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- Jan 23, 2018
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This was one of my favorite games, for a seriously long time. In the middle of development, the decision was made to rework the game, and this is the type of game you can't just skip through to get back to where you were in the story, so I deleted all the files and marked my folder [start over when finished].
I honestly predicted this.
Nearly every time I game gets started over for a rework, it ends up abandoned, because may people simply don't care to start over every single update, when it's just to update the quality of renders from earlier in the game, and change a tiny bit of dialogue.
But, a lot of devs DO milk their followers for every dime they can get. And all of this together can run off a lot of the dev's followers. They lose donations, the game gets abandoned.
Well....
abandoned or not...I still keep my folder in the same status..."start over when finished."
I honestly predicted this.
Nearly every time I game gets started over for a rework, it ends up abandoned, because may people simply don't care to start over every single update, when it's just to update the quality of renders from earlier in the game, and change a tiny bit of dialogue.
But, a lot of devs DO milk their followers for every dime they can get. And all of this together can run off a lot of the dev's followers. They lose donations, the game gets abandoned.
Well....
abandoned or not...I still keep my folder in the same status..."start over when finished."
My personal opinion is that the latest patreon post clearly shows that the dev will fail to go professional with his work as he fails to dive into what professional behaviour actualy means.
You cant announce to go full time with a project and write about working routines and at the same time go radio silence for a half year. And even if you go radio silence for that long you cant just write a short post like this with absolutely no worded intentions for the future. Is he still trying to do this as full time project ? We dont know and he didnt care to write about it.
To pause the payments for a while as there was hardly any progress could be a good starting point to get trust back. Maybe the pause will also be some sort of reflection time for him what way he wants to go in the future. But that wouldnt fit into his wording that he still is actively working on the game. While working on the game is good news, it would only work if you actualy do work a while without new money and if at the same time you try to improve communication.
But as of now he is going radio silence again (no new patreon post or discord activity for 2 weeks). The only legit impression you can get from that, is that he still keeps going the easy way and that he sadly did not start to work on getting better with business things.
So while i realy like the game and his work, atleast for me it is clear that it wont get better in the future and that hopes for a finished (whatever that means) game realy need to go a very long way.
You cant announce to go full time with a project and write about working routines and at the same time go radio silence for a half year. And even if you go radio silence for that long you cant just write a short post like this with absolutely no worded intentions for the future. Is he still trying to do this as full time project ? We dont know and he didnt care to write about it.
To pause the payments for a while as there was hardly any progress could be a good starting point to get trust back. Maybe the pause will also be some sort of reflection time for him what way he wants to go in the future. But that wouldnt fit into his wording that he still is actively working on the game. While working on the game is good news, it would only work if you actualy do work a while without new money and if at the same time you try to improve communication.
But as of now he is going radio silence again (no new patreon post or discord activity for 2 weeks). The only legit impression you can get from that, is that he still keeps going the easy way and that he sadly did not start to work on getting better with business things.
So while i realy like the game and his work, atleast for me it is clear that it wont get better in the future and that hopes for a finished (whatever that means) game realy need to go a very long way.
- Jan 24, 2023
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It was a good game, but like the other posts, the fact he went silent to the ppl who was supporting him is worrying to say the least, and yea hes posted on there recently(maybe he got word from someone regarding this ) also lets not forget he got money from steam for this, i hope for the future he will put more of an effort into finnishing this game and proving us all wrong.
- Dec 8, 2023
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I've been putting this game on the back burner the 2 years or so that I've been playing these games. Some said it's a must play. I'm thinking about it now that it's on Steam but now see the Abandoned tag. Is it worth it now that it's been tagged as such?
- Dec 24, 2018
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The "Abandoned" tag on this site doesn't mean anything and it's just a system moderators of this site implements as the game uploading rules (see section 3 Prefixes).
Also, this was the dev's latest Patreon post;
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For me, I still think it's definitely worth playing but in the end, it's up to you whether you decide to try it or not.
- Oct 1, 2023
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well, at least you (the dev's mouthpiece) are still here and sharing the sparse information with us.
