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There is something very odd about the Serpent rank anyway. I think there always have to 4, not 3, not 5.

After the mission with Gracie and Luna when they get attacked and the MC meets Gottardo for the first time, he says :

Gottardo : "I need to be careful, eh? Seems like someone going for a spot in the Four Serpents!"

So if there always have to be 4, there is no "magical" skill level one has to reach, it's simply the best 4 in the family. And Gottardo all but admitted that he doesn't stand a chance against the Serpent, so even among them is a considerate gap in skill.

Serpent probably means : CRAZY good :D
To be a Serpent, you can't just be one of the four best. You also have to come up with a Batman Villain level schtick.
 

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Best of luck brother !!! As a father of two, that sounds about as bad as it gets, so I'm rooting for you to find a good compromise !
Sorry to hear that. I've retracted my snarky response. Take care of yourself.
Sorry guys, sounds worse than it is, she's been good about my weekly time with my daughter. I get tuesdays, thursdays and every other friday 4-8 and sundays 1-8. Just we agreed on occasional overnights when she didn't have to live up to it because my room was occupied by a buddy if mine cause I sleep on the couch and he needed a place to crash. But now he's working down south so the bed is empty and I want my ex to live up to our agreement and she's being a cunt about it. But I was real angry about it.
 

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As far as I remember, you can't save in the middle of a Contract.
Which is what "Exploring Lucania" effectively is.
e.g. You can't save in the middle of "The Delivery Boy", I think any progress you make is only registered when the Contract is completed.

If you want to make a save, during "Exploring Lucania", I think you'll need to select "Leave".
This should save your current progress in the mission, at the point of leaving.
You can also then make a manual save, once you're out of the Contract & back to the main game.
You can always go back in, by talking to Wilfred and selecting "Events".

TDL Fan Art
thanks, never knew such a thread was at F95, usually you find these at deviantart or imgur
 
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whichone

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Sorry dude. I was drunk and angry cause my ex is reneging on our deal about how I get to spend time with my daughter and I took it out on you.
I'm sorry to hear that man.
Don't worry about me - I would much prefer you get the frustration out of your system here, than with your ex.
That wouldn't help anyone. Most of all, your child.
Thank you for apologising, I'm sorry if I antagonised you.

I hope things get resolved in a manner which allows you to see your daughter. (y)
it's important for her, too.
I said about power,not about rank.As i remember,serpets shows respect only to Cordia.In underworld power means everythink.Without it people will look down.
To be fair, I think "power" in this structrue comes from "rank".
As in, the higher your rank, the greater your power.
Serpent probably means : CRAZY good :D
lol Agreed, I refer you back to our previous convo, where I gave the analogy of Special Forces.
e.g. Serpents are SAS & other Families have GIS\SEALS\Le Commando Hubert\GIGN\KSK\Spetznaz, or JW GROM. Take your pick.
I guess from reading that article that what is meant is that the 16% that have never left their state also never left the country (obviously), so bumping that number up. I. e. 16% never left their state or the country, 14% left the state but not the country. All in all then 30% never left the country.
I was thinking that the 16%, who've never left their home State, includes the 14% who've never left the country.
Not sure they're added together, for 30%. :unsure:

Does seem that it should be the other way around, though, as jaw1986baby pointed out.
One who's never left their State has, of course, never left their country.
Whereas one who has left their home State, may still have not left the country.
Country % should be, at least, equal to State %.

16% matches the headline of "1 in 6 Americans have never left their State".
14% is 1/7.
Maybe Martha Stewart got her numbers transposed? lol

To be fair, the survey was only 2k people, so it's not an accurate representation for 330+M people.
Same as a few ex-pats do not represent the whole of Italy.
Depends where those people were from, too.
If they're from affluent areas, then it could well be higher, nationwide.
Conversely, if they're from areas with high poverty, then it could well be lower, nationwide.
 
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To be fair, the survey was only 2k people, so it's not an accurate representation for 330+M people.
Actually, if the sample is selected properly, ideally completely randomly, and the questions do not allow for too many options, sample size does not matter that much anymore. And as counterintuitive as it may seem, the number of actual people doesn't matter anymore at all beyond a certain threshold. A 2k people sample will be just as accurate for, say, 2 million Slovenes as it would be for 1.4 billion Chinese. A 2k sample size is already pretty good - again in the theoretical best case of a proper sampling method, the error will usually not exceed 1 percentage point.

