of the game.

- I've always said that this is a hobby project and the time is due to that. I've made that clear on the front page of my patreon and been very open on that here too.
Of course, that is not optimal for people that like the game and want it out quicker, but until I jump into this full force, it is what it is at the moment.

However, what I have to admit fault to is; keeping my mouth shut about when I feel like I can release the game. I always get optimistic about how work has been done, and I feel like I got a timeframe. But due to a combination of underestimating the work, real life stuff, work hours, and deciding to change/add content - it takes way longer.
Should just shut my mouth until I've given it to the beta testers!
Worst part is that I always say this, but I keep giving personal estimation anyway. Maybe it is a sickness in my brain. But no more! My mouth is shut!

Btw, I feel like the game should be done before this month is over. That is where I will give it to the beta testers that is.

master I have been training as you commanded when are you going to let

me kill the redhead

no one touches

Luna no one

 

[Boehser Onkel]

master I have been training as you commanded when are you going to let

me kill the redhead

no one touches

Luna no one

you wanted to say
capo di tutti i capi - I have been training as you commanded ...

right?

 

[FanOfEcchiSensei]

However, I could also get you in touch with someone who caught it in April 2020, nearly two years ago, and still hasn't recovered well enough to do real work.

There's always outliers. People also say "smoking kills" as a fact, but my grandma smoked for 80 something years and still made it to 97. It's more of a generalisation that, well over 98% of people are not out of work for 6+ months. And while (very rarely) possible, odds are that they are not.

 

[Cabin Fever]

However, what I have to admit fault to is; keeping my mouth shut about when I feel like I can release the game. I always get optimistic about how work has been done, and I feel like I got a timeframe. But due to a combination of underestimating the work, real life stuff, work hours, and deciding to change/add content - it takes way longer.

It's human nature to underestimate the task at hand. While we are all disappointed it's not out already, such is life. It's only a game, and an AVN at that. Don't feel too bad about it. Anyone who gets upset over such things on F95 really needs to get a life.

Should just shut my mouth until I've given it to the beta testers!
Worst part is that I always say this, but I keep giving personal estimation anyway. Maybe it is a sickness in my brain. But no more! My mouth is shut!

Let's see if it's really a lesson learned...

Btw, I feel like the game should be done before this month is over. That is where I will give it to the beta testers that is.

D'oh! That lasted not even 10 seconds.

 

[Sancho1969]

A story as long as time, known to every person who ever worked in IT or project management - never, ever, EVER remake your entire product. It is never worth it unless it is a post-completion patch to make it look prettier when all else is done and you are polishing the result.

You are losing temp and speed of the development, you are not creating any new value (only remaking the existing content), and only make it harder to return into the development process after you done remaking it (if you ever are).

Never. Remake. Your. Product. Keep going until it is complete, than think about polishing.

Meh, this is quite case dependent imho. Considering I've modded more titles than I care to admit where the dev SHOULD halt all new progress and completely overhaul their code (sometimes I actually do it for them). This is because many of these devs start their project knowing little to nothing about RenPy and/or Python, usually "borrowing" code snippets from their favorite works here and there creating a complete mess, or they don't plan out their entire story plot before initiating it (winging it as they go, unsure or undecided of an ending). For lack of a better metaphor this early in the morning, it's much like cooking a fine dinner... if you fuck up grilling the ribeyes don't start baking the damn pie for dessert yet, get some new steaks and knock them out proper, get your ass back on track of the original plan and then proceed.

The bottom line is that project organization and execution doesn't have just ONE proven recipe as there will certainly be speedbumps along the way that SHOULD be addressed when met, not delayed or otherwise "skipped/bandaid/hacked" to temporarily resolve until "I can get back to them later"... later (in these cases) rarely comes. If every project was done exactly as you suggest then we'd have nothing but CallOfDooty-esque polished turds.

This is all subject to opinion of course so you do you. Your opinion is not invalid, but neither is mine... what I DO know is how to successfully plan, initiate, execute, and complete a project as polished diamond and not simply a perfumed hog waiting to become delicious bacon at some unknown date in the future. Regards.

Edit note - My comment above is about projects in general, and not necessarily anything to do with this VN. Regards.

