Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[TimHawk]

Absolutely! I'd consider Antonio to be circa 8-10 years older than MC.
Maybe that's his betrayal - he knocked Cordia up then broke up with her & subsequently fucked off with Rina...
As you say, doesn't need any cheating involved, given the timescale.

But, it's the burned out photo that adds weight to the cheating idea. As I say, burning someone out of a photo is a strong emotional response, presumably to being hurt.
I don't know if dumping her while she's pregnant is as painful as cheating on her, with her friend.
I'm not sure which would be more likely to provoke her (ice cool Cordia, The Blizzard Queen) to burn an ex out of a photo.

The timescale does throw things out, a little, though.
Makes me wonder if Cordia was actually pregnant (very early) with Antonio, during the war?
If he was born a few years after, then this whole thing falls down, because Rina & burned out Serpent are (presumably) long gone, by that point.

*edit: OK, so Antonio was initially marked as being 30. Luna 19 & Gracie 18.
AFAIK, MC is same age as the girls. So Antonio is officially 11\12 years older than MC.

Yea that's quite the gap. We all jumped on the cheating train because well ... "a woman scorned" and I think it was perfectly valid at the time, we didn't have the information from Elektra yet, but if we take another look at her description of Rina :

Elektra : "Your mother was as vicious as they came."
Elektra : "Some would even say she was a morally bankrupt person."
Elektra : "Once she had her sights on someone, they'd die in the most horrific way. She colored everything in her path red."
Elektra : "She also didn't care who was in her way. Be it innocent civilians, or young ones."

I don't know about you, but if I read just that in a vacuum, the first word that automatically pops into my mind is : Psychopath.

Maybe she was the one who got greedy for power, maybe she seduced the MC's father away from Cordia with promises of "We will obliterate the Big 5 and then share the Kingdom as King and Queen." And to celebrate their quest for power they had a quick roll in the hay, which resulted in the MC.

They came close to succeeding and to protect the way of the Big 5, the Deluca's and Pacifactories conspired together to keep the truth from becoming public knowledge, as the success Rina and the MC's father had, might have inspired others to try the same.

IF the current Don of the Silverinos IS the MC's dad, then he would basically be trying to get a 2nd shot at it, by forming "the alliance". When Quinzio and Nero approached Nazazi, they said :

Nazazi : "Your guy's little uprising is still in the recruitment phase, I see."
Quinzio : "A temporary loss of customers for the chance to change a rotten system? It is well known that the Ombra Family aren't too happy with the current state of things. I don't understand your hesitation."

I mean ... that could mean that they prepare for a big war against the tradition of the Big 5, which could be a do over of what Rina and the MC's father tried to do once before.

In that way the punishment for the MC's father, living with the MC and Rina for a certain time, would also make perfect sense, as in "You joined her quest, now you will live with her!!!"

Also I just found this : Quinzio : "Seems like they're rather protective of the fellow. They even have secret guards following him." Maybe Cordia isn't as careless as I thought after all Damnit, that totally slipped past me

 

[whichone]

When you chat to Bikini Girl\Elektra, it says "Codex updated" after she gives you the info.
Does anyone know where the "codex" is?
Is it implemented, yet?

We've met Amita & Amata in 1 contract + 1 main mission, even got head off one of them before the mission.
Weird that they talk like they don't know me & are meeting me for the first time, when exploring Lucania.

Also, weird that the game called me "Peter", during exploring Lucania.
I don't know how difficult it is to pick up the user's chosen name, but there it is.

Even more weird, is finding Gracie in the living room, in the evening, do her dancing.
Would've thought she'd struggle to dance, with a bullet in her!
Mind you, she seems pretty relaxed in the bath, in the morning.
Surely these should've been taken out of the daily sequences, after what happened in 09.5.

*Edit, just seen codex is coming in Season 2, after the new combat system is introduced.
So, as it stands, I need to wait about another year to see what info she gave me. lol
Not sure my memory's up to that.
Still, seems rather odd to point users to something which does not yet exist in the game.

