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These are awesome! thanks for sharing. I especially like the bottom ones of Isabel and Eiza
 

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Then maybe read up how Patreon works. You're not paying for anything except to support an artist in his works. You have no claim or right to get anything in return for your patronage. So no, you have no "right" to complain about update times. Can't believe this still has to explained........
There's a lot of things wrong with this. What you defined is something called as charity. Where you just pay to support someone or some cause.

While there is an aspect of support in Patreon, there is an equal aspect of business. The only difference is that this transaction is done in good faith between the content creator and the subscriber. The content creator is solely in control of the terms here though.
Let's take the example of Hopes . There is a 30$ tier where this is what is promised,
  • Access to all kinds of unique art and unused content which got cut from the game
So say I am part of this tier for the last year, do you think I have the right the ask the creator to deliver this? Assuming that the creator has not delivered any such unique art, do I have a right for a refund for 12 months in this case? One can say, you can just unsubscribe but as a subscriber you are completely at the mercy of the content creator to deliver on the promises of the tier and the subscriber cannot do anything except to keep waiting.

Many content creators have taken advantage of this very fact and milking subscribers without delivering. Delaying content for months and even years in some cases.

The reason we cannot apply this to Hopes here is that he has been pretty up front with his communication. But saying that a subscriber on Patreon has no right to complain is heading down a dangerous path.
 

HopesGaming

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Woah those look amazing! Nice job on em! Is it a photoshop filter? If it is - don't say it. But make a game. I think people would be interested in a game with that art heh.

What about Antonio's club that he goes to? MC has the option to help Isebella. Just a thought.
It will be an exterior place made for the story if needed. Not a lot of thought will go through making it tho.

I am not sure if you are aware or maybe even you yourself have played around with blender. There are tons of "free 3D assets" (royalty free) or even paid ones which can be loaded into blender and converted to be used in Daz. Textures/polygons adjusted etc. so if you are looking for something specific that might be a way to go. Also mentioning this cause of the "other locations" backdrops/cities/villages could be made in blender ( or even found ) and used in Daz. Unfortunately the Daz shop is quite limited in what is available and I imagine you end up spending a lot of time using specific objects from different resources to combine them into a "scene" you like.. Might be worth looking into anyways..
As long as it is obj format I can add it into daz and simply use shaders if the object is pieced well enough together.
But really need to find something that hits all paremeters. Problem is that I have to pay for it first before I know if it is usuable. Haven't looked too deep in converting from blender to daz tho. Maybe that will help.

Yeah, that always seemed off to me. Especially the German language signs. Thus I placed Lucania someplace in Southern Tyrole in my headcanon, I think I mentioned it a few times. So in principle I like the idea of "relocating" it.

However: are you sure a redo of the city scenes is worth it? I mean, if it is to you then it is. But I assume you want to move forward as well.
So far there is only one real major use of the town and that is with the Gracie event. All scenes are saved so what I basically have to do is to remove the city and merge in the new town. Will mostly take a day to do the whole thing as the hardest part of scene making is done. Just a bit tedious perhaps but nothing too serious.


With all the past statements regarding the "Coder" at times I've come to wonder...

How many lines of code is the game at right now :unsure::unsure::unsure:
There is less code. He is optimizing and improving the code.

So, going first and stealing JJJ84 jobs.:ROFLMAO:

Only "truely" historical Italian city set I found (simple searched not deeply) is the one of Venice ( ).
But as it is Venice it has all the water channel and boats and I don't think that what Luciana look like.

Then, the one from Rovenant, as well as any others have the same issue the languange is the "false" one. As Cartageno has written other language than Italian could be explain as they are either regional official language (German, Ladin, French or Slovenian), thus could be also used without the need for a lot of explanation.

Sadly Daz store seems to have very limited asset in this category and I agree with Rovenant, that the Old Victorian Street look quite nice, but the signs are in English.

One other question that, I think, is vital, does the set have all the building blocks hopes need for his city. A too hard change in style is, I think, worse than a "false" language for another "perfect" city.
I found to French town set, where I think the second one looks better.

I've done my best to never mention any countries to create the effect of a separate universe. Even though it is heavily emphasized that it is Italy based. So having english signs shouldn't be too off-putting. With that said. I can change any signs with some photoshop work easily. That's how I get the deluca signs on everything


Is this abandoned yet?
Yes it is. You should call the staff members of the forum to mark this game as abandoned.

Not abandoned, no, but it's been in the longest Q&A phase i've seen for a VN by far.

If youre not a release-month only patron baited nearly 2x over by the "Coming soon--game is done but not done," posts youre better off checking at months-end only rather than weekly or whatever your current frequency is.