Edit: math was off, corrected.
 
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Actually, if the sample is selected properly, ideally completely randomly, and the questions do not allow for too many options, sample size does not matter that much anymore. And as counterintuitive as it may seem, the number of actual people doesn't matter anymore at all beyond a certain threshold. A 2k people sample will be just as accurate for, say, 2 million Slovenes as it would be for 1.4 billion Chinese. A 2k sample size is already pretty good - again in the theoretical best case of a proper sampling method, the error will usually not exceed 0.5 percentage points.
Had a thought:

Based on Giocabbe saying that, during the war, she was "an unknown, fighting the 5 Families" (credit TimHawk), it seems clear that Cordia was not a known member of any Family, at the time of the war.
We also know that the other 3 Serpents subsequently left.

So it stands to reason that The DeLuca Family only came into existence, after the war.

The only part that's not clear, is whether the other 3 Serpents had already left.
As the Family name is hers, I'd guess that they had.
If the other 3 were still there, then they'd all have had equal claim for their name being used as the Family's.
If she was the only one left, then her name being used is unchallenged.
Pew Research which is well respected for data and polls



Says as of 2021 August 27% of US Americans have never left their home country

Did not mention home state but I am happy to see it larger than the 16% from your source.

;)
 

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Pew Research which is well respected for data and polls



Says as of 2021 August 27% of US Americans have never left their home country

Did not mention home state but I am happy to see it larger than the 16% from your source.

;)
Blimey! That makes Cartageno's suggestion of 30% closer to the mark!

I shouldn't be surprised, though.
When you consider that their country (9.8M sq m) is a similar size to Europe (10.2M sq m), going to a neighbouring State is similar to me travelling from London, to France.
Paris is 330 miles away.
Texas is circa 770 miles wide.
 
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Had a thought:

Based on Giocabbe saying that, during the war, she was "an unknown, fighting the 5 Families" (credit TimHawk), it seems clear that Cordia was not a known member of any Family, at the time of the war.
We also know that the other 3 Serpents subsequently left.

So it stands to reason that The DeLuca Family only came into existence, after the war.

The only part that's not clear, is whether the other 3 Serpents had already left.
As the Family name is hers, I'd guess that they had.
If the other 3 were still there, then they'd all have had equal claim for their name being used as the Family's.
If she was the only one left, then her name being used is unchallenged.
Nice one !

Still busy with work, so I can't even check myself, so please check the second Elektra interaction, there should be two choices, "red" and "Deluca", the "Deluca" one, at least I think so, is where Elektra states that all four OG Serpents took on the Deluca last name.
 
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Nice one !

Still busy with work, so I can't even check myself, so please check the second Elektra interaction, there should be two choices, "red" and "Deluca", the "Deluca" one, at least I think so, is where Elektra states that all four OG Serpents took on the Deluca last name.
Ah, OK, so their betrayal (as Giocabbe says) sounds like it came after the Family was formed.
As we know Dante left, I wonder whether him doing so was considered him betraying her.

As in, they all betrayed her, but differently.
Dante by leaving.
Rina by whatever she did to get exiled.
Burned out Serpent (who was seemingly in a relationship with Cordia, in the photo) either cheating with Rina, or manipulating Rina into her betrayal.
 
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Had a thought:

Based on Giocabbe saying that, during the war, she was "an unknown, fighting the 5 Families" (credit TimHawk), it seems clear that Cordia was not a known member of any Family, at the time of the war.
We also know that the other 3 Serpents subsequently left.

So it stands to reason that The DeLuca Family only came into existence, after the war.

The only part that's not clear, is whether the other 3 Serpents had already left.
As the Family name is hers, I'd guess that they had.
If the other 3 were still there, then they'd all have had equal claim for their name being used as the Family's.
If she was the only one left, then her name being used is unchallenged.
Having read and gone through Hopes lore section, I can say with certainty that all of those assumptions will be answered with that content.
Some of the assumptions that people have been putting out may be correct (even surprisingly on point heh), some may not be correct.
Won't go into more detail than that, cause........spoilers. :HideThePain:


What I can reveal is,

the Lore section will contain; from the draft I've seen from Hopes, though I guess he can decide to add more entries if he wants-

- 15 Families (this includes the Big Five, both past and present) entries + 1 Pacificatori entry, which chronicles their history

as well as;

2 Historical events, one which is a pre-Big War time period named "Grande Caos", and of course the other time period being "The Big War"
 
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JJJ84

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Ohh great chaos, right?