HopesGaming might be some continuity errors above mate.

 

[Cabin Fever]

When you chat to Bikini Girl\Elektra, it says "Codex updated" after she gives you the info.
Does anyone know where the "codex" is?
Is it implemented, yet?

We've met Amita & Amata in 1 contract + 1 main mission, even got head off one of them before the mission.
Weird that they talk like they don't know me & are meeting me for the first time, when exploring Lucania.

Even more weird, is finding Gracie in the living room, in the evening, do her dancing.
Would've thought she'd struggle to dance, with a bullet in her!
Mind you, she seems pretty relaxed in the bath, in the morning.
Surely these should've been taken out of the daily sequences, after what happened in 09.5.

Gracie getting shot is meant to be the very end of Season 1. The town roam and the Bikini lady chats are really meant to happen earlier in a playthrough. Unfortunately, Hopes released things out of sequence. So for those of us that have been up-to-date on the game, the flow is weird. But if you do a new playthrough, those events should be available earlier, in proper sequence.

 

[Cabin Fever]

I've finished all content. Gracie has been shot.
Yet, at the end of Season 1, she's still dancing in the lounge in the evening & bathing in the bathroom in the morning, after the event has taken place.
She's not even in the house, at this point. Yet she is, for those 2 mini events.
That's not something out of sequence, it's just a basic continuity error.
Hopes forgot to remove those 2 mini events from the daily roster, after she was taken off the board.

My point is, after Gracie is shot, that's supposed to be the end of all contents, you shouldn't still be roaming around the house, let alone finding her dancing in the living room.

 

[drifter139]

When you chat to Bikini Girl\Elektra, it says "Codex updated" after she gives you the info.
Does anyone know where the "codex" is?
Is it implemented, yet?

We've met Amita & Amata in 1 contract + 1 main mission, even got head off one of them before the mission.
Weird that they talk like they don't know me & are meeting me for the first time, when exploring Lucania.

Also, weird that the game called me "Peter", during exploring Lucania.
I don't know how difficult it is to pick up the user's chosen name, but there it is.

Even more weird, is finding Gracie in the living room, in the evening, do her dancing.
Would've thought she'd struggle to dance, with a bullet in her!
Mind you, she seems pretty relaxed in the bath, in the morning.
Surely these should've been taken out of the daily sequences, after what happened in 09.5.

*Edit, just seen codex is coming in Season 2, after the new combat system is introduced.
So, as it stands, I need to wait about another year to see what info she gave me. lol
Not sure my memory's up to that.
Still, seems rather odd to point users to something which does not yet exist in the game.

HopesGaming some continuity errors above mate.

the thing about meeting Amita and Amata and them not knowing you is supposed to be a tutorial for new saves. you will see that starting a new save and talking to Wilfred will put you into it which gives you an idea of how it works taking contracts. despite our differences in views, I can at least give you an idea of what it means

 

[whichone]

My point is, after Gracie is shot, that's supposed to be the end of all contents, you shouldn't still be roaming around the house, let alone finding her dancing in the living room.

Why not? Says who?
Players may still want to increase their cash, by doing contracts.
There are many reasons why people will still be roaming around the house.

Also, if it exists now, it will still exist when Season 2 arrives & we are supposed to be roaming around the house.

 

[drifter139]

My point is, after Gracie is shot, that's supposed to be the end of all contents, you shouldn't still be roaming around the house, let alone finding her dancing in the living room.

my guess is it's meant for you to finish up anything you've left undone. it's like the game A House in the Rift where the update finishes but you can still roam and find stuff

 

[drifter139]

It doesn't mean anything, except for the fact that unless Hopes forces people to do Exploring Lucania, before doing any contracts, it can still be presented out of sequence.

as I've said, it's meant to act as a tutorial. plus it shows you various characters you might interact with such as the sisters or the other soldatos

 

[whichone]

as I've said, it's meant to act as a tutorial. plus it shows you various characters you might interact with such as the sisters or the other soldatos

Yes, it's a tutorial. So it needs to happen first.
It needs to be forced to happen first, otherwise it can happen out of sequence.

