Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[Cartageno]

There's a lot of things wrong with this. What you defined is something called as charity. Where you just pay to support someone or some cause.

While there is an aspect of support in Patreon, there is an equal aspect of business. The only difference is that this transaction is done in good faith between the content creator and the subscriber. The content creator is solely in control of the terms here though.
Let's take the example of Hopes . There is a 30$ tier where this is what is promised,

• Access to all kinds of unique art and unused content which got cut from the game

So say I am part of this tier for the last year, do you think I have the right the ask the creator to deliver this? Assuming that the creator has not delivered any such unique art, do I have a right for a refund for 12 months in this case? One can say, you can just unsubscribe but as a subscriber you are completely at the mercy of the content creator to deliver on the promises of the tier and the subscriber cannot do anything except to keep waiting.

Many content creators have taken advantage of this very fact and milking subscribers without delivering. Delaying content for months and even years in some cases.

The reason we cannot apply this to Hopes here is that he has been pretty up front with his communication. But saying that a subscriber on Patreon has no right to complain is heading down a dangerous path.

You have the right to any such content Hopes created. You do not have the right to demand a certain amount or a certain timeframe for that - as you correctly stated those terms are set by the creator. If in doubt, ask before subbing. As with any business you have to gather all data you need for your decision before doing it, any wrong assumptions on somebody's part about pecularities are not part of a contract you enter. Here you can probably argue that - with this tier existing - this stuff must exist in general.

But as for "charity" - if you read the "Mission and Vision" of patreon (I don't know which overused synergetic proactive paradigm of a buzzword they actually use - maybe it's "Our Philosophy" or something like that) you'll see that it is more or less exactly that. Founded so that creators can go on creating without having to deliver anything tangible and you - as a man of culture and supporter of the arts - help them doing that. Thus the name. (Nevermind that it helps Patreon since it takes away the responsibility to actually check what's going on with their projects ...)

Yes, there are certain limits to what an artist can do (as I said: "you get all access to tapes from my recording sessions" is probably only feasible if such tapes exist), but again as you state, if the artist communicates clearly and correctly what they are doing and answers possible questions truthfully, you can still complain (everybody can complain about everything, freedom of speech and such stuff) but you would be wrong. But, for the record, in this thread I am talking about this game, its dev and his behavior.

 

[JJJ84]

You have the right to any such content Hopes created. You do not have the right to demand a certain amount or a certain timeframe for that - as you correctly stated those terms are set by the creator. If in doubt, ask before subbing. As with any business you have to gather all data you need for your decision before doing it, any wrong assumptions on somebody's part about pecularities are not part of a contract you enter. Here you can probably argue that - with this tier existing - this stuff must exist in general.

But as for "charity" - if you read the "Mission and Vision" of patreon (I don't know which overused synergetic proactive paradigm of a buzzword they actually use - maybe it's "Our Philosophy" or something like that) you'll see that it is more or less exactly that. Founded so that creators can go on creating without having to deliver anything tangible and you - as a man of culture and supporter of the arts - help them doing that. Thus the name. (Nevermind that it helps Patreon since it takes away the responsibility to actually check what's going on with their projects ...)

Yes, there are certain limits to what an artist can do (as I said: "you get all access to tapes from my recording sessions" is probably only feasible if such tapes exist), but again as you state, if the artist communicates clearly and correctly what they are doing and answers possible questions truthfully, you can still complain (everybody can complain about everything, freedom of speech and such stuff) but you would be wrong. But, for the record, in this thread I am talking about this game, its dev and his behavior.

More often than not, people just forget where the term Patreon originated from.
Requoting my old post just to give refresher to those who have no idea:

lol seems like you're basically misunderstanding the whole point of Patreon itself.

The platform is a modern take on the classic concept of "patronage."
Historically, artists such as painters, musicians, and authors sometimes relied on wealthy donors' patronage to finance their work.
Patreon takes that core concept and enables a much larger audience to finance artists and content creators they like at affordable monthly rates.

So basically, what patrons did before and still doing are making an investment in the content creator (HopesGaming in this case). They like Hopes' work and (those who can and decides to) wish to support him by giving him virtual tips like Alt_F4 said above.

It's not a "I gave you X, so you must give me Y" transaction as you are implying.

