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I think Isabel will eventually come clean with Antonio, stay his beard, and get impregnated by the MC as a way to continue the family line.

Now, discuss!
How does getting impregnated by somebody else is continuing the family line? If they just care about that, getting MC with Luna or Gracie makes more sense.

Note: my understanding is that blood in mafia settings matter. I personally don't care at all about that.
 

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Note: my understanding is that blood in mafia settings matter. I personally don't care at all about that
Actually my understanding is that loyalty is what matters and it will always trump even blood. Although blood might keep someone alive longer but in the end even unloyal blood will meet the same fate.
 

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How does getting impregnated by somebody else is continuing the family line? If they just care about that, getting MC with Luna or Gracie makes more sense.

Note: my understanding is that blood in mafia settings matter. I personally don't care at all about that.
That's in relation to what is going on with Isabel and the MC not the desire to continue the family line.
 

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Well, the appearance of a direct blood line, preferrably through eldest male heirs, is what counts for many. So if the MC enhances Isabel's girth, they can say "That's Antonio's son/daughter" to everybody else. And while there may be a case for the "male" part not being as important in this family, the eldest child is still Antonio, Luna and Gracie would be too young for this. So yeah, that line of reasoning could work.
 
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OK, so late to the group and obviously I have a low low post count... I play a few games and usually never bother with posting, until now. This post really is for folk thinking about trying this game or those surfing for something to kill some time, I was kind of burnt out with VN's as very few are good and even fewer cause me to actually care about the story and characters. This is one that has an absolutely fascinating story arch! The plot turns, twist and character development are most excellent some you see and others... wow. Initially I thought very little of Luna (she looked hot in her pants) but as the story progressed I found her to be the one I watched, what can I say I like that kind of girl. Her arch develops even further (no spoilers from me) into a stunning display of emotions that cause an individual to contemplate what they have experienced and then again you can only say wow. Don't get me wrong the other characters are compelling as well, they really are. I'm sure others have their favorites and ymmv from me and my choice of Luna. In short, do not cut off the music or sound, do not rush but read the dialog, this is worth the read. The event log can be a bit confusing at first but soon you'll see how useful and well laid out it is, just different from other quest driven logs that I have experienced and again ymmv. IMO this is easily a top 5 VN game of all time, yes it isn't as flashy as others but the story is amazingly deep and well thought out. This really is a keeper.
 

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OK, so late to the group and obviously I have a low low post count... I play a few games and usually never bother with posting, until now. This post really is for folk thinking about trying this game or those surfing for something to kill some time, I was kind of burnt out with VN's as very few are good and even fewer cause me to actually care about the story and characters. This is one that has an absolutely fascinating story arch! The plot turns, twist and character development are most excellent some you see and others... wow. Initially I thought very little of Luna (she looked hot in her pants) but as the story progressed I found her to be the one I watched, what can I say I like that kind of girl. Her arch develops even further (no spoilers from me) into a stunning display of emotions that cause an individual to contemplate what they have experienced and then again you can only say wow. Don't get me wrong the other characters are compelling as well, they really are. I'm sure others have their favorites and ymmv from me and my choice of Luna. In short, do not cut off the music or sound, do not rush but read the dialog, this is worth the read. The event log can be a bit confusing at first but soon you'll see how useful and well laid out it is, just different from other quest driven logs that I have experienced and again ymmv. IMO this is easily a top 5 VN game of all time, yes it isn't as flashy as others but the story is amazingly deep and well thought out. This really is a keeper.
My only complain here is, please use line breaks. It makes text a lot more fun to read than a wall of text.
 
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again, I believe Wilfred and Cordia already know, and about Cordia being disappointed, How could she? you guys are forgetting that these people are not his family, they were not his friends, as far as he knows they are his captors, and jailers for a crime that his parents committed, so the only way for her to be disappointed or mad, is if she also forgot that.
MC is forced to stay with the Family, yes, But this isn't the standard contract. From the very beginning, he's been basically treated with kindness and respect than their other run-of-the-mill employees under contract.
And yes, they were total strangers in the beginning, but MC through spending time with the DeLucas, have gained affection (Luna, Gracie, Isabel) or respect (Cordia, Wilfred) from the characters.

He's not their blood, but by spending time with them like a member of the Family, MC is learning more about the Family as more story is revealed. Same for the DeLucas as well. They are also learning more about the MC as days go by (regarding his character, what he's capable of etc) getting closer to him (not just the girls & Cordia, but Wilfred and Antonio as well).

Regarding Cordia being disappointed, well disappointment does not always necessarily result in anger (sometimes it can, but other times it doesn't). One can have affection/respect for another person, and yet be disappointed by an action that person did, without resorting to being mad or angry about it.
 
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Yeah, Master of Puppets had a point with that, didn't think of Gracie or anyone else keeping an eye on him. She knows he's up to something so that stands to reason.

That being said I think those that only put in a listening device will come out a lot better than those that went full creep with the cameras.
Yeah, if MC gets caught with the bugs, the audio recorders have a lot more plausible defence for him (similar to when he got caught red-handed by Cordia trying to find his contract in her office), and I think Cordia & Wilfred would be lenient on him (they would disapprove, but understand).

