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I think he is only been dedicated to S2 full time for a month and before was mostly steam so probably be a bit. Unless you are talking about the steam update then my bad
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Pawning sons is an important part of ancient world history. It was especially common in the kingdoms. These contracts were made for many reasons, the most common being to enforce loyalty by pledging one or more sons as hostages, or as a sign of trust. Sometimes it was also done to unite two families, e.g. an alliance for the purpose of marriage, etc. One of the best examples is Vlad Dracula and his brother Radu, princes of Wallachia, who were pledged to the Ottoman Empire. These two brothers received the same education and care as the Ottoman princes. As an adult Vlad fought against the Ottomans, while his brother Radu fought against his brother as a valuable friend and general for the Ottoman Sultan. I know that such contracts are still made in the mafia world.
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Another good example is Arminius. Born son of the German Cherusci tribe's chief. Taken as a boy by the Romans, as part of a deal for peace.
Subsequently led the Cherusci in one of the Roman Empire's most notorious defeats, in the Battle of the Teutogburg Forest.
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Exactly, this is a good example from history. In the game, the probable reason for the hostage of the MC is the dispute between the two families. The actual use of this contractual hostage means "If you betray me, your son will die In fact, that's why when mc's friend finds out about this, he threatens the Deluca family "if he gets hurt" because this is the first thought that comes to his mind. But I think it's the other way round, if Mrs DeLuca knows her son's sexual preference, she knows that he can't run the family because such a situation would have serious consequences in the criminal world. Maybe the condition of the deal is a marriage and heirship.
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Certainly plausible. But they've been watching the MC since he was a little child. I don't know if Antonio's sexuality would have been known, at that time, if the contract was already in place when they were watching him in the playground.
I think the contract has something to do with MC's Mother.
We know she was one of the original Serpents, with Cordia.
I think the backstory of MC being poisoned as a child, by his Mother, suggests that she was pretty unstable (despite it later saving his life) & might well have led Cordia to take her old friend's son for protection.
I don't know. I always got the sense she thought she was doing what was best for him and I thought it was because of the contract. Like she thought he'd be better off dead than joining the DeLuca family.
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What, you think the reason Rina poisoned MC was because of the contract? That would mean the contract has existed for a loooong time.
IDK about that. There is nothing I can think of in the game that suggests Rina specifically disliked Cordia, or the Family, to provoke that level of reaction.
Why should she have such an aversion to her son joining them?
More importantly, where did the contract come from & why would she agree to it, if she thought poisoning him was a better option than having him join them?
Her doing that subsequently saved his life.
Who's to know if his Mother was actually preparing him for the harsh realities of the mafia life, or if she had gone a bit mental.
We already know she was a little unhinged when she was a Serpent, so I'm not sure of her capacity to adjust well, once she left that life.
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This is factually incorrect.
It did not lead "to the betrayal of two of the Serpents, one of whom was her fiance".
Her fiance & Rina - the two Serpents - who betrayed them?
They betrayed Cordia, so it led to betrayal by those two Serpents.
It references things we have no idea about, spends 2-3 pages talking about redundant families that no longer exist that are not mentioned in the game.
What "conflict with her own sister"? If you're going to reference it, tell us about it.
Up until that sentence, I don't remember ever hearing about Cordia even having a Sister, never mind them having some form of conflict.
If this "Battle of The Blood" is so "notorious", why is it not mentioned in the "History" section, with the other 2 major battles?
Same as the conflict with her sister, if you're going to mention it, tell us what it is.
It misses key information on crucial main characters, such as Cordia having a son!! It mentions her having two daughters, but Antonio is completely absent. He is next in line, yet he is not mentioned once, on the "DeLuca Family" page.
Worst thing, is that it's just a massive info dump & lots of it is currently irrelevant, or redundant.
Pages on Families we've not even heard of, never mind met. Also pages on Families that no longer even exist.
It would be much better if it unlocked the codex entries when we meet, or hear about, corresponding information.
e.g. We meet someone from La Fata family, or we hear them mentioned - codex for La Fata unlocks. Maybe the "C" could light up, to let us know.