Setting yourself up for disappointment otherwise.
And you have seen a lot to this game, that is for sure. Even though you have said multiple times you dislike the game and even try to persuade others not to play the game - you're still around and always post.
I'm starting to think you're actually the biggest fan of the game, but just don't want others to play it to have it all for yourself.

but its not like he is lying? It's been over a year since the last update, so he has the right to whine if he is a patreon
That's not really how it works. I've received many people who wrote to me that they suspense the patronage due to the time (or other things) and may or may not patron again once the update gets delivered faster again. And I've always said I understood and respected their decision.
That is how it works on patron. If they dislike something, they stop supporting. Not going here to talk about it. That would just be silly.

There's a lot of things wrong with this. What you defined is something called as charity. Where you just pay to support someone or some cause.

While there is an aspect of support in Patreon, there is an equal aspect of business. The only difference is that this transaction is done in good faith between the content creator and the subscriber. The content creator is solely in control of the terms here though.
Let's take the example of Hopes . There is a 30$ tier where this is what is promised,
  • Access to all kinds of unique art and unused content which got cut from the game
So say I am part of this tier for the last year, do you think I have the right the ask the creator to deliver this? Assuming that the creator has not delivered any such unique art, do I have a right for a refund for 12 months in this case? One can say, you can just unsubscribe but as a subscriber you are completely at the mercy of the content creator to deliver on the promises of the tier and the subscriber cannot do anything except to keep waiting.

Many content creators have taken advantage of this very fact and milking subscribers without delivering. Delaying content for months and even years in some cases.

The reason we cannot apply this to Hopes here is that he has been pretty up front with his communication. But saying that a subscriber on Patreon has no right to complain is heading down a dangerous path.
There is a link to a folder that gives access to a folder containing the unused content.
But that is nitpicking from my side. I do see your main point that patrons have the right to know what is going on.
But as I've written just above. Patrons usually write to me personally and show any disapprovement with their patronage status. Again, patrons aren't mindless robots. They usually make up what they are willing to support and what they are not.
The only time that is not a factor is when some devs lie to the patrons saying all kinds of false promises. But my goal has always to be, as you said, up front and let people know what is going on. And if that means they stop supporting, I always respect that. As long as I know that, I've been honest with them.

People who write here are rarely patrons, but non patrons of the game that are not happy with something. Many are just lashing out due to frustration.
 

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There's a lot of things wrong with this. What you defined is something called as charity. Where you just pay to support someone or some cause.

While there is an aspect of support in Patreon, there is an equal aspect of business. The only difference is that this transaction is done in good faith between the content creator and the subscriber. The content creator is solely in control of the terms here though.
Let's take the example of Hopes . There is a 30$ tier where this is what is promised,
  • Access to all kinds of unique art and unused content which got cut from the game
So say I am part of this tier for the last year, do you think I have the right the ask the creator to deliver this? Assuming that the creator has not delivered any such unique art, do I have a right for a refund for 12 months in this case? One can say, you can just unsubscribe but as a subscriber you are completely at the mercy of the content creator to deliver on the promises of the tier and the subscriber cannot do anything except to keep waiting.

Many content creators have taken advantage of this very fact and milking subscribers without delivering. Delaying content for months and even years in some cases.

The reason we cannot apply this to Hopes here is that he has been pretty up front with his communication. But saying that a subscriber on Patreon has no right to complain is heading down a dangerous path.
You have the right to any such content Hopes created. You do not have the right to demand a certain amount or a certain timeframe for that - as you correctly stated those terms are set by the creator. If in doubt, ask before subbing. As with any business you have to gather all data you need for your decision before doing it, any wrong assumptions on somebody's part about pecularities are not part of a contract you enter. Here you can probably argue that - with this tier existing - this stuff must exist in general.

But as for "charity" - if you read the "Mission and Vision" of patreon (I don't know which overused synergetic proactive paradigm of a buzzword they actually use - maybe it's "Our Philosophy" or something like that) you'll see that it is more or less exactly that. Founded so that creators can go on creating without having to deliver anything tangible and you - as a man of culture and supporter of the arts - help them doing that. Thus the name. (Nevermind that it helps Patreon since it takes away the responsibility to actually check what's going on with their projects ...)

Yes, there are certain limits to what an artist can do (as I said: "you get all access to tapes from my recording sessions" is probably only feasible if such tapes exist), but again as you state, if the artist communicates clearly and correctly what they are doing and answers possible questions truthfully, you can still complain (everybody can complain about everything, freedom of speech and such stuff) but you would be wrong. But, for the record, in this thread I am talking about this game, its dev and his behavior.
 