Though I guess there will always be those who whine and complain on and on lol.

I hope Hope's won't be mad about someone using his already remarkable job on rendering.

Spoiler: The 'teasing queen'

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You know what?
I'd love to see some of our lady soldiers too (Amita, Amata, Onorina, Caterina etc etc) in this artstyle haha.

 

[Bloodxdd]

Delucas (and others) on screen

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Current resolution: 1080 px W x 1920 px H

Spoiler: MC + Luna

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Spoiler: Cordia Deluca

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Spoiler: Wilfred, Wil-fred, Uncle, Uncle Wilfred, Serpent Wilfred, Uncle Serpent Wilfred, Uncle Serpent, The Consigliere, The MAN, leader of Wilfred's Division, Mastermind of Delucas, The Richelieu of Delucas, The Ultimate Criminal Mastermind,

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Spoiler: Luna Deluca

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Spoiler: Gracie Deluca

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Spoiler: Isabel Deluca

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Spoiler: Eiza Carnefice

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Spoiler: Bonus stage

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this is gold thx man

 

[Rovenant]

I just can't get enough of her!

Spoiler: Ice cream, Love and killed brotha's

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I really loved what you did. If you can try to make one when Luna face is uncovered (she does it after the 'Test' of trust).
She has such an lovely face, and i really love her expressions.

 

[Master of Puppets]

As long as it is obj format I can add it into daz and simply use shaders if the object is pieced well enough together.
But really need to find something that hits all paremeters. Problem is that I have to pay for it first before I know if it is usuable. Haven't looked too deep in converting from blender to daz tho. Maybe that will help.

Blender can export to obj or fbx, obviously, as well as having a Daz pipeline. Odds are pretty good that a large number of the assets on the Daz stores were made in Blender, it's the choice for people who don't want to pay for something like Max or Maya.

 

[Rovenant]

I replayed the game and took a lot of notes, so I wanted to write this to share facts an theories with you all. As always, if my english is too bad, sorry for that.

First of all lets number our misteries so far (at least the ones i think are more important):
1- All the Contract situation.
2- Who you really are, and who your family were/are.
3- Who is behind the assassination atempts (againts you).

Then we have other misteries regarding the girls and other characters that may or may not be related to the ones that I wrote before or depend on the characters and were not initially related to you such us:
4- The Mysterous 6.
5- The Forrest.
etc


1) What we know about the contract is very little. So far I dont think we have enough amount of info to build a case, we just know we needed the Law Book (and they were obliged to give it to us) but Luna burned it and we need to wait for a new copy.

2) About the reason why we are that important:

Spoiler

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About your family:

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3) What about the assassination atempts? Maybe they are not all connected to the same cause or enemy, because some of them can be related to how this Mafia world works.

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4) Related to M6:

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5) Related to The Forrest we only know that Luna said it was the scariest day of her life. That some people think that Gracie started to change. And Gracie cant remember anything.


Some theories/ideas:

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Sorry if it was too long to read. Or boring. I tried to keep it short (yeah, this VN is amazing and that makes really hard to be brief.

 

[Paco Loco]

You know what?
I'd love to see some of our lady soldiers too (Amita, Amata, Onorina, Caterina etc etc) in this artstyle haha.

So,

Amita, Amata, Caterina, ET CETERA?? Really? Oh boy

Hmmmm, let me see...

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[Paco Loco]

I really loved what you did. If you can try to make one when Luna face is uncovered (she does it after the 'Test' of trust).
She has such an lovely face, and i really love her expressions.

Thanks, bro. I already did some, but I had a little problem. This fuckin' thing that I'm using doesn't recognize freckles (yes freckles goddamit! ) and mess up with the faces from Luna and Cordia if I don't use some resources.

 

[JJJ84]

I replayed the game and took a lot of notes, so I wanted to write this to share facts an theories with you all. As always, if my english is too bad, sorry for that.

First of all lets number our misteries so far (at least the ones i think are more important):
1- All the Contract situation.
2- Who you really are, and who your family were/are.
3- Who is behind the assassination atempts (againts you).