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Sorry to hear you didn't like the codex
My thought process for the style of the lore codex was for lore and world building, rather than having it feel like the world revolves around the player. So, when we do get to meet some of the mentioned families, the people that read through the lore section would go - aha I know that family.
When playing games, I've always enjoyed reading about lore I find when exploring and tend to skip pop up codex as it feels like - "here's more information about what you just heard".
Of course, the codex has many places it can improve and change, so I'm focusing very much on the feedback on the codex currently. If most players share your view of the codex style (lore added based on player knowledge) then that is something I have to take a look at and change if necessary. So appreciate the feedback, whichone.
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Sometimes when a trigger is required
The play style chosen may not trigger it. So you get an incomplete codex. I could see relevant entries popping as a group after a main quest step. Like how the character cards for the girls change as you get to "know" them better.
Main line step 4 - all these families are met by now, so boom here is the codex for all of them
etc
etc
But that is just my thought
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It's not just the delivery, or the duff information\mistakes.
It's the fact that we're reading about families that don't exist anymore. If they have no relevance, why are they there? At least tie them into something we do know about. Otherwise it has no value.
That's the same with the Families that do exist, that we've not heard of. If we haven't heard of them, then yeah, reading about them in advance can add some anticipation, but as it stands it has zero context.
Plus the fact that it mentions things that it gives us no information about.
What was the "notorious War of The Blood"? Why does it talk about this as if it's some momentous event, yet it's not mentioned anywhere else. Should be an entry in the "History" section, if it's so notorious. Are we supposed to just guess?
When did Cordia get a Sister? What was the conflict between them?
It mentions this as a throwaway statement & gives us nothing about it. So why mention it?
Did you forget that Antonio exists, when writing the DeLuca Family page? It mentions Cordia having two daughters, it even mentions Wilfred. Antonio is totally absent.
The Families that do not exist anymore are still in there because they had a major role in the past. And for the world building aspect, they were included. But, I agree that dedicated pages for those Families could have been emitted, and could have been used for some other current families instead. Some of them will still play a big role in the story even after they are now gone, tho.
Some named events will be added to the lore (the codex is far from done), while others will stay just named and are more used to show that it left a footprint on the underground world.
Cordia's sister was the reason for the alliance between the DeLuca and the Profaci Family. She is also the reason for the war that happened between the DeLuca and The Profaci Family. We hear Wilfred talk a little about it in-game, but now we know a bit more.
The lore tells the player what the overall other people of the deluca universe knows, but not what only Cordia and the involved knows.
The people know that Cordia had a falling out with her sister, which leads to the war. But they do not know what the reason is and hence the player does not know, as we won't know more than what the common knowledge of the world is.
That require getting to know Cordia which tie in to season 2 when we start getting personal with her.
The hope for that style is to a) to have people looking forward to reading the profaci lore page to get more information and b) to look forward when we get to Cordia and learn about it.
Well, that's the idea anyway
!About Antonio. Totally right. Poor Antonio got forgotten, and I will fix it when I can!
And again, whichone. Don't mistake my reply as a ´defense´. It's more my thought process. I am still very open to change of the codex style depending on the overall feedback
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Really? The only thing "more" we know is that there was some form of undefined "conflict" between siblings.
You're using it to define & illustrate an attribute of Cordia's personality, without supplying any context or detail.
So it doesn't add anything.
Absolutely. Same as my assessment is not an attack. It's just a statement of how I, the reader, took it.
I appreciate the extra info you've provided here, but I really think some of that should probably be in the codex.
As you say, with Cordia's development takling place in Season 2, the codex will be updated.
Which goes back to delivering the info when it's relevant in game.
The primary thing that needs sorting out is the fact that it provides incorrect information, due to the mistake of using "betrayal of", instead of "betrayed by".
It makes that statement the opposite of what it should be.
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Where is the update still not time enough to roll out in here
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Well, it is $15 and for most it's not worth it since there is no "new content".