WhiteyG

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Looking through his replies to you, I have no idea why he's saying he think game went backwards tbh.

Man, if I have to be blunt about it all, while I still loved the game before, the previous Contracts system was bad.
Never do I want to go back to that awful RNG with story none-existent contracts system with almost zero gameplay again.
I don't get it either. The contract update was necessary. I'm sure some people are still waiting on the VN mode so they can completely ignore them. I do like the idea (sorry don't remember who said it) of being able to auto complete the ones that you've already gotten to 100%. That would definitely lower the grind. It was still a great game even when the contract system sucked. :LOL:
 

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well i said backward is because before you could have skills but now you cant.

and and instead of see how easy it is when you just spoke the truth about the missing parts instead of jumping on how i said backwards and that the game is going fine while its total clear its not going fully fine when there is a function that was there and now its removed.

and if its been removed then why they keep the old info instead of applying the changes on all the other links in these two years or so how many updates and none had the chance to make new guide if the creater of that old guide has no time to change it or so.
Uh, dude. All the old skills books did were basically +"X" number of stats of the MC whether it's attack, defense, stealth or threats.
They were nothing special.

Instead, in the new, much better contracts system the increase in stats of MC is earned more naturally, whether going through girls lewd/freeroam events (which gives +1 permanent stat increase in any of the stats) or increase in stats by equipping certain gear.
With the way progression goes in the new contracts system, the old skills books would have made the MC overpowered as hell, and it was the right call to remove them.

So it's not true when you said it's a step backwards.

And believe me, had you actually seen the actual previous contracts system (which you admitted you haven't), you will no doubt recant the opinion that it's backwards (especially with something which is as trivial as skill books).

Regarding why that Guide is still there, well it's because the guide is massively outdated.
All info about the contracts from that guide is no longer relevant since v0.07 released last year with the dev's contracts gameplay overhaul.

I mean you can just ignore the whole contracts part of the guide (like everyone else is doing lol), instead of saying "It's a step backwards" or "Why isn't anyone updating the guide"

If anyone wants to update the guide that person will.
It really shouldn't be that big of a deal.
 
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Associate → Soldato → Elite Soldato → Caporegime / Wilfred's Division → The 4 Serpents → Consigliere → Capo Bastone → Don (Donna)

From the Ombra mission, it seems to be heavily implied (like with Amita & Elita's convo) some of Wilfred's Division members were former Capos, and given the sort of relationship that each rank has with each other, I'd say those 2 ranks are equal in rank.

While Wilfred in the DeLuca Family is very much respected by all and seems to have the most power/control only next to Cordia, purely in terms of organization structure, I'd say Antonio is higher as Capo Bastone (Capo Bastone is Jalen's position as well, so seems to be that it's the position specifically reserved for the heir).


lol, I don't need it.
For my own save, I already greened all the Contracts (including the Painter).

I was only testing out Cabin Fever's save for him cause it wasn't working for his save.
i was talking ranks Family and sub families
 

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I don't get it either. The contract update was necessary. I'm sure some people are still waiting on the VN mode so they can completely ignore them. I do like the idea (sorry don't remember who said it) of being able to auto complete the ones that you've already gotten to 100%. That would definitely lower the grind. It was still a great game even when the contract system sucked. :LOL:
no i am talking about the full experiance...

but that doesnt mean to pick my choice of words while i meant by them something you even know its true but just you felt to have fun on what i said ignoring the fact of why i said it. which is that the skills and weapons shop was removed.... nothing else so its just that you read my reply instead of reading my first statement that i wrote before that reply to understand fully so you can build up your reply against me or not its upto you..
 

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i was talking ranks Family and sub families
Uh I'm a little bit confused here, I thought you were referring to how the ranks would go up for each Family.

If not, I'm not really sure what you mean.
If you're referring to ranking between each Family (how they'd rank in terms of power, territory, money), there's still too little information to get into them (Hopes needs to release more lore).
And with Sub Family, only now we've gotten a little taste of it with Feni Family (Family which Fawkes belongs to) being the Sub Family of the Bonanzo Family.

Just too little information I'm afraid.
 
