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TimHawk

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Well, he can't stay the way he is, as Wilfred said (in Gracie's missions events), he can't let fear and hesitation rule over him, otherwise he wouldn't be able to survive.
Sure, he did well using his cunning, but there's only so much he can do just using that talent (of being "underestimated") before it becomes too much for just that alone.

That's part of why DeLucas are training him. So he gets experience, gets stronger, to be able to survive in this underworld.

Following is NOT part of Lore stuff, but actually what Hopes himself mentioned (as one of replies to my several questions that I asked about in the past), but both MC & his rival (100% likely it's Dominico) will go through a "training from hell" by the Serpents in the mountains sometime in the future.
And given Cynthia (third Serpent, after Gottardo & "Serpent") is confirmed to be making some appearances in Season 2 (also another fact confirmed by Hopes, on this thread), I'd imagine things will happen that push our MC out from his cowardice (Gracie getting shot I think will be the first step towards that), and committing more time to getting himself stronger.


Besides, new generation of Serpents will need to rise up & get stronger. This doesn't diminish the accomplishments of the old generation, it's just the way things will go:

OG Cordia, Rina, MC's father, and fourth Serpent generation →

2nd generation of Serpents "Serpent", Gottardo, Cynthia, 4th Serpent →

and this will be the story of our era of upcoming Serpents, which I'm guessing would most likely be comprised of MC, Luna, Gracie, & Dominico (Luna & Gracie, becoming future Serpents I think is a given. Pretty sure, that's in store for our MC also. Only one I'm 100% sure isn't Dom, but given the game's been portraying him as MC's rival of sorts, I'd say it's most likely)


Of course, MC & the rest (like Luna, Gracie, Dom) becoming Serpent level won't happen soon, and it will take time but the game's already planned for 3 seasons anyway (and only just finished season 1), and there's time within season 2 for MC to go through a lot of changes for himself (and out of the rest, only Luna is Capo rank, Gracie is rankless, and Dom is still a Soldato like MC).


Just my thoughts on the matter based on what Hopes shared in the past (so yeah, MC will become badass with training that will be coming but it will feel like a natural progression with the story).
First of thank you for the training info, I did not know that, I played the game once very early on and then basically came back at 0.8 so I'm missing lots of context and info.

And wow bro, I'm kinda blown away that you think the Luna, Gracie, and the MC will be Serpents one day, like Luna maybe, but it never even occured to me as far as the other two go.

I was convinced that the MC and Gracie will go the Wilfred route, as in become a team and eventually be responsible for all mission planning and strategic ressource management of all the Families assets. It would appease Cordia by keeping Gracie out of harms way and fully utilize the rare talents and gifts these two have.

I understand that the MC has to learn how to hold his own, but it would really bum me out, if he turns from someone who uses his brain first to someone who shoots first and asks questions later. I want him to become a badass by being able to predict what anyone will do before anyone else does.

OG Cordia, Rina, MC's father, and fourth Serpent generation →

Shouldn't that be : OG Cordia, Rina, Dante, and fourth Serpent generation → ?
 

JJJ84

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OG Cordia, Rina, MC's father, and fourth Serpent generation →

Shouldn't that be : OG Cordia, Rina, Dante, and fourth Serpent generation → ?
Going to bed now, so I'll read the rest of your post later.
From what I understand, both of MC's parents are Serpents.
His mother is Rina (Cordia's friend), and his father is most likely the one with the face burnt off in the photo (who isn't Rina's fiance) in Cordia's office.

So is would be :

OG Cordia, Rina, MC's father, and Rina's fiance generation (just forgot to include that first in previous post) →
 

TimHawk

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Going to bed now, so I'll read the rest of your post later.
From what I understand, both of MC's parents are Serpents.
His mother is Rina (Cordia's friend), and his father is most likely the one with the face burnt off in the photo (who isn't Rina's fiance) in Cordia's office.

So is would be :

OG Cordia, Rina, MC's father, and Rina's fiance generation (just forgot to include that first in previous post) →
Sweet dreams brother.

Cordia, Rita and Dante (Rita's fiance) are locks, they all get confirmed as OG serpents.

Which means either the 4th one is the MC's father or his father wasn't an OG serpent.
 

