Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[TimHawk]

can confirm. I'm 33 and look like I'm 37 with my beard. also I wouldn't bother arguing with the other guy about the characters and lore. it could be Hopes and he would still insist he knows more than Hopes about the game. just so you know, I'm talking about the guy named whichone. dude wouldn't listen when I tried to explain the new tutorial for exploring at the start of a new game

Nah he is legit and very passionate about the game. Some people confuse him being factual with him being rude but that's just not true. Been discussing with him for hours and days and never once a problem.

 

[TimHawk]

Doubtful they're connected, tbh.
It was outright stated, in game, that Straffan is not Giocabbe's son.

Yea but think about it, Straffan treated him like a nobody and was rude to his mother, but

"So Straffan is not the real son..."

was his thought afterwards, that is at least a little bit odd

 

[whichone]

Nah he is legit and very passionate about the game. Some people confuse him being factual with him being rude but that's just not true. Been discussing with him for hours and days and never once a problem.

Thank you.
We've disagreed, but always found & understood each others' reasoning.

I'm not responding to childish, passive aggressive shit like that. It warrants a place on my ignore list.

Yea but think about it, Straffan treated him like a nobody and was rude to his mother, but

"So Straffan is not the real son..."

was his thought afterwards, that is at least a little bit odd

I don't see why you find it odd?

To me, we've\he's just found out something relatively big, so his thoughts are on that, at that time.
I honestly think that's pretty normal.

 

[TimHawk]

Thank you.
We've disagreed, but always found & understood each others' reasoning.

I'm not responding to childish, passive aggressive shit like that. It warrants a place on my ignore list.

I don't see why you find it odd?

To me, we've\he's just found out something relatively big, so his thoughts are on that, at that time.
I honestly think that's pretty normal.

It's big for Straffan's father since he has to decide his heir, but knowing Antonio's temper I would've expected something like

"Who does he think he is ? Treating me like that and insulted my mother!"

And a discussion without disagreement is a waste of time, we are here to add to each others theories and come up with cool new stuff not to prove being right or "winning" an argument, it's all moot anyway, the only one who can win arguments is Hope.

 

[TimHawk]

I'd expect Antonio to have been thinking stuff like that, before Straffan was killed.
Afterwards, his mind can move to other major things, such as the shock discovery that Straffan was not his real son.

Oh that is from BEFORE they hunt and kill him, hell even before he knows that Straffan will attack them.

That's where my "odd" came from

 

[TimHawk]

Hmm, I can't remember now, don't we only find out he's not Giocabbe's real son, during the conversation between him & Cordia, in the park?
Wasn't that after the mission?

Lemme give you a timeline since I just played it.

Antonio and Wilfred in office, MC is bodyguard, Cordia not home yet or busy.

Straffan lips of to Antonio, Cordia walks in with Serpent.

Wilfred shoots Straffan, who then leaves bitching.

Cordia tells Antonio that Straffan is not the real son.

THEN we get the thought I mentioned.

After that he betrays the Deluca's and THEN comes the attack.

 

[whichone]

Lemme give you a timeline since I just played it.

Antonio and Wilfred in office, MC is bodyguard, Cordia not home yet or busy.

Straffan lips of to Antonio, Cordia walks in with Serpent.

Wilfred shoots Straffan, who then leaves bitching.

Cordia tells Antonio that Straffan is not the real son.

THEN we get the thought I mentioned.

After that he betrays the Deluca's and THEN comes the attack.

Thanks!

So we & Antonio literally just found out about him not being the real son & he's thinking about it straight away.
In isolation that's quite understandable.
But in the context you mention, with Antonio being angry that Straffan disrespected him, I see where you're coming from.

I guess Wilfred shooting Straffan possibly cooled Antonio's jets? Straffan got what he deserved, so it's dealt with.

Then "Hold on, he's NOT his real son?? Wow, I've known him for years & never saw that coming."

 

[TimHawk]

Thanks!

So we & Antonio literally just found out about him not being the real son & he's thinking about it straight away.
In isolation that's quite understandable.
But in the context you mention, with Antonio being angry that Straffan disrespected him, I see where you're coming from.

