Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[TimHawk]

What risk does MC pose to her entire family?

I was referring to what Antonia says to the MC in the Straffan mission.

"You've barely gotten your feet wet and now you are jumping into a fight with the top brass before backup arrives?! Do you know what would happen to our family if something happened to you?!"

I always considered that line to be a big genuine hint from Hope, because in that moment Antonio is somewhat shell shocked from almost witnessing his sister die and probably more honest than he should've been.

And that's why I can't, for the life of me, figure out why Cordia let's the MC do whatever and not just protects her family first, as I said, it must be something HUGE in my opinion.

Which being the child of 2 Serpents absolutely is. It doesn't get much bigger.

I don't think that potential, which would still be incredibly low given genetic diversity, is enough for the risks Cordia is willing to take. Especially now, where we know that the DeLuca's have 4 Serpents, the Silverino's have 3 Sterlings and so on. If you extrapolate that for the entire Underworld there must be dozens, if not a hundred on that level/rank.

The position that he's not just a Soldato. Soldatos don't live in the main house, with the family.
He holds a priveliged position. I expect it's this, that Wilfred is referring to.
Probably why he said "position", not "rank".

But how does that protect him, he doesn't live in the soldier quarters but IS a de facto Soldato, so to me "position" indicates something more, something big.

 

[Cartageno]

Sorry, but I do not have the first clue what you're talking about.
Who asked, for what comparison?

The post that started the discussion

I hope,mc will not only sleep with Cordia,but can ask about who is better,he or his dad.

 

[TimHawk]

His position has nothing to do with his rank.
He is in a priveliged position.

Living with the Family should not be enough to protect the MC from disobeying orders, starting a conflict or doing things in the name of the Family without permission. It really makes no sense to me.

 

[TimHawk]

Presumably because, if something happens to MC, DeLuca's have not held up the contract.
Failing to uphold their side of the contract, probably wouldn't reflect too well on a major family.

I agree that it has to be related to the contract, but it also can't be standard contract language, since Eiza is under contract and not only does nobody seem to give a fuck wether she lives or dies, she even gets put under the command of the MC who has no clue what he's doing.

 

[TimHawk]

Reading back to what we've all just discussed, may have given me another point that needs speculating and discussing.

Elektra : "Rina was engaged to another of the Serpents, one named Dante."
Elektra : "But he died when she betrayed the Family."

We know that Dante left the DeLuca's to join Efrem and the Carnefice Family and I would assume by then the engagement was called of.

And then he died in a conflict that at least involved Rina, and presumably was even started by her, which leads me to believe it also involved the Carnefice Family.

Let's assume for a minute that Dante was the one who broke of the engagement with Rina, because she is batshit crazy and brutal and all those good things and also decided that he doesn't wanna work with her anymore, so he decides to leave.

He then meets a new girl while working for the Carnefice Family, falls in love, Rina goes terminator and attacks them without the blessing from the Deluca's, or any valid reason that would allow for one family to attack another as far as the Pacifactories are concerned. She goes completely ham, killing dozens, including "younglings" and people way below her rank.

In you opinion, would that qualify for being fucked up enough to be exiled from the entire Underworld ?

 

[Cabin Fever]

Reading back to what we've all just discussed, may have given me another point that needs speculating and discussing.

Elektra : "Rina was engaged to another of the Serpents, one named Dante."
Elektra : "But he died when she betrayed the Family."

We know that Dante left the DeLuca's to join Efrem and the Carnefice Family and I would assume by then the engagement was called of.

And then he died in a conflict that at least involved Rina, and presumably was even started by her, which leads me to believe it also involved the Carnefice Family.

Let's assume for a minute that Dante was the one who broke of the engagement with Rina, because she is batshit crazy and brutal and all those good things and also decided that he doesn't wanna work with her anymore, so he decides to leave.

He then meets a new girl while working for the Carnefice Family, falls in love, Rina goes terminator and attacks them without the blessing from the Deluca's, or any valid reason that would allow for one family to attack another as far as the Pacifactories are concerned. She goes completely ham, killing dozens, including "younglings" and people way below her rank.

In you opinion, would that qualify for being fucked up enough to be exiled from the entire Underworld ?