If I'm a new player & I do The Delivery Boy, before I do all of Exploring Lucania & meeting them, then it does happen out of sequence.
As a new player, I'm gonna want money pretty quickly, for the wine & the jeans, etc. so I'm quite likely to jump into Contracts, as soon as they're available.
So they need to be locked, until the player has completed all mini-events in Exploring Lucania, to prevent the possibility of it happening out of sequence.
Hence me pointing it out to Hopes, so that he can make sure it happens in the correct sequence, as it's obviously intended.
Maybe he's already done that, I haven't started a new game, so don't know.
But, letting him know in case he hasn't.

Fucking hell, it's like pulling teeth.

 

[TimHawk]

*edit: OK, so Antonio was initially marked as being 30. Luna 19 & Gracie 18.
AFAIK, MC is same age as the girls. So Antonio is officially 11\12 years older than MC.

Alright fellow truth seeker , I tried to get a better grip on the actual age of the MC, since 11-12 years would have really messed with the possibility of Antonio and the MC being half brothers.

The MC had to either be born, or Rina had to have been visibly pregnant, for the MC to be included in the contract as a punishment.

That would have made Antonio at least 10-11 years old at the time and I think the absolute youngest one can be to not remember that there was "another" father before, is optimistically 5-6 years old. So that would have thrown a really big wrench into the Antonio brother theory.

Since we have no info on the MC himself, I had to find something or someone that is connected to the MC and from whom we can extrapolate the age, and as it turns out Jalen is the perfect candidate.

They met in a private school(basically highschool) and as we all know, in terms of social interactions the younger one is, the more closely their friends are in age, so I'm giving that a generous maximum of a 1-2 year difference in age between the MC and Jalen.

We also know, from the email we get from Jalen very early in the game, that he left his job as a lawyer to return to his family.

To study law you need a college degree and most people graduate from law school at the age of 25-26. We further know, that Jalen returned to his family before or around the same time that the MC got recruited due to his contract.

That leads me to believe, that the most likely estimate of how old the MC is, is : 24-26. And if I take everything into consideration, I'm strongly leaning towards the high end of that estimate, so much so, that if I had to pick one age I would go with 26.

If you look back at the start of the post, this fits WAY better with the Antonio brother theory, because that would have made Antonio somewhere between 2 and 4 when the "punishment" happened, which would make it much more likely that Antonio has no memory of his real father.

P.S. : Now watch Hope pop up, and after we did all the hard work, reply "Yep, that convinced me, if anyone asks, the MC is 26." Which is when I'm gonna find out where he lives and throw 3 day old fish through his windows !!!

 

[TimHawk]

25-26?? What country is that?
In England, you start university at 18 & finish at 21\22.

Highschool - ends at 18-19 --> College - ends at 22-23 --> Law School - ends at 25-26.

 

[TimHawk]

We finish school at 16, start college at that age.
University does not begin until 17/18, after 2 years at college where we gain A Levels, degree courses finish at 21-22.

There is one more step, but I didn't know the specifics in the UK either. I found this

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, so basically after finishing your undergraduate degree you need to study again at a law school.

At least that's how I understood it.

 

[TimHawk]

We used to finish school at 16 with O Levels. Now they're called GCSE's, but have roughly the same education level.
Then we did 2 further years, at college, to gain A Levels, which qualified us for entry to a university degree course.
These begin at 17\18.

We had 6th Form, which was basically an extra year of school, but doing higher education.
This extra year counted towards your further eductation.

But university starts at 18 normally, finishes at 21.
17 for adavnced kids.

I just did a quick googledy goo and it's really weird in the UK.

"The qualification age would be 24 or 25. People qualifying in their late 20s to early 30s was not the norm."

And now that average seems to have gone up to almost 30.

