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JJJ84

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It's funny how your quote from yesterday came true so fast. Not even a couple of hours went and we got a review talking about how deluded and low standard the players of the game have... *Sigh* it's like my game offended his whole family or something.
Really? :FacePalm::FacePalm::FacePalm:
Sigh......(and sighs again).
When I read or hear something like this happen. it really makes me question where these people threw all their sense of common decency away.

I mean saying "it's not my cup of tea" is one thing, but insulting the rest of the fanbase!? I mean I would never get upset with someone just because someone had different preferences. Everyone has different tastes, and noone should be criticized/berated/ridiculed for that.
But I would never let my preferences (or bias) rule me that it basically makes me lose who I am as a person. Even when I disagree with someone, I always try my best to treat them with respect. And I also try to see it from their point of view (I may or may not agree with them in the end, but regardless, doesn't change the fact that I am treating others as decent human beings).

I'm starting to get preachy with this (and generally, I dislike being preachy lol), so I'm just gonna end this with the following image for those people (it's most unlikely they'll see it, but regardless, it's not gonna stop me from trying to be a decent person).

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BeachpartyX

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HopesGaming: Thanks for sharing this update. Isabel's ending in 0.61 felt kind of abrupt. Luckily we are back to the game. However this game reminds me of Luna's russian roulette. I hope that there will still be an option for a happy ending with her. :)
Kudos for the great renders and story telling. Which both I consider the best among the current games.
 

MonkeyLord

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HopesGaming nice touch on the Filius scene, but tbf, I don't think that message is gonna reach the people it should reach. If anything it'll just give those people reasons to yell "dev are salty and ****hurt about real criticism".

There's a saying in Vietnamese, stemming from a famous novel (Chi Pheo by Nam Cao), there was a scene where the titular character, drunk and angry, was cursing at everyone in his village, but everyone simply thought, and I'm roughly translating it here, "Surely he doesn't mean me!" That saying became quite famous, and people in my country use it sarcastically in context where someone would pretty much ignore all criticism directed at them by thinking "surely that can't be about me" or "surely he doesn't mean me".

And that's the case here, pretty much. We can hint at it, or we can downright tell people to their faces, and they'll just ignore it, because they don't even realize they're doing the things we criticized them for. And there's nothing whatsoever we can do about it, they have to realize it themselves, no one can change their mindset but themselves, and they won't do that any time soon.

And now that I've given this example, they'll somehow twist it until they can say we're the one "actually" ignoring criticism.

Welp, time to get back to my own writings and studying. I'll resurface again in a few months. :p
 

Siphon

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Now the defense force is out and the hugbox is activated. All it takes is a rallying cry from the leader to get all this sympathy. If any of you are familiar with camgirls who have private chats this should be very familiar. She laments her bad day and all the orbiters who believe they are the closest of friends rush in to tell her no she really is perfect, wonderful, and that the opposing party is just naturally hateful or lesser because of their criticisms.

Though I guess there's not much else to discuss in this thread, with the game having barely any content and all.
 

Badjourasmix

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Now the defense force is out and the hugbox is activated. All it takes is a rallying cry from the leader to get all this sympathy. If any of you are familiar with camgirls who have private chats this should be very familiar. She laments her bad day and all the orbiters who believe they are the closest of friends rush in to tell her no she really is perfect, wonderful, and that the opposing party is just naturally hateful or lesser because of their criticisms.

Though I guess there's not much else to discuss in this thread, with the game having barely any content and all.
The game has content, it just doesn't have what you want.
 

HopesGaming

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Now the defense force is out and the hugbox is activated. All it takes is a rallying cry from the leader to get all this sympathy. If any of you are familiar with camgirls who have private chats this should be very familiar. She laments her bad day and all the orbiters who believe they are the closest of friends rush in to tell her no she really is perfect, wonderful, and that the opposing party is just naturally hateful or lesser because of their criticisms.

Though I guess there's not much else to discuss in this thread, with the game having barely any content and all.
How come you are allowed to your opinions but others are not?
This is what I always found confusing with the people that share your 'view'.

If you are man enough to dish it out, be man enough to take it.
 

HopesGaming

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But I'm not the one 'taking it', they are barely mentioning my review. Instead of that they are all fawning over you and telling you to ignore stuff like that. That is what makes it essentially a hugbox vs an actual critical discussion.
What review tho? The one where you directly told them they had low standards compared to you and were deluded?
Besides that, your review only had complaints about a lack of sexual content (which is not a complaint as I am in no way obligated to put it in)
 

Ayhsel

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But I'm not the one 'taking it', they are barely mentioning my review. Instead of that they are all fawning over you and telling you to ignore stuff like that. That is what makes it essentially a hugbox vs an actual critical discussion.
Only reason I am not saying anything to the joke that is your review is cause yesterday I made someone feel like I was bullying him for explaining why he was getting facepalm (not me), as it seems he cared. And I am trying to be better person overall.

But I personally don't care a shit whether you like the game or not. Couldn't care less. I just find you pathetic for assuming you know best that the other just because they don't agree with you. Like you seriously assume you know more about a AVN than people you don't even know. I must congratulate, not you, your shrink. Such a huge ego.