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JJJ84

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You have the right to any such content Hopes created. You do not have the right to demand a certain amount or a certain timeframe for that - as you correctly stated those terms are set by the creator. If in doubt, ask before subbing. As with any business you have to gather all data you need for your decision before doing it, any wrong assumptions on somebody's part about pecularities are not part of a contract you enter. Here you can probably argue that - with this tier existing - this stuff must exist in general.

But as for "charity" - if you read the "Mission and Vision" of patreon (I don't know which overused synergetic proactive paradigm of a buzzword they actually use - maybe it's "Our Philosophy" or something like that) you'll see that it is more or less exactly that. Founded so that creators can go on creating without having to deliver anything tangible and you - as a man of culture and supporter of the arts - help them doing that. Thus the name. (Nevermind that it helps Patreon since it takes away the responsibility to actually check what's going on with their projects ...)

Yes, there are certain limits to what an artist can do (as I said: "you get all access to tapes from my recording sessions" is probably only feasible if such tapes exist), but again as you state, if the artist communicates clearly and correctly what they are doing and answers possible questions truthfully, you can still complain (everybody can complain about everything, freedom of speech and such stuff) but you would be wrong. But, for the record, in this thread I am talking about this game, its dev and his behavior.
More often than not, people just forget where the term Patreon originated from.
Requoting my old post just to give refresher to those who have no idea:

lol seems like you're basically misunderstanding the whole point of Patreon itself.

The platform is a modern take on the classic concept of "patronage."
Historically, artists such as painters, musicians, and authors sometimes relied on wealthy donors' patronage to finance their work.
Patreon takes that core concept and enables a much larger audience to finance artists and content creators they like at affordable monthly rates.

So basically, what patrons did before and still doing are making an investment in the content creator (HopesGaming in this case). They like Hopes' work and (those who can and decides to) wish to support him by giving him virtual tips like Alt_F4 said above.

It's not a "I gave you X, so you must give me Y" transaction as you are implying.
Though I guess there will always be those who whine and complain on and on lol.


I hope Hope's won't be mad about someone using his already remarkable job on rendering.

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You know what?
I'd love to see some of our lady soldiers too (Amita, Amata, Onorina, Caterina etc etc) in this artstyle haha.
 

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this is gold thx man
 

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As long as it is obj format I can add it into daz and simply use shaders if the object is pieced well enough together.
But really need to find something that hits all paremeters. Problem is that I have to pay for it first before I know if it is usuable. Haven't looked too deep in converting from blender to daz tho. Maybe that will help.
Blender can export to obj or fbx, obviously, as well as having a Daz pipeline. Odds are pretty good that a large number of the assets on the Daz stores were made in Blender, it's the choice for people who don't want to pay for something like Max or Maya.
 
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I replayed the game and took a lot of notes, so I wanted to write this to share facts an theories with you all. As always, if my english is too bad, sorry for that.

First of all lets number our misteries so far (at least the ones i think are more important):
1- All the Contract situation.
2- Who you really are, and who your family were/are.
3- Who is behind the assassination atempts (againts you).

Then we have other misteries regarding the girls and other characters that may or may not be related to the ones that I wrote before or depend on the characters and were not initially related to you such us:
4- The Mysterous 6.
5- The Forrest.
etc


1) What we know about the contract is very little. So far I dont think we have enough amount of info to build a case, we just know we needed the Law Book (and they were obliged to give it to us) but Luna burned it and we need to wait for a new copy.

2) About the reason why we are that important:
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3) What about the assassination atempts? Maybe they are not all connected to the same cause or enemy, because some of them can be related to how this Mafia world works.
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4) Related to M6:
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5) Related to The Forrest we only know that Luna said it was the scariest day of her life. That some people think that Gracie started to change. And Gracie cant remember anything.


Some theories/ideas:
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Sorry if it was too long to read. Or boring. I tried to keep it short (yeah, this VN is amazing and that makes really hard to be brief.
 

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I really loved what you did. If you can try to make one when Luna face is uncovered (she does it after the 'Test' of trust).
She has such an lovely face, and i really love her expressions.
Thanks, bro. I already did some, but I had a little problem. This fuckin' thing that I'm using doesn't recognize freckles (yes freckles goddamit! :ROFLMAO:) and mess up with the faces from Luna and Cordia if I don't use some resources. :cautious:
 
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JJJ84

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I replayed the game and took a lot of notes, so I wanted to write this to share facts an theories with you all. As always, if my english is too bad, sorry for that.

First of all lets number our misteries so far (at least the ones i think are more important):
1- All the Contract situation.
2- Who you really are, and who your family were/are.
3- Who is behind the assassination atempts (againts you).