"Across the pond in the United States, law is a four-year postgraduate course following a three-year undergraduate course, so lawyers will not complete their studies and take the Bar exams until they are 25-26. The average age of those entering the profession in the United States would therefore not be too dissimilar to the 29 here in England and Wales."

I honestly have no clue what the hell is going on over there

 

[TimHawk]

It's sequential mate.

We finish school at 16, the legal age to begin work.
Then we either go to work, or college, depending on our grades when leaving school.
If you get high enough grades in your school education, you qualify for college education, which does 2 extra years for A Levels.
If you get good enough grades in your A Levels, you qualify for university education, which does 3-4 extra years for a Bachelor degree.
Then we have postgraduate Master's degree, which takes a further 1.5 - 2 years.

I dont know if the game takes place in a fictional country or an actual one, but I just found this :

"Decades of surveys have produced two important global facts:—

• Average age of Year 1 law students worldwide is 24.
• Average global duration of the legal qualifying process is 7–10 years.

So if we roll with 24, 24-25-26 seem to be the global average, but if the game takes place in the UK, then I'll obviously defer to your expertise over the global average. So what age would Jalen have to be at the minimum if he works as a full Lawyer ?

 

[TimHawk]

It takes 3 years to gain a Law degree.
Jalen would leave university at 21\22 with a Bachelor's in Law.
Then it takes another year to get on the

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.
Once you're on the Bar, you're a barrister.

Damnit, then if the game takes place in the UK the estimated age would have to be considerably lower, by as much as 3-4 years, which would put Antonios age in the "danger zone" again.

 

[Cartageno]

Okay, let me start on how it works in Germany ... well, better not, our education system is a mess for those not accustomed to it (the structure is complicated, not wanting to imply the quality is bad). And back in the day there used to be a huge gap between theory and practice at universities regarding the time studying takes - with the Bologna process it has been streamlined somewhat but especially in law people may take way longer than the theoretical number set by the curriculum (unlike other countries we don't have set years at university). Never mention that we have a year more school than the UK and stuff like that.

What I mean to say is: this stuff varies by country and unless we have somebody from actual Italy with knowledge about how they are doing it, we can only speculate.

 

[TimHawk]

Man all of this law crap really is a rat maze. I guess trying to guess the MC's age by figureing out Jalen's age wasn't as conclusive as I had hoped. So now depending on whatever country the game takes place in and the customs to becoming a lawyer there, the MC's age might differ from 23 to 29. This sucks !

 

[TimHawk]

Thought MC is the same age as the girls? 18\19.
Luna is the elder of the 2, I don't think he's older than her.

That would literally make me fall off my chair

 

[TimHawk]

As shown above, at uni of Milan, you can gain LLB in 2 years. So, if Jalen was a talented student who began his course at 17, he could be finished by the same age, 19.

I respect your opinion, but for this to be the least bit credible, at least from my point of view, the MC would have to be at least 22-23. Because otherwise we need a super gifted Jalen, or that a 9 year old must've become best friends with a 13 year old or something similiar.

Has anyone ever asked Hope or is that connected to some spoiler ?

Ahhh screw it !!!

HopesGaming How old is the MC at the current time ?

 

[whichone]

I respect your opinion, but for this to be the least bit credible, at least from my point of view, the MC would have to be at least 22-23. Because otherwise we need a super gifted Jalen, or that a 9 year old must've become best friends with a 13 year old or something similiar.

Has anyone ever asked Hope or is that connected to some spoiler ?

Ahhh screw it !!!

@@HopesGaming How old is the MC at the current time ?

It's not an opinion. It's a fact.
Jalen could be qualified (LLB) by 19.
Which would put him in the same age bracket as Luna.

For it to be credible?
You don't get much more credible than direct statements from Oxford, Cambridge, the University of Milan, or the University of Turin.
Bachelor of Law is 3 years, average. If Jalen began uni at 17\18, he's 20\21 when he finishes.
If he did a 2 year course, he's 19\20.