Then we have other misteries regarding the girls and other characters that may or may not be related to the ones that I wrote before or depend on the characters and were not initially related to you such us:
4- The Mysterous 6.
5- The Forrest.
etc


1) What we know about the contract is very little. So far I dont think we have enough amount of info to build a case, we just know we needed the Law Book (and they were obliged to give it to us) but Luna burned it and we need to wait for a new copy.

2) About the reason why we are that important:

Spoiler

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About your family:

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3) What about the assassination atempts? Maybe they are not all connected to the same cause or enemy, because some of them can be related to how this Mafia world works.

Spoiler

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4) Related to M6:

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5) Related to The Forrest we only know that Luna said it was the scariest day of her life. That some people think that Gracie started to change. And Gracie cant remember anything.


Some theories/ideas:

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Sorry if it was too long to read. Or boring. I tried to keep it short (yeah, this VN is amazing and that makes really hard to be brief.

The thing is with the whole "Whodunit" in terms of the mole, majority of fans have speculated it's either Wilfred or Antonio.
Personally though, I'm hoping it's someone else.

Both Wilfred and Antonio just seem to be too obvious choices (no offense to pick predicting them, but they are for me), and my personal hope is that it's someone unexpected by most people.


With Dante being "Serpent" hmmm....... the shoe does seem to fit well for him, so honestly? Wouldn't be surprised even if that ended up being the case.
Though, there's one thing that nags on my mind:

If "Serpent" = Dante,
- Why did Dante not end up with the Carnefice Family, the Family which his mentor is the Don and end up with the DeLucas?

A lot to ponder I guess.

 

[Cabin Fever]

If "Serpent" = Dante,
- Why did Dante not end up with the Carnefice Family, the Family which his mentor is the Don and end up with the DeLucas?

A lot to ponder I guess.

Well, if I recall correctly, it's not clear which happened first - the demise of the Carnefice family, or Serpent joining the DeLuca family. So it's entirely possible for Dante to join the DeLuca family and use the alias Serpent after the Carnefice family was wiped out by the Ombra family. The fact that Serpent is always hiding his face could very well mean he had a secret past.

 

[JJJ84]

Well, if I recall correctly, it's not clear which happened first - the demise of the Carnefice family, or Serpent joining the DeLuca family. So it's entirely possible for Dante to join the DeLuca family and use the alias Serpent after the Carnefice family was wiped out by the Ombra family. The fact that Serpent is always hiding his face could very well mean he had a secret past.

That would depend on how long the current second iteration of Serpents have been active for, and when the events of "The Devil's Shadow" (extinction of Carnefice Family by Ombras) took place.

Cause iirc, while it's not specifically stated how long the current Serpents have been active for, it's been sort of implied (by other characters, like Giocabbe, Luca, Gracie etc) that they have been for quite a while, enough to make their fame be a legendary status (not sure they were actively during "The Big War" or not, but even so definitely a long time).

So "Serpent" joining DeLuca after Carnefice Family's demise I think it doesn't really fit well, because he only became "Serpent" after joining DeLucas (I mean can't be one of the Serpents when he's still affiliated with Carnefice Family, no matter how much friendly terms the Family is with DeLucas).

And also, such scenario would mean Carnefice Family met its demise a long time ago before "Serpent" even started to get known as one of 4 Serpents. That's a really long time for Eiza to be under the chains of Ombra Family (and also long time for her sister Fina to be captive).
The 2 girls going through hardships for long period like that, if that was the case, I must admit it would make me sad.


My theory is, if Dante = "Serpent", then when he was young he first began as a student under Efrem learning the mastery of stealth and assassination.
Wilfred found out about Dante, and being in feud with Efrem, tried to lure Efrem's student away from him but failed.

Dante studied under Efrem, and became a master in assassination arts but eventually had a falling out with Efrem and sometime later, ended up with DeLucas (for unknown reasons which will be revealed later).
He became infamous as "Serpent" of the new 4 Serpents.
But years later, him, Cordia and Wilfred were too late too stop the Family's demise with Efrem perishing in "The Devil's Shadow."
Eventually he is able to pay his debt to his former mentor by being the commander in charge of Ombra mission, and his able to save his mentor's daughter with MC's help.

Things may or may not play out like above, but that's my theory (with assumption that it hasn't been that long time since events of The Devil's Shadow till MC's Ombra mission).