Then we have other misteries regarding the girls and other characters that may or may not be related to the ones that I wrote before or depend on the characters and were not initially related to you such us:
4- The Mysterous 6.
5- The Forrest.
etc


1) What we know about the contract is very little. So far I dont think we have enough amount of info to build a case, we just know we needed the Law Book (and they were obliged to give it to us) but Luna burned it and we need to wait for a new copy.

2) About the reason why we are that important:
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3) What about the assassination atempts? Maybe they are not all connected to the same cause or enemy, because some of them can be related to how this Mafia world works.
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4) Related to M6:
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5) Related to The Forrest we only know that Luna said it was the scariest day of her life. That some people think that Gracie started to change. And Gracie cant remember anything.


Some theories/ideas:
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Sorry if it was too long to read. Or boring. I tried to keep it short (yeah, this VN is amazing and that makes really hard to be brief.
The thing is with the whole "Whodunit" in terms of the mole, majority of fans have speculated it's either Wilfred or Antonio.
Personally though, I'm hoping it's someone else.

Both Wilfred and Antonio just seem to be too obvious choices (no offense to pick predicting them, but they are for me), and my personal hope is that it's someone unexpected by most people.


With Dante being "Serpent" hmmm....... the shoe does seem to fit well for him, so honestly? Wouldn't be surprised even if that ended up being the case.
Though, there's one thing that nags on my mind:

If "Serpent" = Dante,
- Why did Dante not end up with the Carnefice Family, the Family which his mentor is the Don and end up with the DeLucas?

A lot to ponder I guess. :unsure:
 

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If "Serpent" = Dante,
- Why did Dante not end up with the Carnefice Family, the Family which his mentor is the Don and end up with the DeLucas?

A lot to ponder I guess. :unsure:
Well, if I recall correctly, it's not clear which happened first - the demise of the Carnefice family, or Serpent joining the DeLuca family. So it's entirely possible for Dante to join the DeLuca family and use the alias Serpent after the Carnefice family was wiped out by the Ombra family. The fact that Serpent is always hiding his face could very well mean he had a secret past.
 

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Well, if I recall correctly, it's not clear which happened first - the demise of the Carnefice family, or Serpent joining the DeLuca family. So it's entirely possible for Dante to join the DeLuca family and use the alias Serpent after the Carnefice family was wiped out by the Ombra family. The fact that Serpent is always hiding his face could very well mean he had a secret past.
That would depend on how long the current second iteration of Serpents have been active for, and when the events of "The Devil's Shadow" (extinction of Carnefice Family by Ombras) took place.

Cause iirc, while it's not specifically stated how long the current Serpents have been active for, it's been sort of implied (by other characters, like Giocabbe, Luca, Gracie etc) that they have been for quite a while, enough to make their fame be a legendary status (not sure they were actively during "The Big War" or not, but even so definitely a long time).

So "Serpent" joining DeLuca after Carnefice Family's demise I think it doesn't really fit well, because he only became "Serpent" after joining DeLucas (I mean can't be one of the Serpents when he's still affiliated with Carnefice Family, no matter how much friendly terms the Family is with DeLucas).

And also, such scenario would mean Carnefice Family met its demise a long time ago before "Serpent" even started to get known as one of 4 Serpents. That's a really long time for Eiza to be under the chains of Ombra Family (and also long time for her sister Fina to be captive).
The 2 girls going through hardships for long period like that, if that was the case, I must admit it would make me sad. :cry:


My theory is, if Dante = "Serpent", then when he was young he first began as a student under Efrem learning the mastery of stealth and assassination.
Wilfred found out about Dante, and being in feud with Efrem, tried to lure Efrem's student away from him but failed.

Dante studied under Efrem, and became a master in assassination arts but eventually had a falling out with Efrem and sometime later, ended up with DeLucas (for unknown reasons which will be revealed later).
He became infamous as "Serpent" of the new 4 Serpents.
But years later, him, Cordia and Wilfred were too late too stop the Family's demise with Efrem perishing in "The Devil's Shadow."
Eventually he is able to pay his debt to his former mentor by being the commander in charge of Ombra mission, and his able to save his mentor's daughter with MC's help.

Things may or may not play out like above, but that's my theory (with assumption that it hasn't been that long time since events of The Devil's Shadow till MC's Ombra mission).
 
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Well, if I recall correctly, it's not clear which happened first - the demise of the Carnefice family, or Serpent joining the DeLuca family. So it's entirely possible for Dante to join the DeLuca family and use the alias Serpent after the Carnefice family was wiped out by the Ombra family. The fact that Serpent is always hiding his face could very well mean he had a secret past.
Well I always thought he's(serpent) the ex fiance of MC's mother
 
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