I guess Wilfred shooting Straffan possibly cooled Antonio's jets? Straffan got what he deserved, so it's dealt with.
Hold on, he's NOT his real son?? Wow, I've known him for years & never saw that coming.

That's a very good point, maybe he already got his satisfaction from Wilfred blasting his hand off !!! Makes a ton of sense.

 

[TimHawk]

Yeah, kinda "Disrespect me? That's what you get, bitch. I don't even need to dirty my hands."
Satisfied, then needs no further thought.

Yea I can totally see him thinking that and then closing that chapter and then he goes back to "oh so he's not even the real son."

 

[whichone]

Yea I can totally see him thinking that and then closing that chapter and then he goes back to "oh so he's not even the real son."

If you wanna go Latin, I would say "Habet parvum cor sed magnum ubera"

Ha ha ha, nicely done.
Sorry, missed that.

People in France "pleading the fifth" when arrested? Non, monsieur, they will get a funny look.

Can see it now: "Le cinquieme? Quoi?"

 

[Cartageno]

Are you guys for real? I live in Sault Ste. Marie, french. My best friend is Simione Carlucci, itialian, this is NA we're a fucking hodge podge of europe both names of people and of cities.

Yes, we are for real. North America is a hodge podge of names, no disagreement there. But that also serves to make it more probable that it is not NA we're talking about - why is there nothing with English, Spanish, German, French names in the game? Almost everything is Italian. Sure, it might be possible to find some place in the US which was settled predominantly by Italians and thus they are more common in names. And also need a lot of crime families, so it can't be just any 2k settlement. And again, the architecture of the town is decidedly European, not American.

And given that there is no hint at all why it should be NA, no reference to hockey or gridiron football or similar, why not go with the way more probable deduction? Also, Hopes himself said that while he explicitely avoided to name a country to be able to have some artistic freedom, it is heavily based on Italy.

Just because some creators move their stuff to the US - to appeal to a larger audience, or whatever reason - does not mean everybody does. Some things still happen in Europe.

 

[TimHawk]

Yes, we are for real. North America is a hodge podge of names, no disagreement there. But that also serves to make it more probable that it is not NA we're talking about - why is there nothing with English, Spanish, German, French names in the game? Almost everything is Italian. Sure, it might be possible to find some place in the US which was settled predominantly by Italians and thus they are more common in names. And also need a lot of crime families, so it can't be just any 2k settlement. And again, the architecture of the town is decidedly European, not American.

And given that there is no hint at all why it should be NA, no reference to hockey or gridiron football or similar, why not go with the way more probable deduction? Also, Hopes himself said that while he explicitely avoided to name a country to be able to have some artistic freedom, it is heavily based on Italy.

Just because some creators move their stuff to the US - to appeal to a larger audience, or whatever reason - does not mean everybody does. Some things still happen in Europe.

You forgot the most obvious indication that the game does not take place in the US, there is not a single mention of "We've put a fucking flag on the moon !!!" and we usually can't go a week without rubbing that one into everyone's faces

 

[MrHatIsHere]

The game seems to be outright broken. I am told to visit Gina's Tavern to retrieve Wilfred's Wine Bottle, and even after I do it and save, every save after puts me right back on the menu, and I have to visit Gina's Tavern before I can do anything else. How do I stop this?

 

[TimHawk]

The game seems to be outright broken. I am told to visit Gina's Tavern to retrieve Wilfred's Wine Bottle, and even after I do it and save, every save after puts me right back on the menu, and I have to visit Gina's Tavern before I can do anything else. How do I stop this?

I really don't understand what's going on, I started a new playthrough very recently and I've never run into any problem, but you are like the 5th person to complain so ... I don't get it.

Let's see if I can help you anyway. Download the save attached to this post and put it into gamefolder/game/saves, I picked page 16 as to not conflict with any saves you may already have.

On the save only the mission you mentioned is done, the rest is untouched, but I also grinded some money from contracts already, consider that a gift.

Now the only problem is the MC's name, I changed mine to First Last, but I assume that won't do for you, so go here download the attached zip file and unpack it in gamefolder/game.

When you then start the game and load the savefile, hit ALT+M together, a blue window will open with tabs on the top. Click on the Search tab and enter povname then hit enter, it will look like this.



