Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[Avaron1974]

At the moment, I'm probably more wary of Gracie than Cordia or Luna. Unlike others, she already suspects that MC is hiding something from them (i.e. the cameras. Though Gracie doesn't know what exactly). That scene, where she says she will hurt the MC in cold face, even though she said it was a joke did send chills down my spine.
Wondering what hell would break loose if Gracie ever finds out about those cameras.

I have to admit, the end of that event did make me question the MC and looks at him as a moron.

I don't even mean jokingly, I mean I legit think he's stupid or slow or has some serious learning difficulty.

He knows Gracie is on to him yet doesn't think to remove them for a while until things blow over. It's not just Gracie he's been listening in on (I only put listening devices in) but Cordia, Luna and Antonio.

The second Gracie figures it out they will know he's been listening in on all of them or regardless of anything that's going on that is a massive fuck up and would not only kill any friendships he's built up but also put's him on the entire main family's shit list.

Why would you risk that much of a shitstorm?

Nobody with any ounce of common sense would.

That was my only gripe.

Not interested in Eiza?
IMO, she's also a LI ^^ Probably the one with almost no problems.
Aside from the fact you have to rescue her sister out of the fangs of an assassin family that wants you dead...
like I said... almost

Not yet, she hasn't had enough screen time to put her in the same league as the love interests. At the moment she's still firmly in side character friendzone.

but her hubris

 

[JJJ84]

I have to admit, the end of that event did make me question the MC and looks at him as a moron.

I don't even mean jokingly, I mean I legit think he's stupid or slow or has some serious learning difficulty.

He knows Gracie is on to him yet doesn't think to remove them for a while until things blow over. It's not just Gracie he's been listening in on (I only put listening devices in) but Cordia, Luna and Antonio.

The second Gracie figures it out they will know he's been listening in on all of them or regardless of anything that's going on that is a massive fuck up and would not only kill any friendships he's built up but also put's him on the entire main family's shit list.

Why would you risk that much of a shitstorm?

Nobody with any ounce of common sense would.

That was my only gripe.

Thinking about it a bit more, I'm getting the feeling Cordia might actually know that MC had planted cameras/audio recorders (depending on player choice) around the house. She already knew that MC snuck in to her office when she catches him on his second time.
Only way I can see it is MC was careless, and Cordia either saw him sneaking in, or sneaking out of her office, and with that she probably is able to deduce MC planted something and found his bugs, and may just be keeping that to herself, pretending to be ignorant (just my theory).

Having said that, if MC is found out, if what MC planted was audio recorders (not cameras) I can see Cordia being more understanding than others (like Luna, Gracie, Isabel), since even after catching him in her office she does say "While I don't approve of your actions, I understand what you're going through." (or something along those lines).
Not sure about how she would react if MC used cameras though.

 

[TundraLupus]

Thinking about it a bit more, I'm getting the feeling Cordia might actually know that MC had planted cameras/audio recorders (depending on player choice) around the house. She already knew that MC snuck in to her office when she catches him on his second time.
Only way I can see it is MC was careless, and Cordia either saw him sneaking in, or sneaking out of her office, and with that she probably is able to deduce MC planted something and found his bugs, and may just be keeping that to herself, pretending to be ignorant (just my theory).

Having said that, if MC is found out, if what MC planted was audio recorders (not cameras) I can see Cordia being more understanding than others (like Luna, Gracie, Isabel), since even after catching him in her office she does say "While I don't approve of your actions, I understand what you're going through." (or something along those lines).
Not sure about how she would react if MC used cameras though.

If I were her I would be proud, after all, there are some clues you only could get through video, like people's faces, hidden compartments and etc..., logically it is the best choice. Now Gracie would be pissed, because of some reasons, and some of her suspicions.

 

[Avaron1974]

If I were her I would be proud, after all, there are some clues you only could get through video, like people's faces, hidden compartments and etc..., logically it is the best choice. Now Gracie would be pissed, because of some reasons, and some of her suspicions.