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no i am talking about the full experiance...

but that doesnt mean to pick my choice of words while i meant by them something you even know its true but just you felt to have fun on what i said ignoring the fact of why i said it. which is that the skills and weapons shop was removed.... nothing else so its just that you read my reply instead of reading my first statement that i wrote before that reply to understand fully so you can build up your reply against me or not its upto you..
No part of that statement was directed at you other than the I don't get it either. Which was referring to why you think the game went backwards. Which is a strange thing to say when you admit that you hadn't played it. The old contract system had different point requirements in order to have a chance at passing them. Which is why all that stuff was available at the shop, it was needed. That all changed with .7.0. The new contracts require far fewer points in order to pass. Plus they are actual contracts with some story to them. Not push the button depending on you stats you have X% chance to pass or fail. The new contract system was a great improvement in the game. So when you say I can't buy this stuff that isn't needed anymore at the shop so the game went backwards I take offense. I hope that makes sense to you because I have really lost interest in this conversation. JJJ just explained the new system and how points are gotten in story and from shop items as well as earned items. The game didn't go backwards it took a leap forward, but you didn't play it before so you don't know that. You just want your MC to be over powered as hell and pretty much be a serpent in his first couple weeks in the family by buying shit from the shop. Does that really seem like what this game is about to you.
 
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I've installed the patch, then started the game, went to sleep and in the morning I spoke with Wilfred...but in the "Events" page there is no "Contract" event to trigger.

EDIT:
There is a possibility that it's a bug because my exp level is a lot more than 100% (actually, Rank 4 - 133.3%)?
Have you in stalled the patch (Not the main game) The patch that turns the version to 0.08.0.2.. Its a separate file directly under the "Mac install file link for the main game 0.08" file link and it is called "v0.08.0.2 Bugfix Only" You can check if you have the correct game vr. by saving your game and making sure it says 8.0.02 instead of 0.08
 

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Uh, dude. All the old skills books did were basically +"X" number of stats of the MC whether it's attack, defense, stealth or threats.
They were nothing special.

Instead, in the new, much better contracts system the increase in stats of MC is earned more naturally, whether going through girls lewd/freeroam events (which gives +1 permanent stat increase in any of the stats) or increase in stats by equipping certain gear.
With the way progression goes in the new contracts system, the old skills books would have made the MC overpowered as hell, and it was the right call to remove them.

So it's not true when you said it's a step backwards.

And believe me, had you actually seen the actual previous contracts system (which you admitted you haven't), you will no doubt recant the opinion that it's backwards (especially with something which is as trivial as skill books).

Regarding why that Guide is still there, well it's because the guide is massively outdated.
All info about the contracts from that guide is no longer relevant since v0.07 released last year with the dev's contracts gameplay overhaul.

I mean you can just ignore the whole contracts part of the guide (like everyone else is doing lol), instead of saying "It's a step backwards" or "Why isn't anyone updating the guide"

If anyone wants to update the guide that person will.
It really shouldn't be that big of a deal.
ok maybe he will be over powered but which better to be the only one who doesnt have skills while there are others all around him with skills and he cant fight them????

its like Apes all around him jumping and he is the only human that cant do that lol.

plus how he could be confident talking to any of these women who are way stronger than him, oh dont give me that cute or handsome thing... thats wont be enough if the man isnt stronger then he is laughable. weak. which is hard to accept as a player who cant be strong or skilled then why i am playing it...

what i mean is its a choice that the player has freedom of choice that been taken from which no one would accept that dont know about you if you accept being the weakling who doesnt want to be strong instead of being able to defend and save. and then luna comes and put that statement about him running away which proves my point weakling.
 

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seriously in that guide says at the end of the pages after the missions there are shopping which to buy skills and guns how the hell you got that if the game it self doesnt have that part. i finished the game and the MC doesnt have any what so ever skill other than what he got from the missions thats all, nothing fancy moves or so like all others. and then he get in the rescue the assassins sister and still has no any type of special skills that could help him in his fights or so, even the gun that he has is the only one that he got when he got promoted nothing special???!!!

any explination to that??!!!
this is my original post that been replyed to and then i replyed to that comment. which lead to your comment afterwards.
 
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ok maybe he will be over powered but which better to be the only one who doesnt have skills while there are others all around him with skills and he cant fight them????

its like Apes all around him jumping and he is the only human that cant do that lol.

plus how he could be confident talking to any of these women who are way stronger than him, oh dont give me that cute or handsome thing... thats wont be enough if the man isnt stronger then he is laughable. weak. which is hard to accept as a player who cant be strong or skilled then why i am playing it...

what i mean is its a choice that the player has freedom of choice that been taken from which no one would accept that dont know about you if you accept being the weakling who doesnt want to be strong instead of being able to defend and save. and then luna comes and put that statement about him running away which proves my point weakling.
He's a complete newbie to the mafia world, so it's only natural everyone else is better than him in terms of skills.
Luna's rank is Capo, Gottardo & "Serpent" are 4 Serpents level, Angelo, Caterina, Amita, Amata, are Capos, Onorina, Gildart etc are Wilfred's Division.
Even characters like Pelata, Biondo, Grey, Joey are Elite Soldatos and are much higher than him.

