Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[whichone]

I would say it is a pretty huge presumption that it would be set in NA given all the things mentioned (town name, people names, look of the town - even though that one is not Italian but Alpine by architecture - the crime families (though some exist in the US), other Italian terms) just because some others do it. On the other hand, there is nothing at all pointing towards it being America at all that I would remember, best we can go for would be "some unnamed country with its own rules".

lol That makes it an assumption. By literal definition.
It has no supporting evidence, other than "some other non NA devs have set their game there".
Well, in that case, this guy I know is a mechanic, so that means every other guy is, too. Right?

The other thing for MC's age, is the playground spat with Dominico.
I presume that he's roughly same age as MC, hence the rivalry.
He does not behave anything like a 25-26 year old man, his behaviour is much more teenage.
Particularly when talking to his Mother & MC.
If he's 6-7 years younger than MC, I don't see him as being a rival. He's just a kid.

This supports them both being 19-20ish. MC is just quite a bit more mentally mature.

 

[Cartageno]

MC is just quite a bit more mentally mature.

Though in general, mental maturity and physical age are correlated at best, and this is a phase in life where it shows a lot. Many early twentysomethings already have a job and maybe started a family while others still live in mom's basement getting called up for dinner ("it's your favorite"). And even without the outside conditions differing, some people are behaving adult-y from their mid teens, while others are still "staying young" when thirty.

 

[whichone]

Though in general, mental maturity and physical age are correlated at best, and this is a phase in life where it shows a lot. Many early twentysomethings already have a job and maybe started a family while others still live in mom's basement getting called up for dinner ("it's your favorite"). And even without the outside conditions differing, some people are behaving adult-y from their mid teens, while others are still "staying young" when thirty.

True.
Also, think about how much age gaps change, as you get older.
When I was 15, hanging out with someone 18 was a pretty big deal. Hanging out with someone who's 12 just would not happen.
Hanging out with someone 10-20 years older, or younger, is nothing now.
So, with Dominico behaving like he's circa 19, if MC was 26, that's a lot older, from Dom's perspective. The age gap is more than 1/3 of Dom's life.
Which would make their rivalry utterly ridiculous.

Also, take his messing about with the girls. I'm not sure any Mother would be so blase about a mid 20's guy being in their 18yr old daughter's bedroom.
If he's 7-8 years older than Gracie, that's verging on "taking advantage of her" territory.
A guy her own age is far more plausible, from that perspective.

They all, every single one, treat him as a young man, not a grown man.
Now, some of that could be a result of him being new to their world & wet behind the ears, but there's a limit to how far that reaches.
The treatment of MC as a young man far exceeds it.

Having conclusively proven that it's entirely plausible for Jalen to be 19\20, I honestly can't see anything which feasibly puts MC being much (if any) older than Luna.

 

[Jimayo]

No, it's not.
Even if it was, it's still better than an assumption, which you're making.

Their names are Italian, the town name is Italian, La Cosa Nostra is Italian.
The dev being European & living in Europe means he's obviously familiar with the European education system.
The age of graduation which we're discussing fits exactly with the European education system.
No, not probable at all.

Yes, cause there's no italians in NA he says to a man that lives in a city with a 1/3 italian population.

 

[Jimayo]

I would say it is a pretty huge presumption that it would be set in NA given all the things mentioned (town name, people names, look of the town - even though that one is not Italian but Alpine by architecture - the crime families (though some exist in the US), other Italian terms) just because some others do it. On the other hand, there is nothing at all pointing towards it being America at all that I would remember, best we can go for would be "some unnamed country with its own rules

Are you guys for real? I live in Sault Ste. Marie, french. My best friend is Simione Carlucci, itialian, this is NA we're a fucking hodge podge of europe both names of people and of cities.

 

[whichone]

Yes, cause there's no italians in NA he says to a man that lives in a city with a 1/3 italian population.

The US has a rough total of 5% of its population being of Italian descent. 17.8M of 334M.
There are far more in Italy. 92%, 54.3M of 59.1M.
It's far more probable (3 x the people, 18 x the %) to encounter an Italian name in Italy, than in the US.