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First of thank you for the training info, I did not know that, I played the game once very early on and then basically came back at 0.8 so I'm missing lots of context and info.

And wow bro, I'm kinda blown away that you think the Luna, Gracie, and the MC will be Serpents one day, like Luna maybe, but it never even occured to me as far as the other two go.

I was convinced that the MC and Gracie will go the Wilfred route, as in become a team and eventually be responsible for all mission planning and strategic ressource management of all the Families assets. It would appease Cordia by keeping Gracie out of harms way and fully utilize the rare talents and gifts these two have.

I understand that the MC has to learn how to hold his own, but it would really bum me out, if he turns from someone who uses his brain first to someone who shoots first and asks questions later. I want him to become a badass by being able to predict what anyone will do before anyone else does.
MC & his rival's future training under the Serpents was part of replies that Hopes gave to my many questions to him. And this was back before v0.07 (i.e. before Wilfred's contracts gameplay overhaul) so yeah...... it was a long time ago (and you'd have missed some very interesting/fun info revealed by Hopes back then).

Well....., with Luna & Gracie, Hopes put breadcrumbs out there in previous events that I think pretty much foreshadows them being future Serpents. I'll list all the relevant events below:


- Main Story 3: The Punishment (early on before going to beach house, Gracie wearing Cynthia's old Serpent uniform and girls' talk about Serpents with MC. Luna states Cynthia's her teacher, and even says she wants to be like Cynthia when she gets older)

- Main Story 10: I love you my son (Wilfred, in his conversation with Cordia, states Gracie far exceeds "Serpent potential" and tries to convince the Donna to have her daughter be working for the Family, but she shuts him down with "No")

- Main event: What is truly weak is truly strong (once again, when Gildart, Onorina, Amata, Caterina meet up and talk about MC, Wilfred's assessment of Gracie having at least Serpent potential is mentioned)

- Luna event: Femme Fatale (while watching the movie, Gracie says Cynthia can fight with a dress on)

- Luna event: My name is Luna (towards the end, Gracie announces to Luna "You've got me in your corner too. You could easily think of me as one of the Serpents")

- Gracie event: Friends! (Cynthia's relationship advice to Gracie)


Basically both DeLuca girls pretty much idolizes Cynthia (and sees the female Serpent as their role model).


With MC, there's lesser foreshadowing, but still:

- Main Story 3: The Punishment (assuming the player makes the right choice and decides to have MC sacrifice himself to save Luna & Gracie, Gottardo makes a joke about MC's bravery saying "We've got a future Serpent with us huh? I better be careful!")
- Main Story 7: Mother? (with that photo of Cordia & OG serpents revealed Rina's fiance isn't MC's father.
And with that, one can make an educated guess that the Serpent with face burnt off on the photo is likely to be MC's father).
Taking this into account, with both his parents being Serpents, it would attribute to why DeLucas kept a close eye on him from when he was a kid.



To conclude, as Cordia said in her meeting with Giacobbe;

"There is a new era on the rise, our job is to keep the balance until they're ready to take our place. Their stories will be told, and ours will be forgotten."

While I think Cordia was referring to this in broad/general terms (and wasn't referring to anyone specific), I do think that current young seeds (characters like MC, Luna, Gracie, Dominico, Jalen, Fawkes etc etc) will eventually rise to be the new Serpents, or high ranks in their own respective Families.
 

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MC & his rival's future training under the Serpents was part of replies that Hopes gave to my many questions to him. And this was back before v0.07 (i.e. before Wilfred's contracts gameplay overhaul) so yeah...... it was a long time ago (and you'd have missed some very interesting/fun info revealed by Hopes back then).

Well....., with Luna & Gracie, Hopes put breadcrumbs out there in previous events that I think pretty much foreshadows them being future Serpents. I'll list all the relevant events below:


- Main Story 3: The Punishment (early on before going to beach house, Gracie wearing Cynthia's old Serpent uniform and girls' talk about Serpents with MC. Luna states Cynthia's her teacher, and even says she wants to be like Cynthia when she gets older)

- Main Story 10: I love you my son (Wilfred, in his conversation with Cordia, states Gracie far exceeds "Serpent potential" and tries to convince the Donna to have her daughter be working for the Family, but she shuts him down with "No")

- Main event: What is truly weak is truly strong (once again, when Gildart, Onorina, Amata, Caterina meet up and talk about MC, Wilfred's assessment of Gracie having at least Serpent potential is mentioned)

- Luna event: Femme Fatale (while watching the movie, Gracie says Cynthia can fight with a dress on)

- Luna event: My name is Luna (towards the end, Gracie announces to Luna "You've got me in your corner too. You could easily think of me as one of the Serpents")

- Gracie event: Friends! (Cynthia's relationship advice to Gracie)


Basically both DeLuca girls pretty much idolizes Cynthia (and sees the female Serpent as their role model).