So it's not reasonable to expect him to be overpowered (whether in story or gameplay) since in terms of this mafia life, he's a "baby" and incredibly inexperienced.

He's meant to grow as a character.
When he gets out of his habit of just "using his cunning to be underestimated" & only reacting to his problems instead of taking active approach to solve them, then his growth will really climb I'd imagine.
But until then it's a climb to get stronger (little by little).

So it's for story reasons that he's weak now, and it makes sense for gameplay to be the same.
I mean as Whitey said, can't have him be Superman/Serpent level from day 1.
 

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He's a complete newbie to the mafia world, so it's only natural everyone else is better than him in terms of skills.
Luna's rank is Capo, Gottardo & "Serpent" are 4 Serpents level, Angelo, Caterina, Amita, Amata, are Capos, Onorina, Gildart etc are Wilfred's Division.
Even characters like Pelata, Biondo, Grey, Joey are Elite Soldatos and are much higher than him.

So it's not reasonable to expect him to be overpowered (whether in story or gameplay) since in terms of this mafia life, he's a "baby" and incredibly inexperienced.

He's meant to grow as a character.
When he gets out of his habit of just "using his cunning to be underestimated" & only reacting to his problems instead of taking active approach to solve them, then his growth will really climb I'd imagine.
But until then it's a climb to get stronger (little by little).

So it's for story reasons that he's weak now, and it makes sense for gameplay to be the same.
I mean as Whitey said, can't have him be Superman/Serpent level from day 1.
which there is other his age who can, plus dont forget he is close friend to jalen who is don's son which means he could picked some skills with his friend oh well its not my story to tell or to care if this game would turn out good or bad soon enough we will see.... but again at least he could pickup one or two skill in these missions he made then maybe it would be reasonable and beleavable....

oh well....
 

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Firstly, no offense but regardless whether saying it as a principle or not, you've been pretty much implying in both of your previous 2 posts that he "really should have focused on the VN aspects of the game rather than the contracts."

Only way for that to happen would have been for him to completely abandon all the actual gameplay aspects and just solely focus on the VN mode (and that's not happening, given he's found the suitable system for his contracts).


Secondly, I think you're getting yourself a little bit confused here with the terminology.

The game is split into 3 following segments:

1) Main Story & Main Events (as the name says, the events in those headers in "Journal")

2) Girls' lewd/free-roam events (a.k.a. Luna/Gracie/Isabel/(and in the future) Cordia events)

3) Contracts (a.k.a. Wilfred's Contracts) though this gameplay system is also implemented to Main Story/Main Events with the missions

Free-roam are the girls' lewd events content (where MC roams around the DeLuca mansion going around the rooms to access these girls' events). It is not what you're referring to (which I'm assuming are contracts).

Not sure what you mean exactly when you're referring to "new free roaming is a superior version of cheating with mods, more intuitive, more fluid and without the risk of damaging the save file progress" but ever since v0.07 released last year, this thread has had many people coming to the thread with the posts

"I can't access the Ombra mission. I used mods."
"Can't begin the Ombra mission, can't talk to Wilfred at all. I used cheat before."

Now you may not have experienced the issue while using the cheats/mods, but several people (stopped counting when numbers rose and rose but at least 10+ people, even close to 20 maybe) have experienced their saves being screwed over by using cheat mods.

So that risk is always there (whether it's to lesser or to greater degree). If people still wish to use cheat/mods to jump over the contracts, then that's their decision, but they also gotta deal with possible consequence of their saves being corrupted.


Lastly, it's not like Hopes said every single update will have Wilfred's Contracts in it (and no, next update will not have Wilfred's contracts content).
Also, Hopes intended for the gameplay system in Wilfred's contracts to naturally transition to the main story, and he did that; first time was the Ombra mission, and then we had the Gracie Team missions against the Bonanzo Family in v0.08.

As someone who didn't really like the first version of Wilfred's Contracts of the game, I'm actually quite satisfied with how everything turned out.