The US has 60 places with Italian names, or names derived from Italian places.
Italy has over 956 cities, all with Italian names.
It's far more probable (15 x the places) to encounter an Italian named place in Italy, than in the US.

The dev is European. The game name is Italian. The family first names are Italian. The town name is Italian. La Cosa Nostra is Italian.
Yet , despite all of this, you somehow think it's more likely to be set in the US, than in Italy.
Wow, just wow.

The age proposed for MC fits with the European education system, exactly.
It does not fit with the US education system, at all.
If MC was 25-26 (US age for Law graduate), then his playground spat "rivalry" with Dominico, who behaves like a teenager, becomes utterly fucking ridiculous & implausible.
The fact that every single character in the game treats MC like a young man, not a man.
All fits with him being 19-20.
Which, again, fits with it being in Europe.
Every single piece of available evidence indisputably points to Europe. Individually & collectively.

The only thing you've provided in supposed support of it being set in the US, is "other non NA devs have set their game there". Which means absolutely nothing in relation to this game.
But, of course, it's the US. Yeah, clearly.
Take your head out of that bankrupt country's ass. There's a big world out there & it does not revolve around the US.

 

[TimHawk]

I have to say, Jalen does not look like a 18-19 year old, he looks more like a man in his mid 20's, where as the MC more early 20's. But it's obviously almost impossible to nail such small differences with renders, that almost always only works within 10 year gaps.

 

[TimHawk]

Aye, I was at the same part just the full pic, like this



I guess it's the way he carries himself too, and I assume the beard has a huge effect on how old one thinks he is. Beards can even fool you in real life and make people look 5+ years older.

 

[drifter139]

Aye, I was at the same part just the full pic, like this

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I guess it's the way he carries himself too, and I assume the beard has a huge effect on how old one thinks he is. Beards can even fool you in real life and make people look 5+ years older.

can confirm. I'm 33 and look like I'm 37 with my beard. also I wouldn't bother arguing with the other guy about the characters and lore. it could be Hopes and he would still insist he knows more than Hopes about the game. just so you know, I'm talking about the guy named whichone. dude wouldn't listen when I tried to explain the new tutorial for exploring at the start of a new game

 

[TimHawk]

Bro you know how there is a "current thoughts" line when you check the profiles and it always updates depending on how far into the game you are ?

I just checked Antonio's after the Straffan office accident and Antonio's changed too

"So Straffan is not the real son..."

Do you think that it could be a hint from Hope that supports our Antonio brother theory ? As in Antonio is also not the son of who everything believes is his father ?

 

[whichone]

Aye, I was at the same part just the full pic, like this

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I guess it's the way he carries himself too, and I assume the beard has a huge effect on how old one thinks he is. Beards can even fool you in real life and make people look 5+ years older.

Yes, the authority he carries can certainly add a few years to the impression he leaves.

Bro you know how there is a "current thoughts" line when you check the profiles and it always updates depending on how far into the game you are ?

I just checked Antonio's after the Straffan office accident and Antonio's changed too

"So Straffan is not the real son..."

Do you think that it could be a hint from Hope that supports our Antonio brother theory ? As in Antonio is also not the son of who everything believes is his father ?

Yes, they're all fretting about Gracie, currently. They change with major events in the game.
Doubtful they're connected, tbh.
It was outright stated, in game, that Straffan is not Giocabbe's son.

 

[TimHawk]

can confirm. I'm 33 and look like I'm 37 with my beard. also I wouldn't bother arguing with the other guy about the characters and lore. it could be Hopes and he would still insist he knows more than Hopes about the game. just so you know, I'm talking about the guy named whichone. dude wouldn't listen when I tried to explain the new tutorial for exploring at the start of a new game

Nah he is legit and very passionate about the game. Some people confuse him being factual with him being rude but that's just not true. Been discussing with him for hours and days and never once a problem.

 

[TimHawk]

Doubtful they're connected, tbh.
It was outright stated, in game, that Straffan is not Giocabbe's son.