This is way better than my stupid theory!

 

[TimHawk]

At least in part Rina's personalitiy seems to fit a crime of rage. When the MC sneaks into Cordia's office, in the ensuing conversation, Cordia says :

"But she also was kind of a malcontent... and rather outgoing. And made that clear to anyone. No matter their status or what situations we found ourselves in. We got into quite a fair amount of trouble, due to that."

And Cordia also calls Dante her friend, which could make the punishment more personal.

I just can't find a way to connect it to the MC's contract, something would still be missing, unless it's a "normal" punishment to assign one's first born over to contract duty if such a crime is commited.

It could further be true, that in those cases the Family who takes on that contract would have to ensure the personal well being of the person under contract or be hit with severe penalties themselves, which would fly really well with what Antonio said.

It's razor thin, but it's something and at least in opinion not completely batshit crazy.

 

[whichone]

I just can't find a way to connect it to the MC's contract, something would still be missing, unless it's a "normal" punishment to assign one's first born over to contract duty if such a crime is commited.

Yeah, nor is there any connect to the other Serpent being burnt out of the photo.
He obviously did something emotionally distressing to whoever burned him out.
What's more emotionally distressing, than cheating on you with your friend?
What bigger "betrayal"?
Burned out guy being MC's Father, manipulating Rina into cheating on Dante, while he's cheating on Cordia, ticks all the boxes.
Dante left. Rina went over the edge. Cordia feels regret. MC was actively watched since early childhood.

I don't think there's anything "normal" about MC's contract.

Especially now, where we know that the DeLuca's have 4 Serpents, the Silverino's have 3 Sterlings and so on. If you extrapolate that for the entire Underworld there must be dozens, if not a hundred on that level/rank.

Yes, there are at least double figures of that rank, or equivalent. But MC may well be the first offspring of 2.
As I said, I'm sure they'd be watching the offspring of 1, to see if they displayed any traits.
The offspring of 2, they're definitely watching.
He could be the ultimate Serpent!

 

[Doomyk]

English is not my native,so sorry for mistakes.
In many legends,ice queen was betrayed an took care of the other children.The mystical old man who gives glasses gives a lot of food for thought. He says in particular that history repeats itself, and people do not learn anything.And we know that he made mc's contract.Shivon said about granddad,who had returned.As i remember,Nazazi called not only mc's dad *manwhore* but his own dad too.I think that he is misterious old man,he is the father of nazazi and mc dad and he tried prevent war by these contracts.
About mc's father.I don't think that he raped Rina.He seems to be mc from many many games with *hellish burn,baby, burn run.Like,fuck as many as possible,think only about himself,greedy for money,power etc.His story ends and now we can see some consequences being his son. Imagine how many people he betrayed, how many women he seduced. I would not be surprised that Zin was killed because of cheating.And now a lot of big shots are those whose mothers, sisters, wives were seduced.That is one of main reasons,why many people wants mc dead.He is copy of his father.Physical pain is not as bad as ego damage. This is what Wilfred warns the mc about not hurting girls.Mc does not believe that Wilfred was serious and that he would never cause physical harm.NO,Wilfred was very very serious.He meant mental damage which is much worse than physical.
And last.Contract is not his shackles.The main shackles are his thinking. When he realizes that with or without a contract, he is forever part of the criminal world, when he accepts the Deluca family with his heart, only then will he be able to reach his potential. He is very difficult to assess due to his laziness, stealth and belief that he will be able to return to the normal world for a short time. But I would not be surprised if he can surpass the potential of snakes, like Gracie.

 

[TimHawk]

English is not my native,so sorry for mistakes.
In many legends,ice queen was betrayed an took care of the other children.The mystical old man who gives glasses gives a lot of food for thought. He says in particular that history repeats itself, and people do not learn anything.And we know that he made mc's contract.Shivon said about granddad,who had returned.As i remember,Nazazi called not only mc's dad *manwhore* but his own dad too.I think that he is misterious old man,he is the father of nazazi and mc dad and he tried prevent war by these contracts.

I had the same idea and I asked Hope ( The developer ) in an Q&A session and he basically said "Nope, not the same dude."