Click on First under Value and change First to your preferred first name, then click change, then X that window.

Go back to the search tab and enter lastname this time, then same procedure as with the first name, after that you can close the blue window.

I hope that'll get you going.

 

[Deleted member 49554]

Thanks you for this update , its really appreciated

 

[whichone]

The MC had to either be born, or Rina had to have been visibly pregnant, for the MC to be included in the contract as a punishment.

Hmmm, I'm not sure that MC's contract is a part of the punishment for his Mother's actions.
Could well be, but what if it's something Cordia drew up?
Knowing Rina's mental state (before exile!!) & with the guilt Cordia feels, perhaps she wanted to help her old friend, by protecting her child?
Maybe even protecting him, from Rina herself?

 

[TimHawk]

Hmmm, I'm not sure that MC's contract is a part of the punishment for his Mother's actions.
Could well be, but what if it's something Cordia drew up?
Knowing Rina's mental state (before exile!!) & with the guilt Cordia feels, perhaps she wanted to help her old friend, by protecting her child?
Maybe even protecting him, from Rina herself?

From how I understood it, only the Pacifactories can exile someone from the entire underworld, so that the ban works both ways. The MC must've been already born or Rina must've shown, otherwise they would've had to first ban her and then go back "Oh and just for the record we want that kid too"

As far as protection, Cordia is certainly very fond of the MC and not just because she is a LI and we will get to fuck her eventually, but she gave the MC all the freedom and she lets him get away with more things than anyone else.

But I still think they all messed up, the dmg to the MC was done, he despises his parents and slowly mends now that he has people who care for him.

They should have taken the MC from birth and gave him a proper home, but again, it seems probable that it was entirely in the Pacifactories hands and outside DeLuca control, we know for example that Steadfast wrote the contract.

 

[TimHawk]

That only works if MC's contract is part of her punishment.
I do not really see any reason why the Pacificatori's would write a contract which assigns an exile's child to the Family she was exiled from, as part of her exile.
Depending on the child, that could end up being more of a punishment to the Family, than it is to the exile.

Isn't that in the game ? On two occasions we get the information that the contract is due to the crimes of the MC's parents, they would have to have been commited while still being part of the underworld. I mean maybe they allow for double punishment.

You know my favorite theory for this ? As I said before Rina and MC's father teamed up and attacked some family and killed a lot of people, including a child of a higher up, maybe even a Don. That Don wanted their heads and Cordia said "No, Rina is pregnant, as a punishment she will forfeit the child as soon as it's of a certain age. The child is innocent, we, the DeLuca's will take care of him." So basically a child for a child. And with that promise they also had to guarantee his safety, hence Antonio's worry that something happens to the MC.

If you or I wanted to draw up a professional contract, we'd probably take to a legal specialist, before getting it signed by the other party.
Could be the same with Pacificatoris.
Go to them with the terms, they write it up & issue it.
Maybe the contract can't come into effect, until the MC is an adult, 18. So they couldn't just take him as a babe, they had to wait.
That would tie into him being 19ish.

It absolutely does tie him into being a lot younger than I thought. And good shout on the contract part

 

[whichone]

Isn't that in the game ? On two occasions we get the information that the contract is due to the crimes of the MC's parents, they would have to have been commited while still being part of the underworld. I mean maybe they allow for double punishment.

Good point.
But, don't forget, "due to the crimes of the parents" still stands.
The only reason Cordia has needed to draw up the contract, in the scenario I proposed, is because of his Mother's crime & exile.
So it's still due to the crimes of the parent(s).

You know my favorite theory for this ? As I said before Rina and MC's father teamed up and attacked some family and killed a lot of people, including a child of a higher up, maybe even a Don. That Don wanted their heads and Cordia said "No, Rina is pregnant, as a punishment she will forfeit the child as soon as it's of a certain age. The child is innocent, we, the DeLuca's will take care of him." So basically a child for a child. And with that promise they also had to guarantee his safety, hence Antonio's worry that something happens to the MC.

Yeah, I like that idea & it definitely fits with what we know about Rina...

 

[TimHawk]

What we need to figure out is why the MC's father was allowed to leave them and return to the underworld.

I mean that has to mean the Pacifactories thought that Rina crime was more severe, right ?