- Dec 24, 2018
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All this is information (the rules and dev post) is public, so pretty much everyone can view it.well, at least you (the dev's mouthpiece) are still here and sharing the sparse information with us.
Problem is, some people more likely than not just don't bother to.
Hence a game thread gets an Abandoned tag?
Those lazy people just think the game's abandoned when they don't even understand how the tag system works in this site lol
- Oct 1, 2023
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oh, you misunderstood me. That was a general compliment to you
- Dec 24, 2018
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- Jul 29, 2017
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i don't really like devs pausing patreon tbh. I patron multiple devs and i'd rather they continue to have subsription continue to be active than pausing cuz at least with it active, they are still receiving monthly income, and hopefully that's enough motivation for them to continue.
Subscribers can stop subscription anytime they want too.
Pausing subs just means less pressure to the devs and less income too for them. It's a lose-lose. Pausing subs to me, most of the time feels like one step away from abandonment.
how long since this game got a real update? 2 years now? cause the last update was the steam version and that didnt add anything to the game, it should be close to 2 years now, no? a year an a half without an update? copium...
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if you count v0.09.5 (3 small events) than it is 571 days, otherwise the last real updates was 668 days ago.
I dont like that attitude as it contradicts the common sense: You pay money with the mindset that it will be used in a certain way. What you expect on patreon is a developer working on the game. Yes there are people that dont have that expectation, but the majority surely does. So taking money from patreon while you are not working on the game feels like theft no matter what bullshit patreon writes into there tos.
Your perspective is of course valid aswell. But what you describe is general charity and you would be an idiot to use patreon for that as they take a huge ammount from it. Another problem with it is that you are fine with other people being scammed. And no, the argument "they can cancel there payments anytime" isnt valid for aslong as the developer isnt transparent with wether he is actively working on the game or not.
So to summarize it: a paused patreon isnt a lose-lose situation. It is a lose-win situation. The devs loses money and the patreons win money to spent on other things. To call it a loss because less income for the developer will maybe lessen the motivation to work on the game again is pure bullshit, as the developer didnt have this motivation while he still had a higher income due to a much higher supporter base. It is also not a loss because it is a sign that people reward active developers and that will lead to more games being made. It does harm developers in general if limited money on the market is spent for games not being made.
patreon is close to charity though. you patron so that the creator can "create on their own term". that's written on patreon's own front page.
You don't really pay money in exchange of products on patreon (that's kickstarter). You pay cuz you wanna give the creator some $ their way.
When you patron, it's an automatic subscription for what is usually a small amount of $, so either you subscribed once and then checked out cuz life gets in the way, or you subscribed and pay real close attention to the creator you supported, and then cancel your subscription after a month or two because you don't like the way they are doing things.
Pausing billing does work when it's only paused for a month or so due to missed deadline and then reactivated soon. But most of the time from what i've seen here, the next update after the paused update just never comes.
There are patreon creator accounts who hasn't made progress for some time (more than a year even), that still have paid subscribers (in the hundred or thousands even)
I'm subscribing to one creator like that, not AVN. I don't remember when was the last time he published his product. It has been a while and i just checked just now and he still has thousands of paid members and his last post on patreon was 2022. I personally like their past products so i subscribed.
Patreon really is closer to charity, or an endowment, or a beer money or something on that line compared to exchanges of goods and services
Surea yeah, i don't disagree patreon subscribers can feel disappointed due to lack of patreon posts, but when that happened, they can just stop, and usually that's what people do.
Sorry but patreon isnt even close to charity, no matter what they call themself and what they write on there site. No charity organization takes that a huge chunk of fees. And normaly charity organization just collect money from people but they dont scan the background of these peoples and decline them if they doesnt fit to there own mentality.
In the end it doesnt matter what my opinion is and what yours is. What counts is how the majority of people understand and use patreon and that is not charity.
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This game is not abandoned. Checked his patreon, he took a break and is now back as of Nov 15. Good news cause I love this game!
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