So Hopes has finally decided to include me in the novel. About time, I would say!

Let's see if we finally get dragons too!!




What? I am a certified supervillain, I can be as self-centered as I want!
You're basically there in every timeline, so I can certainly picture this with you :KEK:

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I very much agree. I find myself shifting back and forth between the MC's father being the 4th serpent or not.

There are some things that just make me feel iffy either way, like Trino gets a bullet to the head right there and then and that's for relaying a location. And yet both the MC's father and mother are still alive and kicking.

From what we've been told, they must have done something so out of the world fucked up, that they were not just exiled, the DeLuca's and Pacifactories conspired to keep it a secret and forged documents and shit, like how the fuck are they still alive ? :D

And what bothers me the most is, that people regard Rina with compassion and they all hate the MC's father. I sometimes just can't believe that cheating would do it, although Antonio being the MC's half brother would be amazing.
After replaying the game, my opinion is that the 4th serpent isn't the father. I will detail my thoughts.

If everyone from the Deluca family hate the father, it could be because he is the Silverino Don (Nero also ressembles MC quite a lot). Since this Silverino family is depicted as manipulative and conspiring, they could have had a big plan to merge one of the strongest family (Deluca) with them by having a heir from both family. Quinzio states that MC has a role from Silverino family, which would be this one.

Rina would have been the "true" heir of DeLuca Family (or at least a candidate), giving the MC the possible right to reign over 2 big families. Silverino would absorb Deluca and grow their power and influence by a big margin without having to start a war.

Other families would have heard of this plan and of the child (MC) and decided to eliminate him to prevent this merger that would break the balance and Rina's pregnancy with an enemy don would have been seen as a betrayal from Deluca family. With assassins sent on her tracks by other families and no support from Deluca's Family because of her betrayal, she would have killed lots of people, including big shots from different families, explaining her exile from the underworld.

Before leaving peacefully without more blood spilled, she would have signed a contract with Pacificatori and Deluca and Silverino to ensure her and her child (MC) safety by saying that her child would go back to the Deluca Family and be protected by Silverino from afar after a certain age. Being one of Deluca's potential heirs, it explains him being in the mansion, wilfred speaking to him like a core family member and protected from afar all his life. His mother would have been harsh on MC to prepare for mafia world to ensure his survival in this world.

This would also explain why DeLuca watch MC from a long time and why Wilfred kind of gives vibes of wanting to see how MC grows as a leader and potential future Don. Wilfred is very cunning and plans on very long-term. By using MC he could make the Deluca Family grows at the top, explaining also why he lets MC be close to the sisters, to make MC fond of Deluca's side and not his father side (Silverino).

Concerning future events, MC already has a team of competent people around him and this team could have some logic. I had this thought on the Fawkes kidnap mission after saving him from the car where you get to chose a line to tell him he is a nice guy. MC's position and the others around him gave me this birth of a "new family" vibe. He could create his own group which would be Deluca based but with addition :

Leader : MC

Consigliere : Gracie (Top strategist like Wilfred with good physical potential)

Serpents level : Luna (being Luna :ROFLMAO:), Fawkes (potential since MC seems to have gain his respect), maybe others in the future

Assassin unit Capo : Eiza (good potential if well trained)

Stealth Unit Capo : Joey (in stealth unit)

Intel unit Capo : Siobhan
She is a potential ally since from Story 11, we see that she respects MC and MC probably triggered her will to become next Ombra's heir to change her family and not just suffer the situation from their discussion during the warehouse attack. She also states that she wants to reform the Ombra's family and have principles which MC have also shown (not using any relatives or innocent people...) and since Efrem's code live within Eiza and that MC is Eiza's boss... It is possible she would also become an antagonist but it is 90% chance to become an ally in my opinion.

MC also has Elektra's support that could become interesting in the future inside the Family. He also seems well appreciated from support people like Gina, Bianca who seems friendly.

I saw comments saying that Gracie would become heir with MC as consigliere but I think he has more the Don type of approach than Gracie. He reads very well people which is Gracie's weakness.

In my opinion, it wouldn't be a coup d'etat in Deluca's Family but a generational change. Antonio doesn't seem fit to be next Don, he undeniably has potential to be the 3rd man of the family but lacks the strategic and cunning side to be a successful don of the family. Cordia would give him the Don position and retire from the first plan.
 