You think Cordia would be proud he planted camera's in her daughters rooms, where they get naked, after she specifically warned him not to look at them in his bathroom?

I think she'll shoot his bollocks off personally.

I don't think proud is th word anyone will use.

 

[TundraLupus]

You think Cordia would be proud he planted camera's in her daughters rooms, where they get naked, after she specifically warned him not to look at them in his bathroom?

I think she'll shoot his bollocks off personally.

I don't think proud is th word anyone will use.

I said if she thinks logically, now emotionally, yeah, he would be fucked. Although, I doubt she doesn't know, and the bathroom thing, is more for his safety, or do you think he would survive getting caught?

 

[Avaron1974]

I said if she thinks logically, now emotionally, yeah, he would be fucked. Although, I doubt she doesn't know, and the bathroom thing, is more for his safety, or do you think he would survive getting caught?

Well it's likely to be Gracie that catches the idiot out first so then Luna, Antonio and Isabel will know he's been spying on them all in their bedrooms.

Well, people did ask for some fucking although i'm not sure that's quite what they had in mind.

 

[JJJ84]

If I were her I would be proud, after all, there are some clues you only could get through video, like people's faces, hidden compartments and etc..., logically it is the best choice. Now Gracie would be pissed, because of some reasons, and some of her suspicions.

Not sure I would agree with Cordia being proud (when she specifically told MC to not peek on the girls in his bathroom), but I do agree about Gracie. But with Gracie, I think she'd be more pissed at the fact that she couldn't figure it out (the fact that there are camera bugs) right away, rather than the fact that MC peeked at her.
Because while she does acknowledge that MC is smart to some degree, she doesn't think MC is on her level of intelligence.

But whatever the case, while on one hand MC is getting some valuable information (on the Family, or emotional state of the girls), on the other hand, it also feels like MC is playing with fire.

Actually, perhaps better term for these recorders would be "double-edged sword." (that is, if there actually will be consequences storywise with the bugs).

 

[Avaron1974]

Because while she does acknowledge that MC is smart to some degree, she doesn't think MC is on her level of intelligence.

Her occasional arrogance aside, she isn't wrong.

MC isn't on her level. He has more social awareness so has a slight edge there but on pure intellect he isn't even in her league.

No one is.

Also why her mother won't let her work, she could possibly be more dangerous than anyone in the game.

 

[Ayhsel]

He knows Gracie is on to him yet doesn't think to remove them for a while until things blow over. It's not just Gracie he's been listening in on (I only put listening devices in) but Cordia, Luna and Antonio.

I assumed that was more a development issue than anything. In the sense, Hopesgaming did not continue the story. MC might decide to remove them soom. At the same time, removing them is more dangerous too now. Gracie is onto him, so any suspicious presence in her room can give him away. But again, I was sure it was just that we don't know how the story continues and he will remove them soon.

Whether Cordia knows or not it is not clear to me. I kind of assume she does after she caught us in her office. After all, when MC caught them talking, they never spoiled anything. But it is just a guess. It could also be she is canonically quiet about everything.

Her occasional arrogance aside, she isn't wrong.

MC isn't on her level. He has more social awareness so has a slight edge there but on pure intellect he isn't even in her league.

No one is.

Also why her mother won't let her work, she could possibly be more dangerous than anyone in the game.

This.

But I disagree that she is potentially more dangerous than Cordia. She IS right now more dangerous than Cordia. Cordia may have experience and already developed talents. But that experience also give her wisdom and make more cunning
and open minded.
Gracie's social awkwardness and lack of empathy makes her already a threat. Cordia might understand MC screwing up, Gracie will eat him alive when he does. That is the difference.

 

[Avaron1974]

Whether Cordia knows or not it is not clear to me. I kind of assume she does after she caught us in her office. After all, when MC caught them talking, they never spoiled anything. But it is just a guess. It could also be she is canonically quiet about everything.

I'll put money on Cordia knowing.

She dropped the huge hint of having old contracts left on her desk and just happened to put the picture of her and his mother when they were younger in there.