Yea but think about it, Straffan treated him like a nobody and was rude to his mother, but

"So Straffan is not the real son..."

was his thought afterwards, that is at least a little bit odd

 

[whichone]

Nah he is legit and very passionate about the game. Some people confuse him being factual with him being rude but that's just not true. Been discussing with him for hours and days and never once a problem.

Thank you.
We've disagreed, but always found & understood each others' reasoning.

I'm not responding to childish, passive aggressive shit like that. It warrants a place on my ignore list.

Yea but think about it, Straffan treated him like a nobody and was rude to his mother, but

"So Straffan is not the real son..."

was his thought afterwards, that is at least a little bit odd

I don't see why you find it odd?

To me, we've\he's just found out something relatively big, so his thoughts are on that, at that time.
I honestly think that's pretty normal.

 

[TimHawk]

Thank you.
We've disagreed, but always found & understood each others' reasoning.

I'm not responding to childish, passive aggressive shit like that. It warrants a place on my ignore list.

I don't see why you find it odd?

To me, we've\he's just found out something relatively big, so his thoughts are on that, at that time.
I honestly think that's pretty normal.

It's big for Straffan's father since he has to decide his heir, but knowing Antonio's temper I would've expected something like

"Who does he think he is ? Treating me like that and insulted my mother!"

And a discussion without disagreement is a waste of time, we are here to add to each others theories and come up with cool new stuff not to prove being right or "winning" an argument, it's all moot anyway, the only one who can win arguments is Hope.

 

[TimHawk]

I'd expect Antonio to have been thinking stuff like that, before Straffan was killed.
Afterwards, his mind can move to other major things, such as the shock discovery that Straffan was not his real son.

Oh that is from BEFORE they hunt and kill him, hell even before he knows that Straffan will attack them.

That's where my "odd" came from

 

[TimHawk]

Hmm, I can't remember now, don't we only find out he's not Giocabbe's real son, during the conversation between him & Cordia, in the park?
Wasn't that after the mission?

Lemme give you a timeline since I just played it.

Antonio and Wilfred in office, MC is bodyguard, Cordia not home yet or busy.

Straffan lips of to Antonio, Cordia walks in with Serpent.

Wilfred shoots Straffan, who then leaves bitching.

Cordia tells Antonio that Straffan is not the real son.

THEN we get the thought I mentioned.

After that he betrays the Deluca's and THEN comes the attack.

 

[whichone]

Lemme give you a timeline since I just played it.

Antonio and Wilfred in office, MC is bodyguard, Cordia not home yet or busy.

Straffan lips of to Antonio, Cordia walks in with Serpent.

Wilfred shoots Straffan, who then leaves bitching.

Cordia tells Antonio that Straffan is not the real son.

THEN we get the thought I mentioned.

After that he betrays the Deluca's and THEN comes the attack.

Thanks!

So we & Antonio literally just found out about him not being the real son & he's thinking about it straight away.
In isolation that's quite understandable.
But in the context you mention, with Antonio being angry that Straffan disrespected him, I see where you're coming from.

I guess Wilfred shooting Straffan possibly cooled Antonio's jets? Straffan got what he deserved, so it's dealt with.

Then "Hold on, he's NOT his real son?? Wow, I've known him for years & never saw that coming."

 

[TimHawk]

Thanks!

So we & Antonio literally just found out about him not being the real son & he's thinking about it straight away.
In isolation that's quite understandable.
But in the context you mention, with Antonio being angry that Straffan disrespected him, I see where you're coming from.

I guess Wilfred shooting Straffan possibly cooled Antonio's jets? Straffan got what he deserved, so it's dealt with.
Hold on, he's NOT his real son?? Wow, I've known him for years & never saw that coming.

That's a very good point, maybe he already got his satisfaction from Wilfred blasting his hand off !!! Makes a ton of sense.

 

[TimHawk]

Yeah, kinda "Disrespect me? That's what you get, bitch. I don't even need to dirty my hands."
Satisfied, then needs no further thought.

Yea I can totally see him thinking that and then closing that chapter and then he goes back to "oh so he's not even the real son."