 

[LostGhost]

Well, if I recall correctly, it's not clear which happened first - the demise of the Carnefice family, or Serpent joining the DeLuca family. So it's entirely possible for Dante to join the DeLuca family and use the alias Serpent after the Carnefice family was wiped out by the Ombra family. The fact that Serpent is always hiding his face could very well mean he had a secret past.

Well I always thought he's(serpent) the ex fiance of MC's mother

 

[Jimayo]

Well I always thought he's(serpent) the ex fiance of MC's mother

I think he's his dad.

 

[LostGhost]

I think he's his dad.

Nah he couldn't be he's different from MC's father's attributes and he hates MC's father

 

[Rovenant]

The thing is with the whole "Whodunit" in terms of the mole, majority of fans have speculated it's either Wilfred or Antonio.
Personally though, I'm hoping it's someone else.

Both Wilfred and Antonio just seem to be too obvious choices (no offense to pick predicting them, but they are for me), and my personal hope is that it's someone unexpected by most people.


With Dante being "Serpent" hmmm....... the shoe does seem to fit well for him, so honestly? Wouldn't be surprised even if that ended up being the case.
Though, there's one thing that nags on my mind:

If "Serpent" = Dante,
- Why did Dante not end up with the Carnefice Family, the Family which his mentor is the Don and end up with the DeLucas?

A lot to ponder I guess.

I'm with you, Wilfred was presented as a puppet master and even Cordia aknowledged that. So we are kind of expecting him doing something like that. But what if that's his point? He looks like someone trying to test you some times, and the one encouraging you to participate in missions.
If all of this were only to develop your skills it's kind of strange, but if he is doing this for Cordia and the girls that's another matter. He wanted Gracie to participate in the family and that already happened, he wanted Cordia to change her self pity and she already started to giggle and talking more, he wanted to speed things up with M6 and Luna and started something to made you and her talk about that (he knows you will help).

So if he sees you not only as a potential candidate to high ranks (as Guildart and Gracie said) but as a mean to another end to change them. Them it makes sense to force all this because in his hands there was never any damage.

Something tells me that there are not a lot of time for some reason and he is trying to prepare you all for a the war that's coming, while Cordia believes she can avoid it.


About Serpent - Dante remember that Efren took him but died in some point. A pupil of Efren or Wilfred probably will have Capo-Serpent-Gent talent. So after Efren died maybe he went the the friend of her father.


Another thing in my mind is: Could be the father/mother of MC behind M6. Such a big organization needs to have a Serpent rank leader.and an enemy with Cordia standards. And I remember the female voice that talked behind the speaker (this is highly circumstancial).

Or was Lucan being held by M6 the hole time as Luna? It looked that way too. But he was no one, a delivery guy. But Angelo said (when walking with Antonio in the attack to the wearhouse where Straffan is) he inherited the violence of his father. Unless I'm missing something Lucan is his father. Or are they talking about the father of Cordia?

 

[Jimayo]

Nah he couldn't be he's different from MC's father's attributes and he hates MC's father

Yeah, so? I mean I hate myself and I certainly haven't abandoned my child nor signed them up for the mob. That really doesn't prove anything,

 

[Rovenant]

Yeah, so? I mean I hate myself and I certainly haven't abandoned my child nor signed them up for the mob. That really doesn't prove anything,

It's really circumstancial. MC father has black hair, but Serpent doesn't. You could think he changed his hair colour but why Eiza daughter is that important for him? Why he abandoned you and everyone saying he doesn't care about anyone and is ambitious and without honor, but Serpent is trying to protect you, it doesn't make sense.

And remember the thing where he has other children's and he is in touch with them but not with you. And his eyes are different colour too.

If you see all the info it doesn't look like he is MC father. I thought the Mr Moustache could be, for example, not because appearance but personality.

But so far we don't have enough to say about his father.

 

[Cabin Fever]

That would depend on how long the current second iteration of Serpents have been active for, and when the events of "The Devil's Shadow" (extinction of Carnefice Family by Ombras) took place.

Cause iirc, while it's not specifically stated how long the current Serpents have been active for, it's been sort of implied (by other characters, like Giocabbe, Luca, Gracie etc) that they have been for quite a while, enough to make their fame be a legendary status (not sure they were actively during "The Big War" or not, but even so definitely a long time).