She knew he was listening/watching.

 

[TundraLupus]

I assumed that was more a development issue than anything. In the sense, Hopesgaming did not continue the story. MC might decide to remove them soom. At the same time, removing them is more dangerous too now. Gracie is onto him, so any suspicious presence in her room can give him away. But again, I was sure it was just that we don't know how the story continues and he will remove them soon.


This.

But I disagree that she is potentially more dangerous than Cordia. She IS right now more dangerous than Cordia. Cordia may have experience and already developed talents. But that experience also give her wisdom and make more cunning
and open minded.
Gracie's social awkwardness and lack of empathy makes her already a threat. Cordia might understand MC screwing up, Gracie will eat him alive when he does. That is the difference.

As much as I love Gracie, I think you guys are overestimating her a little bit, yes, she is a potential danger, but she lacks in d&d terms wisdom while having lots of int, my stats for her would be something like 22 int, 18 dex, 08 charisma, 9 wisdom, and 10 strength, she is exceptional at some things, but subpar in others, Cordia probably is a 18 in everything, which makes her more dangerous, and mc, well he is hard to figure out I would say 12 int, 16 dex, 14 strength, 12 wisdom, 14 charisma, or something like that, in pure intellect, sure, he is outclassed, but overall he has more potential.
Sorry, nerded out quite a bit there, but this was the best way for me to explain how I see things.
Also, as i said, she knows she is the smartest person in the room, so she does let her guard down quite a lot, due to being quite cocky

 

[JJJ84]

Her occasional arrogance aside, she isn't wrong.

MC isn't on her level. He has more social awareness so has a slight edge there but on pure intellect he isn't even in her league.

No one is.

Also why her mother won't let her work, she could possibly be more dangerous than anyone in the game.

On pure intellect, I agree MC isn't on her level, which is why it might just rub her the wrong way that MC was able to get away with the bugs.

Actually, I think I might just put Wilfred slightly above Gracie in terms of pure intellect. He's Cordia teacher, and if I'm remembering correctly he's been teaching Gracie as well in a lot of matters. Since Wilfred sees Gracie with a lot of potential which is Serpent level, perhaps when Gracie matures a bit more and her weaknesses are solved (whether through MC or other means), she might surpass Wilfred, but at this moment, I'm feeling his past experience puts Wilfred somewhat higher in terms of intelligence/knowledge.

 

[Ayhsel]

As much as I love Gracie, I think you guys are overestimating her a little bit, yes, she is a potential danger, but she lacks in d&d terms wisdom while having lots of int, my stats for her would be something like 22 int, 18 dex, 08 charisma, 9 wisdom, and 10 strength, she is exceptional at some things, but subpar in others, Cordia probably is a 18 in everything, which makes her more dangerous, and mc, well he is hard to figure out I would say 12 int, 16 dex, 14 strength, 12 wisdom, 14 charisma, or something like that, in pure intellect, sure, he is outclassed, but overall he has more potential.
Sorry, nerded out quite a bit there, but this was the best way for me to explain how I see things.
Also, as i said, she knows she is the smartest person in the room, so she does let her guard down quite a lot, due to being quite cocky

That was not the point I have been trying to make. It has to do less with her attributes as you put it and more with her personality. She was NOT kidding when she threatened MC in my opinion. Her attributes allow her to be a danger but as I said I don't think Cordia is a danger and I think her current attributes are higher than Gracie.

 

[TundraLupus]

That was not the point I have been trying to make. It has to do less with her attributes as you put it and more with her personality. She was NOT kidding when she threatened MC in my opinion. Her attributes allow her to be a danger but as I said I don't think Cordia is a danger and I think her current attributes are higher than Gracie.

yes, but threats are meaningless without the power to follow through with them, that is kind of what I mean.

 

[Ayhsel]

yes, but threats are meaningless without the power to follow through with them, that is kind of what I mean.