 

[Doomyk]

By the way, I remember that the mysterious old man said that the father of the mc is looking after the children. Were there any ideas about this? For some reason, I immediately thought about Joe ... Joey ... about that guy who everyone forgets, the master of stealth . On the other hand, it is unlikely that the father could so easily break into the house himself. Are there any theories about this?

 

[TimHawk]

Yeah, nor is there any connect to the other Serpent being burnt out of the photo.
He obviously did something emotionally distressing to whoever burned him out.
What's more emotionally distressing, than cheating on you with your friend?
What bigger "betrayal"?
Burned out guy being MC's Father, manipulating Rina into cheating on Dante, while he's cheating on Cordia, ticks all the boxes.
Dante left. Rina went over the edge. Cordia feels regret. MC was actively watched since early childhood.

I don't think there's anything "normal" about MC's contract.

Yes, there are at least double figures of that rank, or equivalent. But MC may well be the first offspring of 2.
As I said, I'm sure they'd be watching the offspring of 1, to see if they displayed any traits.
The offspring of 2, they're definitely watching.
He could be the ultimate Serpent!

Something just occured to me. I think we have all been making the same mistake, or rather we have all been theorising under one assumption that just has to be wrong.

And that's that Rina's crime is in any way related to the MC's father, because it fails on many levels.

1) Same crime, same punishment, but there is no mention of him being exiled from the underworld or being punished too.
2) He can't have been the same person who lived with Rina and the MC, or he must have left/never been in the underworld, since any contact with Rina would've been forbidden.
3) Elektra calls him a high ranking member of the Silverinos, Nazazi calls him the Don of the Silverinos, in either case he neither left the underworld nor could he have been exiled.
4) The Serpent states that both of the MC's parents were a part of the underworld.

If we take all that into consideration a few things seem to be at the very least highly unlikely.

1) That he was an OG serpent or the burned out person in the picture.
2) That he was the one who lived with Rina and the MC.
3) That the rumours of him being a civilian worked associated with the underworld, who then rose up in rank, are just made up.

Like something in all that doesn't add up, something gotta give and we have been given wrong information, or rather some Characters have drawn the wrong conclusions.

The fact that everyone hates the MC's father with a passion and at the same time seems almost nostalgic and compassionate about Rina is really confusing. Did the MC's father commit a crime at all or was he just a manipulative piece of shit ?

Seriously whenever I think about this game I end up with 50 more questions than what I started with ... HOPE, I HATE YOU, you flipping danish weazel !!!

 

[drifter139]

Because people think the guy who's burned out of the photo, of the original Serpents, is MC's Father.
You don't burn someone out of a photo, unless you have some personal (presumably painful) reason to remove their image.

People generally don't want to see their ex & burning them out of a photo is a pretty emotional response to whatever actually happened.
We know that Cordia feels some regret, over whatever happened with Rina, but Rina is not burned out of the photo.
This suggests that the blame\accountability is on the person who is burned out.
Suspicion is that MC's Father was young Cordia's partner, possibly betrayed her by cheating with Rina.
This would also provide some reasoning for Rina being somewhat mentally disturbed.
It also provides solid reasoning for why the Family has been watching him, since he was a child.
If he's the child of 2 Serpents, he has potential to be exceptional.

It fits, speculatively.

except that isn't his father. during one of the events, we learn that MC's father is part of the Silverino family and he was never part of the DeLuca family. the man in the photo can't be MC's father because of that reason. also we know Cordia has only ever been with 1 man and that was her late husband who fathered her 3 children. we do know that before leaving the DeLuca family, MC's mother was engaged to someone but she killed him which leads me to believe that she is incapable of actually loving anyone

 

[Cartageno]

I always wonder about those guys complaining this game has no content when we can literally discuss the story, background, lore, everything for hundreds of pages

 

[Cabin Fever]

I always wonder about those guys complaining this game has no content when we can literally discuss the story, background, lore, everything for hundreds of pages

Some people are so shallow they don't have anything on their mind but fapping.

 

[TimHawk]

I never once made that assumption.

1. Who says they commited the same crime? If what I suggested is correct, he didn't betray the Family, he betrayed Cordia, on a personal level.
Entirely different.
We know Rina did betray the Family. It's categorically stated in-game. MC's Father manipulating her into doing so would give Cordia reason for regret, if she directed the ire at Rina, instead of the true perpetrator.