So "Serpent" joining DeLuca after Carnefice Family's demise I think it doesn't really fit well, because he only became "Serpent" after joining DeLucas (I mean can't be one of the Serpents when he's still affiliated with Carnefice Family, no matter how much friendly terms the Family is with DeLucas).

And also, such scenario would mean Carnefice Family met its demise a long time ago before "Serpent" even started to get known as one of 4 Serpents. That's a really long time for Eiza to be under the chains of Ombra Family (and also long time for her sister Fina to be captive).
The 2 girls going through hardships for long period like that, if that was the case, I must admit it would make me sad.


My theory is, if Dante = "Serpent", then when he was young he first began as a student under Efrem learning the mastery of stealth and assassination.
Wilfred found out about Dante, and being in feud with Efrem, tried to lure Efrem's student away from him but failed.

Dante studied under Efrem, and became a master in assassination arts but eventually had a falling out with Efrem and sometime later, ended up with DeLucas (for unknown reasons which will be revealed later).
He became infamous as "Serpent" of the new 4 Serpents.
But years later, him, Cordia and Wilfred were too late too stop the Family's demise with Efrem perishing in "The Devil's Shadow."
Eventually he is able to pay his debt to his former mentor by being the commander in charge of Ombra mission, and his able to save his mentor's daughter with MC's help.

Things may or may not play out like above, but that's my theory (with assumption that it hasn't been that long time since events of The Devil's Shadow till MC's Ombra mission).

The way I understood the lore, "The Big War" was more than two decades ago before any of Cordia's children were born. It was the war that established the DeLuca family as one of the new Big 5 families. That to me means it was the OG Serpents that was involved in that war. It would then be entirely possible to have the Carnefice family wiped out, and Dante to take secret refuge in the Deluca family, hiding his past as a Carnefice (because that would bring the DeLuca into the Ombra-Carnefice war), and take on a new identity and establish himself as one of the new generation Serpents.

Also, I don't think it's been established that Eiza was under the chains of Ombra ever since the demise of the Carnefice family. I think it would make more sense for for Eiza to have been a "free agent" until recent times, when the Ombra family kidnapped Fina in order to force Eiza to take on the job.

 

[Rovenant]

The way I understood the lore, "The Big War" was more than two decades ago before any of Cordia's children were born. It was the war that established the DeLuca family as one of the new Big 5 families. That to me means it was the OG Serpents that was involved in that war. It would then be entirely possible to have the Carnefice family wiped out, and Dante to take secret refuge in the Deluca family, hiding his past as a Carnefice (because that would bring the DeLuca into the Ombra-Carnefice war), and take on a new identity and establish himself as one of the new generation Serpents.

Also, I don't think it's been established that Eiza was under the chains of Ombra ever since the demise of the Carnefice family. I think it would make more sense for for Eiza to have been a "free agent" until recent times, when the Ombra family kidnapped Fina in order to force Eiza to take on the job.

I think something like that happened related to the Eiza and her sister situation.

About the war it's hard to tell. We know the age that Cordia has now and we saw pictures of her while being younger in the war but it's hard to tell.
But if I'm correct the DeLuca were founded by the four serpents (the originally). And at that time Cordia was disciple of Wilfred (and they fought together in the war), so when MC was young Wilfred and his people (The Enigmas I presume) were scouting you, but that probably happened after the war ended. So that means around 20 years in the past at least.

 

[Cabin Fever]

I think something like that happened related to the Eiza and her sister situation.

About the war it's hard to tell. We know the age that Cordia has now and we saw pictures of her while being younger in the war but it's hard to tell.
But if I'm correct the DeLuca were founded by the four serpents (the originally). And at that time Cordia was disciple of Wilfred (and they fought together in the war), so when MC was young Wilfred and his people (The Enigmas I presume) were scouting you, but that probably happened after the war ended. So that means around 20 years in the past at least.

Just took another quick look in the game. Antonio is 30 years old while Luna and Gracie are only 19 & 18 respectively.

I'm beginning to think that I was wrong about all of the Deluca children were born after the Big War. Maybe that happened between Antonio's and Luna's birth. But other than that, I think the rest of my theory is still valid.