That somehow still requires validation...

Your post about cam girls and hugs remind me of a small kid crying and breaking stuff just because mommy and daddy did not give him attention. But I must stop. Please don't cry little fellow.

Have a great day.
 
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Hazeti

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Hopes dude i didn't know you were a cam girl , shit i always figured you were like this

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Well i am guess i am gonna have to imagine you like this from now on

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Siphon you said the story is bad but never elaborated on that , i am genuinely curious now as to why you think it's bad cause you did not bother to discuss it in your review. You only complained about the grind which imo at least isn't too bad and for the lack of sexual content but besides that no clear defined reason as to why you think the story is bad. At least elaborate so others including hopes can take away something productive
 

JJJ84

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But I'm not the one 'taking it', they are barely mentioning my review. Instead of that they are all fawning over you and telling you to ignore stuff like that. That is what makes it essentially a hugbox vs an actual critical discussion.
You're free to have your own preferences and opinions regarding the game. We disagree with you, but noone is judging you regarding your preference, no matter how disingenuous you may sound in your review.

What I, and many others have problem with your review however is your whole attitude towards people who like the game, and content that Hopes (the Dev) brings to this game, with how you referred to us as following:

The only reason people actually like this game are the renders/models are solid
Wrong, majority of fans of the game like the game for the story and its characters. Renders is only part of why we love this game. Don't try to state your own bias as facts.

I can only assume everyone tripping over themselves trying to claim it is a masterpiece of writing are deluding themselves or just don't have very high standards
You're saying we don't have high standards? :FacePalm: Again, you're basically projecting your own bias (what you claim to be high standards) as facts, and while you're entitled to your own opinion, it makes me laugh that you're using your bias as pedestral and stating it as fact.
Also, I wouldn't have had any problem with you if you had simply said "The Game wasn't my cup of tea because of XYZ reasons." I wouldn't have agreed, but you're entitled to your own opinion, and noone would have any problem with it since it feels sincere and it's not disrespecting anyone.

But instead, you just began with basically insulting people who love the game for what it is.
As I said in previous comment, respect is earned, not given. Don't expect to be treated with respect/decency, when you yourself began insulting us, the people who love the game (and no, we're not fawning over Hopes, and this isn't a hugbox. Myself, and many others appreciate the game for what it is [a story focused adult game], so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about)
 
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JJJ84

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So the next update is gonna be about Cordia, am I right?
Since recent updates have been Isabel's lewd/free-roam, next update (0.7 with new gameplay mechanic) in the rotation will probably be story, with Eiza, her sister & the Assassins family arc. The freeroam update after that perhaps might be Cordia (just my guess though based on Wilfred referencing her in current update. Only Hopes knows the answer to that).
 
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But I'm not the one 'taking it', they are barely mentioning my review. Instead of that they are all fawning over you and telling you to ignore stuff like that. That is what makes it essentially a hugbox vs an actual critical discussion.
I don't know about the camgirl stuff, but if you want others to mention your review, I'll do you a favor.

You state (I don't know how to quote a review, so I'll do it manually):

"The characters are fairly shallow and aren't very believable at all"
"It (the game) takes itself far too seriously for its content"
"The gameplay is the standard grinding that plagues just about every game"
"as I discussed earlier this is not a good story"

And these are all fine opinions and thank you for sharing them, because it will help people make an informed decision on whether they would like this game. They're not facts, they're opinions, but let's be honest, we all write our reviews as facts, so no harm done.

However, you also state:

"everyone tripping over themselves trying to claim it is a masterpiece of writing are deluding themselves or just don't have very high standards"

and see, this is where it gets a tad ridiculous. Because every piece of art will have naysayers. There are loads of respected movie critics disliking Citizen Kane, there are book critics who think that Kill a Mockingbird is a massive turd, some music critics even dislike the Beatles. And you have the opposite way, too, take some turd, any turd out there, and experts will tell you it's not as bad, it may even be fine. And that's just the experts, not the normal customers who often disagree with ratings and will give huge box offices to bad (in critics' opinions) movies and the like.

However, who are you to say that you have the ultimate view on stuff, the one opinion to end them all? You're perfectly fine to voice a negative opinion, even if it were the only one, but you're not fine insulting those who beg to differ. And it's not your place to state your opinion as an objective fact. From your conversation with the devs I may quote:

"my only recourse is to suggest there is an alternative reason" - meaning that people who disagree with you on this topic must somehow be mislead or delusional.

Fun fact: I like what I like. I have abandoned the whole concept of "guilty pleasure" a long time ago, I get pleasure from things that please me. There is no "guilt" involved. That is not a delusion, that is just how it is. And if your "only recourse" is to insult me for what I like, then you're out of arguments.

But I'll do you the favor and answer (from my point of view).

"The characters are fairly shallow and aren't very believable at all" - you're correct, they're not. As is par for the course in fiction by the way. You'll be exaggerating parts to make the story more entertaining. Yes, there is a limit of what anyone may want to stomach, but again it's not an objective line. I am willing to stomach how Luna would be a problem here, because I find her character interesting. But while we're at it, since your major interest seems to be "Being a DIK" - do you consider the whole DIK-chick thing believable?