2. If he manipulated Rina, which fits with Cordia feeling regret towards her, why would she want him living with her?

3. So what? What he is now has nothing to do with what he previously was. If anything, previously being a Serpent would make him pretty likely to quickly climb the ranks in any Family he went to, after. No?

4. I don't see your point. That fits, if both his parents were OG Serpents.
It supports my suggestion, it doesn't contradict it.

Literally nothing that you have written makes 1) unlikely.
As with 2), above, who said he did live with Rina & MC? Him being MC's Father doesn't mean he lived with them. Where is it written that anyone at all lived with them?
For 3), you'll have to forgive my memory, but where are these rumours referenced in-game?

The MC states on multiple occasions that his father lived with his mom and him and then moved out while he was still young and that he has barely any memory of him. Then when he moved out, the MC's mom grew distant to the MC and changed.

Hence he can't have been a serpent or even part of the underworld since those were forbidden to have any contact with Rina, and that ban/exile didn't come from the DeLuca's it came from the Pacifactories.

Or, as I stated above if he was the 4th serpent and a part of the underworld, then it wasn't the man who lived with Rina and the MC.

The rumours come from two sources, 1) Elektra who states :

"The little intel that we could gather said that she had gotten a son with a civilian office worker."

then later :

"I believe your father was not just a simple civilian who worked in a normal office job."
"I believe he currently resides within the Silverino Family!"

2) the Ombras, who state :

"Background check shows he is a nobody. Both parents are ordinary."

 

[camube]

damn y'all discussions makes me want to replay Deluca from the beginning.

I'm seriously still impressed with Arrendersi, many many months after release. I hope it gets to Replay Room soon (or I'll just replay from the beginning).

Deluca is seriously top 3 games for me for sure

 

[drifter139]

What are you talking about?

How does MC's Father being part of Silverinos mean that he was never a Serpent?
Dante joined a different Family. Why couldn't MC's Father? What possible reason supports this?

Where is it written that Cordia & the other 3 OG Serpents were part of DeLuca Family? Could well be that she formed that Family name in the aftermath of the war.
Not sure where it's stated that MC's Father was never a DeLuca, but it doesn't mean he can't have been an OG Serpent.
As I say, DeLuca may well have only been formed after the war.

Where is it stated that Cordia only had one sexual partner?
Even if this is the case, so what? She's not MC's Mother, so her giving birth to Antonio & the girls by Lucan, her only sexual partner, means absolutely nothing.
No-one said MC's Father fucked her.

Where is it stated that Rina killed Dante?
It's specifically stated that he was killed when she betrayed the Family, but it does not say by her.

okay. 1) the DeLuca did exist prior to the war. the Serpents were formed during the war and not after.
2) the name Dante is extremely common. chances are there were multiple named Dante.
3) according to Cordia, Rina taught her to connect to others as she considered herself introverted.
4) I honestly don't see Cordia as the type to have multiple partners considering prior to the game, she struggled to connect to others so sex would be almost impossible for her given her personality at the time.
5) the burnt out part of the photo could have been someone who died during the war, whether it was Rina or someone else that killed him.

 

[Jimayo]

Hence he can't have been a serpent or even part of the underworld since those were forbidden to have any contact with Rina, and that ban/exile didn't come from the DeLuca's it came from the Pacifactories.

Why are other crime families required to follow the decrees of cordia? Pretty sure her decrees only bind delucas and not the criminal underworld as a whole.

 

[Cabin Fever]

To be fair, he said the exile was put in place by the Pacificatoris, not Cordia.

I still don't see why someone being exiled means someone who's not exiled can't have anything to do with them.
DeLucas were monitoring her & her child for years. If they were allowed to do that, I see nothing that precludes a made man from living with her.
She's exiled, so she can't enter their world, or have anything to do with their business.
That's all it means.
Living with a made man doesn't seem to contravene that, as long as he doesn't talk shop.

In a mafia world where one could get shot at just for attitude, an exile living with a made man is quite probably more than enough excuse to get both of them in real trouble in a hurry, regardless if they talk shop or not.