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Thank you for your answers on my ideas :)

I like the ideas behind a lot of what you wrote, but please explain how you arrived at this conclusion?

Rina was exiled, so any claim she may have had to leadership of the DeLuca Family ended, at that moment.
Plus, as soon as the actual head, Cordia, gave birth to Antonio 30 years ago, a legitimate & indisputable heir was present.
As Rina had no legitimate claim (certainly not after exile) & MC was born a good while after Antonio (also presumably after Rina's exile), I don't see any reason for MC to have any type of legitimate claim to be head of the DeLuca Family, either.
My point is did Cordia become the leader before or after Antonio's birth ? This was never precisely said and could be an interesting chronology point. It is said that she took the leader position years ago (Giacobbe/Nasazi stated that) but not 3-4 decades ago. So the possibility of Cordia becoming leader after Antonio's birth is quite strong in my opinion, hence her taking the leadership after Rina's betrayal with her pregnancy with Silverino's current Don.


I'm not sure that her needing MC, to raise her own & her Family's profile (she told us how poorly her husband is running them, seems like she wants to take over), is the same thing as supporting him.
She told us that, as they are now a low ranking Family, she doesn't have access to the high up information.
So it seems that the only "support" she can really give him, is some (so far) obscure information about his Father, from a long time ago.
I understand. My point was that he is starting to get support from all parts and levels of the big family. He has support from some men/women of the core family, of the special units, and with elektra's future branch from the outskirts of the family. He kind of grow his web step by step.


There is no evidence that he was "protected" from afar, but there is evidence that he was watched & the skills he displayed were noted.
There's a vast difference.

His Mother being one of Cordia's older friends & the regret she shows when she talks about Rina, would also easily explain MC being in the mansion, etc.
Part of the Contract, perhaps?
In Gildart's flashback during the ombra mission where Wilfred and his unit were watching MC from afar, Gildart ask Wilfred if he should intervene. So is it a small hint of an observation/protection ? I saw it that way.

He's a bit hot-headed (Sonny Corleone?), as per when he executed Trino, but the mission for Straffan was a success (in part due to Gracie) & that's the only time we've seen him in action.
Not sure why you think that someone (presumably) trained to be Don from a young age by The Blizzard Queen & Wilfred, would not be fit to be Don.
I am not saying he hasn't any Don like skills but I was saying that his short-temper, his sloppiness agains smaller enemies isn't fit of the next Don. Maybe he has time to learn etc...
I was saying that currently, I don't see him fit for N°1 position. 2-3 is a good fit, which he currently is and seems to do a good job at this position.

For the Don succession, I think Dons have a leniency to chose someone other than the first born. I mean, if not that, Siobhan wouldn't say that she will fight to be the next Donna. She could just wait to become the next one since she is first born of Nazazi but she states that she will fight for it. So there is a possibility of having some leniency on the next Don choice.
 
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I think,that Rina's exile was for specific actions.Don't look for the worst crimes.As we know,Pervez successfully cosplays red wedding with the manners of Hannibal Lecter.Yes, it’s hard for him to look for allies, but no one expelled him.

And the fact that Cordia remembers her contrary to other rumors does not contradict. There is a parallel with the Luna. Most people call her crazy,maniac, but we can see other sides of her, right?
 

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I think Grace will be the MC nemesis. They show how the two are two sides of the same coin, with different philosophies and approaches. Wilfred even said how great it would be the two of them working together with their full potential. One is the thesis, the other the antithesis and the synthesis is the conflict between the two of them. She even says she'll kill the MC if he tries to hurt anybody. I may be over overanalyzing things, but I think this could be foreshadowing.
 

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I think Grace will be the MC nemesis. They show how the two are two sides of the same coin, with different philosophies and approaches. Wilfred even said how great it would be the two of them working together with their full potential. One is the thesis, the other the antithesis and the synthesis is the conflict between the two of them. She even says she'll kill the MC if he tries to hurt anybody. I may be over overanalyzing things, but I think this could be foreshadowing.
She says she'll kill anybody trying to hurt the MC, that's quite the difference there, mate. :D
 

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She says she'll kill anybody trying to hurt the MC, that's quite the difference there, mate. :D
No, she especifically threatened the MC in the warehouse quest, when she discovers his plan, you even have the option to say something like "I don't like to be threatened".
 
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