"It (the game) takes itself far too seriously for its content" - well, it's a bit zig zagging. Most of the game is far from taking itself seriously. Think the dialogues during some missions - they wouldn't happen in real life, but that's obvious. They're more akin to Bond one liners or "Yippie-kay-jay motherfucker". You may argue that they are not well made, but I'd argue that they're signs that the game doesn't take itself too seriously most of the time. Yes, the "My name is Luna" arc or some other places are more dark, more serious, and more morbid, but most of the game is pretty obviously not to be taken at face value.

"The gameplay is the standard grinding that plagues just about every game" - I'll make this short: you haven't seen any real grinding. Really, you haven't.

"as I discussed earlier this is not a good story" - this is the most subjective one, since it'll depend on the characters and whether you connect with them, it'll depend on the progression and whether it reaches you. Yes, the detachment of the main story and the character progression for large swathes of the game may be a hindrance of sorts, but I still like it.

But as I said, you are free to disagree and voice your opinion. What does rile me however is when you start insulting me for not agreeing with you. That is not because I am a cuddly fanboy, but because I am of the opinion that I may form my own opinion. And, after all is said and done, I like what happens here. You don't. That's fine. But please keep to the game when commenting and don't get personal. And yes, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I have written negative reviews in the past and got attacked for it. Just let that part roll and ignore it. It'll be better for you. And for us. You said what you wanted to say, now it's time to move on to things you enjoy.
 
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moonmite84

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hello guys. I just downloaded the game and the game gets stuck here. can you help me ?? :(
I don't have a fix for this, I just really want to see that scene come to life in the game. Really looking forward to being able to have the MC become a total badass.


Though I did notice that for all Luna, Gracie, and Isabel's comments about how low ranked and nonthreatening MC is, they basically center around him as they move or enter a place. Some strong nascent leadership/charisma effects going on there.
 

Skytta94

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I don't have a fix for this, I just really want to see that scene come to life in the game. Really looking forward to being able to have the MC become a total badass.


Though I did notice that for all Luna, Gracie, and Isabel's comments about how low ranked and nonthreatening MC is, they basically center around him as they move or enter a place. Some strong nascent leadership/charisma effects going on there.
the first part of the game. the game menu does not even open, I deleted it many times and installed it again, but it doesn't work.
 

-L-L-MJ-

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With all the Filius Canis shenanigans which seem to plague not only this thread I do feel the need to express how I feel about this game before I get into other things, in my opinion it's just better to ignore the trolls.

Ever since I started playing this game a few updates ago I have been captivated by the story. Being introduced to this meticulously crafted family/world/universe filled with intrigue, mystery, humor, heartfelt moments, surprises and excitement. With unpredictable character revelations there keeps being a sense of wonder and not just of what is to come. There are already so many mysteries to solve, answers to be found, laughs to be had and it still seems like it is only the beginning. One thing is for sure the decor is being set for something grand. This coupled with the quality of the renders, the music and sound effects, the GUI and menu options for replays and art make this an amazing experience. Everything so far shows how high the bar has been set by HopesGaming for the art/story he envisions and wants to share. I myself can't get enough and highly anticipate each next update to continue this wonderful journey.

Speaking about next updates;


The update was of course a bit on the shorter end. It is a split release (0.5 increment increase instead of 1). I could have simply waited 1 more month to release and added a lot of events in between that time. Fast, easy to make renders with simple script. But that is not my style, also my goal is different. My goal is for 0.07 to be a completely redo on the gameplay part. That one would require a restart of the game and didn't want to have Isabel's ending be among that. Also, the new gameplay stuff will take some time and I wanted to give you a bit of content in the meantime! Hell, the gameplay stuff my be scratched if it's too unreliable timewise.


Does this mean that there will be content which will be in between of what is in the current 0.6.5 version?
I ask because I first played the new content in 0.6.5 and afterwards started a new game from start to end of current content and couldn't help but feel like the "flow" of the story got disrupted a little bit. Now I imagine (but can only speculate) this has to do with creative decisions in your update plans with the rework of the missions and the advancement of the Eiza Carnefice story.
(both of which I know already been talked about here)

An in game example would be the following from story 10 the dialogue Wilfred has with Cordia;

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To me it feels like there is some missing progression with the MC. Also in the overview of the current missions they seem to all be solo missions where you're not accompanied by anyone else (so missions with Luna could be integrated there but they weren't as far as I can tell).

I am super curious about your planned revamp of that mission system, in it's current form I kinda like doing the missions for money and purchasing the upgrades in the shop despite it not feeling that rewarding nor being intertwined with the rest of the story yet. I do have high hopes so hopefully you succeed in integrating it the way you want to.


Besides all that I just want to say thank you for all the work so far and the phenomenal story.

PS. If there is a kind soul out there that could help me with sporting a fan signature of all 4 (Gracie, Luna, Isabel and Cordia) or maybe even Eiza included I'd definitely rock that!
 
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