With MC, there's lesser foreshadowing, but still:

- Main Story 3: The Punishment (assuming the player makes the right choice and decides to have MC sacrifice himself to save Luna & Gracie, Gottardo makes a joke about MC's bravery saying "We've got a future Serpent with us huh? I better be careful!")
- Main Story 7: Mother? (with that photo of Cordia & OG serpents revealed Rina's fiance isn't MC's father.
And with that, one can make an educated guess that the Serpent with face burnt off on the photo is likely to be MC's father).
Taking this into account, with both his parents being Serpents, it would attribute to why DeLucas kept a close eye on him from when he was a kid.



To conclude, as Cordia said in her meeting with Giacobbe;

"There is a new era on the rise, our job is to keep the balance until they're ready to take our place. Their stories will be told, and ours will be forgotten."

While I think Cordia was referring to this in broad/general terms (and wasn't referring to anyone specific), I do think that current young seeds (characters like MC, Luna, Gracie, Dominico, Jalen, Fawkes etc etc) will eventually rise to be the new Serpents, or high ranks in their own respective Families.
But during the Ombra warehouse mission, Gildart specifically says the MC does not have Serpent potential.

And as for Gracie, as far as I know every evaluation of her, is 100% based on her amazing mental abilities.

I would be absolutely floored if those three end up becoming Serpents, but I also can't deny that it's a possibility.
 

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Cordia is a stone cold killer, there is no doubt about that, but otherwise you don't get to where she is.

It's interessting that the only time Cordia seems "human" or somewhat engaged is when talking to the MC in private.
yea but at dinner she seems to genuinely care about her children. she asks others how they feel despite appearing cold and indifferent. one of my favorite moments is when Antonio asks her if she'll ever stop treating him like a child and she basically just says no
 

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But during the Ombra warehouse mission, Gildart specifically says the MC does not have Serpent potential.

And as for Gracie, as far as I know every evaluation of her, is 100% based on her amazing mental abilities.

I would be absolutely floored if those three end up becoming Serpents, but I also can't deny that it's a possibility.
Gildart's exact words were;

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Gildart's exact words were;

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Also Wilfred's assessment aren't always 100% on spot. With this Jo... Cane... whatever guy, his assessment was of at the beginning, if my memory serves me right and only later stated that his stealth potential may even surpass Serpent level.
 
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Gildart's exact words were;

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I'd be more inclined to say he has near Serpent potential. the not quite part could be because Wilfred sees how MC is prone to being scared too much and not planning long term as opposed to his short term goals. if MC could get past those 2 issues, his evaluation could go up higher than most would believe. but as you say, this is only a guess and not fact
 

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He is beaten by everyone, is submissive, humiliated, simp and dumb?
Then I would say no. Although I would argue there is not many novels that fit your description that I have played in f95. If anything, the most common problem are Gary Stu MC everbody loves without doing anything.

Mind naming a novel with an MC that fits your description?
 

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I really wish we would learn more about young Cordia, which remains to me the most beautiful and mysterious girl. That scene of her in the snow with a knife was my wallpaper for so long.
I would love to see young Cordia, and all four of the Serpents (the OGs) in their glory days in an extensive flashback.
Perhaps it might be too much to ask for the flashback involving these four which may be as lengthy (and heartbreaking) as My name is Luna, but yeah.....I can always hope.
 

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I would love to see young Cordia, and all four of the Serpents (the OGs) in their glory days in an extensive flashback.
Perhaps it might be too much to ask for the flashback involving these four which may be as lengthy (and heartbreaking) as My name is Luna, but yeah.....I can always hope.
I really wanna know what Rita's "special ability" is, like when you read something like that you automatically think superhero movies :D
 
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