To further reiterate, as Carta said previously, while it's different from VN aspect, it's still content.
Just not the content you (or people who only want the VN part) expect/want.
So even if you dislike it for possibly eating up development time for VN aspects of it (though I highly doubt it would as much as it did for v0.07 development), it is what it is.

Full experience is his full vision of the game, and that will always come as priority (which yes, includes the contracts system).
No, I did not say the dev should focus on the VN part. In fact, I said I HOPE HE DOES NOT attempt to develop the VN mode right now, and wait until either the game is finished or almost complete. Read it again.

I did not had any problem with cheat mod and many people did not have either, HOWEVER, I never contested your claim that some people DID have problems with cheat mods. Makes absolutely no sense to point it out, as if I was arguing against it. I NEVER SAID THAT THERE WAS NO PROBLEM!
HOWEVER, it would be 1 billion times faster and easier, to fix such issues, such as correct the code line that does not recognize stats over a certain threshold OR create a mini guide of what NOT TO DO, in order to avoid bugs.
Such as "DON'T INCREASE STATS ARTIFICIALLY, WAIT UNTIL STATS ARE REQUIRED, THEN PURCHASE ONLY THE AMOUNT REQUIRED THROUGH THE GAME'S SHOP"
Didn't took me more than 20 seconds to write a fix, that the developer took months to fix it. What method was faster? That's my point entirely.
He over spent his development time into something, that could've been dealt faster and easier. Instead of PROGRESSING THE STORY CONTENT, of which is still stuck on the same spot after YEARS of nothing.

I hope I won't have to write in caps and use bb code again in the future, heck I don't even want to keep this conversation alive.
So if you want to reply, at least do me a favor to reply about what I actually said. Not whatever you're doing.

I don't know why I have to say this, but... Whatever.
When you start the game you have 3 modes to choose.
1. Normal story mode, with all contracts fully working as the part of the game.
2. Free roaming mode, where contracts do not work/matter, plus a big stack of cash to buy required items, in order to advance in the story fast.
3. VN mode, still not developed.

Free roaming mode, was developed recently. It replaces the need of the old cheat mod entirely, to bypass the grind of the contracts part of the game.
My point was, using cheat mod, already net a very similar result, of which was bypass the contracts without needing to grind them. I can't be any more clear than that.

In that sense this task was redundant because the dev, choose to pursuit a path, that somewhat had been covered, and neglected the story progression as a collateral consequence.
Yes, the newest free roaming mode is better and safer than cheat mod, but in my opinion, he should've progressed the story instead. That is MY opinion. You may disagree and that's alright, but I do not find justifiable the years of wait, for no story content update.

That said, what is done, is done. The dev will do whatever he wants to do. It's his game, and the past cannot be changed.
However, as I said, I believe it was the wrong decision, and that is all that there is to it.
And also depending on how he did structure the code, now he'll have twice the amount of work in the line of code, because he'll have to feed both the main story path and the free roaming path. I really hope he did it properly and will be easy and quick, but who knows. That may or may not further impact the story progression of the game, we'll see.
 

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this is my original post that been replyed to and then i replyed to that comment. which lead to your comment afterwards.
But regarding this original post, I did not go too much into depth, you seem to get the wrong impression that there were "skills" as such, like "fancy moves" or similar. That is/was not the case. There was nothing you could do (story wise) that you couldn't do later. It was a different system that had different tools, but in which there was nothing special (you never knew how a mission went, you would only get a screen which either said "success" or "failure").

HOWEVER, it would be 1 billion times faster and easier, to fix such issues, such as correct the code line that does not recognize stats over a certain threshold OR create a mini guide of what NOT TO DO, in order to avoid bugs.
Such as "DON'T INCREASE STATS ARTIFICIALLY, WAIT UNTIL STATS ARE REQUIRED, THEN PURCHASE ONLY THE AMOUNT REQUIRED THROUGH THE GAME'S SHOP"
So in essence you are considering it the programmer's fault that there are no safeguards against players modifying values as they want and no explanations on how not to cheat? He should write code so values which are impossible to get in game should not lead to crashing? He should consider all possible scenarios that wouldn't appear in game whether or not they work and make a handy chart? I fail to see how that would be faster.

The idea of a game is playing it, it is not modding it. Sure, you can have fun with mods (including stat changes), but if they don't work, the game doesn't need a "fix". Unless I completely misunderstand what you are saying, that would be taking time away from developing the actual game for the potential benefit of shortcut seekers who are not even able to check whether their shortcut works.
 
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