 

[Desoba]

Some quick, nosy, interruptions from my part -

- I have not lost motivation for the game. My mind is still filled with more ideas than there is time for, and there are still plans to jump full time on this.

- I wouldn't say the game has had a 'rework'. It was more an add-on of new gameplay mechanics, with some few redone here and there. Otherwise, the main game hasn't been touched. There was always plans to expand the gameplay part the of the game.

- I've always said that this is a hobby project and the time is due to that. I've made that clear on the front page of my patreon and been very open on that here too.
Of course, that is not optimal for people that like the game and want it out quicker, but until I jump into this full force, it is what it is at the moment.

However, what I have to admit fault to is; keeping my mouth shut about when I feel like I can release the game. I always get optimistic about how work has been done, and I feel like I got a timeframe. But due to a combination of underestimating the work, real life stuff, work hours, and deciding to change/add content - it takes way longer.
Should just shut my mouth until I've given it to the beta testers!
Worst part is that I always say this, but I keep giving personal estimation anyway. Maybe it is a sickness in my brain. But no more! My mouth is shut!

Btw, I feel like the game should be done before this month is over. That is where I will give it to the beta testers that is.

Hello Hopes, I am no one. Like literally, I am neither a supporter nor knight for this game in this forum. Most I can be is "admirer" I admire your work of art first of all. Story nice visuals nice. Everything is screaming "I am unique piece"

Reason I'm writing this is, you mentioned sickness. Sickness of giving optimistic dates etc. I am experiencing same with my social life too. I am telling , to myself in the first place, Im gonna pass this classes this semester. Yet I'm still in my 9th year at this university. Pog. And this semester It's really gonna happen and Im gonna get that piece of paper. I'm coming to the main topic now.

I know you want best, and I hope you get what you want at the end. I read your reply in fear to stumble upon "I'm losing my motivation" thankfully you did not. Keep working that ass off, not for us man, do it for yourself. After all this ended everybody can f*ck off, but you will carry this work with you all of your life.

Before closing my letter, Im not the only one! there is bunch of weirdos here thinking the same.
Will be waiting for good news
Cheers.

 

[Rovenant]

Some quick, nosy, interruptions from my part -

- I have not lost motivation for the game. My mind is still filled with more ideas than there is time for, and there are still plans to jump full time on this.

- I wouldn't say the game has had a 'rework'. It was more an add-on of new gameplay mechanics, with some few redone here and there. Otherwise, the main game hasn't been touched. There was always plans to expand the gameplay part the of the game.

- I've always said that this is a hobby project and the time is due to that. I've made that clear on the front page of my patreon and been very open on that here too.
Of course, that is not optimal for people that like the game and want it out quicker, but until I jump into this full force, it is what it is at the moment.

However, what I have to admit fault to is; keeping my mouth shut about when I feel like I can release the game. I always get optimistic about how work has been done, and I feel like I got a timeframe. But due to a combination of underestimating the work, real life stuff, work hours, and deciding to change/add content - it takes way longer.
Should just shut my mouth until I've given it to the beta testers!
Worst part is that I always say this, but I keep giving personal estimation anyway. Maybe it is a sickness in my brain. But no more! My mouth is shut!

Btw, I feel like the game should be done before this month is over. That is where I will give it to the beta testers that is.

I found F95 and this kind of VN when the pandemic started, and it really blowed up my mind the high quality of games that you all are making here. This VN particularly its one of the five best VN i found here, so i wanted to say thank you for all your hard work. Your hobby made me happy in this darker times, so thanks for sharing your talent with us

 

[whitewolf11111]

Just for clarification regarding the food poisoning event with the MC.

- Everyone was pretty surprised when Cordia invited the MC to sit with them since they didn't expect him to be invited with the table. So what's with the poison? was the original target really the MC? or was it accidental and the target was someone else? Since everyone was pretty surprised that He was invited, wouldn't it cross out the main family from being the suspect since they have no knowledge beforehand of Cordia wanting to invite the MC? or did the perpetrator predicted Cordia's action?

or is there a significant amount of time from the invitation to the dinner table where those who would target the MC could be notified by a traitor and immediately prepare the poison to be specifically given to the MC?