Well I took for granted MC is the weakest member of the core family. A lot of potential, yes, but Gracie has more potential, is getting coached by Wilfred and her personality would allow her to go full charge against MC. MC on the other hand will never truly hurt her in my opinion. So while she would be trying to hurt him, he would be trying to stop the fight by soothing her somehow.

Obviously, if the other members of the family intercede I don't think Gracie will prove a danger to MC. Wilfred himself can probably disarm both sides without much effort, if he care at all to act. I was just talking one on one.

 

[TundraLupus]

Well I took for granted MC is the weakest member of the core family. A lot of potential, yes, but Gracie has more potential, is getting coached by Wilfred and her personality would allow her to go full charge against MC. MC on the other hand will never truly hurt her in my opinion. So while she would be trying to hurt him, he would be trying to stop the fight by soothing her somehow.

Obviously, if the other members of the family intercede I don't think Gracie will prove a danger to MC. Wilfred himself can probably disarm both sides without much effort. I was just talking one on one.

You forget the mc actually has field experience(lots of it for the Lvl up in the gang), while she has her training, and kinda two missions.

 

[Master of Puppets]

I have to admit, the end of that event did make me question the MC and looks at him as a moron.

I don't even mean jokingly, I mean I legit think he's stupid or slow or has some serious learning difficulty.

He knows Gracie is on to him yet doesn't think to remove them for a while until things blow over. It's not just Gracie he's been listening in on (I only put listening devices in) but Cordia, Luna and Antonio.

The second Gracie figures it out they will know he's been listening in on all of them or regardless of anything that's going on that is a massive fuck up and would not only kill any friendships he's built up but also put's him on the entire main family's shit list.

Why would you risk that much of a shitstorm?

Nobody with any ounce of common sense would.

That was my only gripe.

If they're well hidden then it would be safer to leave them, removing them would mean sneaking into their rooms again while they're away, and if someone is suspicious they might be looking for him doing exactly that.

 

[Avaron1974]

You forget the mc actually has field experience(lots of it for the Lvl up in the gang), while she has her training, and kinda two missions.

In those 2 "missions" she showed no fear and practically won the thing for her side in the second one while both times the MC has shit himself. First time he begged for his life the second he hid behind a crate and shot at a wall.

His contracts haven't meant anything yet. He's still bottom tier, he's got quite some ways to go.

He'll get there, that goes without saying, but as of right now he's no threat to anyone, even Gracie.

 

[TundraLupus]

In those 2 "missions" she showed no fear and practically won the thing for her side in the second one while both times the MC has shit himself. First time he begged for his life the second he hid behind a crate and shot at a wall.

His contracts haven't meant anything yet. He's still bottom tier, he's got quite some ways to go.

He'll get there, that goes without saying, but as of right now he's no threat to anyone, even Gracie.

No one but the professional assassin he captures and had at gunpoint, although, he is still hesitant to kill, that was a show of whom he will become and is becoming, and yes I don't like the way he behaves in the missions for multiple reasons, but still. Also, an assassin that infiltrated the main house of the Deluca undetected util being captured, well maybe Wilfred did notice her and was testing the Mc.

 

[Avaron1974]

No one but the professional assassin he captures and had at gunpoint,

He wasn't a threat to her.

Her heart wasn't in it and he was hardly the bringer of pain.

All he did was point a gun at her, I could point a gun at someone and i'm a complete wuss. He had no intentions to harm her. Wouldn't even let Cordia punish her.

I don't like the way he behaves in the missions for multiple reasons

It's needed.

If he start out a badass no one will give a shit, it adds interest to the story. As it stands right now he's in a world he knows very little about and trying to learn his way around. He's only recently found out about his mother being a serpent and still hasn't figured out she was training him.

For those that also missed it...

There was a flashback to his mother giving him small doses of poison and her telling him it will only hurt for a little while. Was also how he was able to survive the poisoning attempt.

He has a long way to go but he'll get there.

Him and Gracie both have potential but the only reason I will rate her higher is she doesn't have the sense to be scared of anything. I think in her head it's all a game. Plus she uses other people to her advantage.