But with the cameras, I can see them be less forgiving (though I don't think Cordia and Wilfred would really care about the camera in Cordia's office), with the whole "peeping tom" aspect on the girls' rooms.

That's why with 0.07 (where we need to start back from the beginning), I'm making 2 saves. One for audio, one for camera. Don't know whether there will be story consequence with these bugs (only Hopes know that), but you never know.
 

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Yeah, if MC gets caught with the bugs, the audio recorders have a lot more plausible defence for him (similar to when he got caught red-handed by Cordia trying to find his contract in her office), and I think Cordia & Wilfred would be lenient on him (they would disapprove, but understand).

But with the cameras, I can see them be less forgiving (though I don't think Cordia and Wilfred would really care about the camera in Cordia's office), with the whole "peeping tom" aspect on the girls' rooms.

That's why with 0.07 (where we need to start back from the beginning), I'm making 2 saves. One for audio, one for camera. Don't know whether there will be story consequence with these bugs (only Hopes know that), but you never know.
I'm just going to make sure to put a save on like page 20 of the saves right before I choose cameras again.

I do agree that things are getting too risky and MC should take down the recording devices before things get too hot and MC gets caught.
 
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MC is forced to stay with the Family, yes, But this isn't the standard contract. From the very beginning, he's been basically treated with kindness and respect than their other run-of-the-mill employees under contract.
And yes, they were total strangers in the beginning, but MC through spending time with the DeLucas, have gained affection (Luna, Gracie, Isabel) or respect (Cordia, Wilfred) from the characters.

He's not their blood, but by spending time with them like a member of the Family, MC is learning more about the Family as more story is revealed. Same for the DeLucas as well. They are also learning more about the MC as days go by (regarding his character, what he's capable of etc) getting closer to him (not just the girls & Cordia, but Wilfred and Antonio as well).

Regarding Cordia being disappointed, well disappointment does not always necessarily result in anger (sometimes it can, but other times it doesn't). One can have affection/respect for another person, and yet be disappointed by an action that person did, without resorting to being mad or angry about it.
Yes, all true, but besides the point, since the bugs where planted at the begging of the game before any feelings developed, also, it doesn't matter if it wasn't a normal contract, he is a prisoner non the less, he didn't want to be part of this life, he was good where he was, so yes although it being a weird contract has allowed the situation to come to where it is, but it doesn't change the fact that he is a prisoner to it
 

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Yes, all true, but besides the point, since the bugs where planted at the begging of the game before any feelings developed, also, it doesn't matter if it wasn't a normal contract, he is a prisoner non the less, he didn't want to be part of this life, he was good where he was, so yes although it being a weird contract has allowed the situation to come to where it is, but it doesn't change the fact that he is a prisoner to it
From MC's point of view, in the beginning everyone was a complete stranger, but from Cordia's point of view, I think there is certain degree of affection/respect that already exists towards the MC that didn't exist with the other members of the Family.

She's the one who orders MC to be treated well (to everyone's confusion), and it's due to her wishes that MC gets to dine together with the rest of the Family members. She even asks to MC there how he feels and whether he's been treated well.

She could have just given him a meal and told him to eat by himself (or with other typical "employees under contract" of DeLucas) without joining the Family for dinner because he's not their blood.
Also, there's the fact that Antonio mentions that Cordia was furious to find out someone tried to poison the MC as well.

Perhaps this soft spot Cordia has for MC has to do with her own past friendship with MC's mom Rina. Or it could also be her mysterious past with MC's father. We won't know until much later. But it's certain Cordia went through great lengths to make sure MC is treated well.

Don't know about you, but for me, I'm getting the feeling the whole "Forced Contract" with the MC is just semantics to her to keep MC around (though I just don't think there's any nefarious plan in design regarding the MC from her to be honest).

As to why Cordia would be disappointed? Well, you can only be disappointed in someone when you know that person, and you have certain expectations regarding that person. Cordia is finding out more about MC with him spending time with everyone in the Family, and with her free-roam event approaching (possibly after Eiza's sister story update is done? Though who knows), she will spend more time with MC and get closer with him.
If Cordia caught a run-of-the-mill employee who was using bugs to spy on the Family, then she wouldn't care about the employee at all (unless that person was close to Cordia herself), & would have no problem seeing the person eliminated.

But it's MC that is being looked at here. I just see the whole "He is a prisoner" aspect of the forced contract as mere technicality at this point.
And with MC basically developing great relationship with all the girls (including Cordia), if MC gets caught doing something she (Cordia) does not approve, I think she'd be disappointed (if the player chose audio, she'd be more understanding, and while disappointed, may be more forgiving like her catching MC red-handed in her office situation.

Though if the player chose the cameras, I doubt she'll be as lenient especially with MC going "peeping Tom" mode on her girls).

p.s. I think I'm just gonna leave this debate here. It was fun and all, but I think we're basically going around in circles with this. And I'd rather finish this with "Let's just agree to disagree."
 
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From MC's point of view, in the beginning everyone was a complete stranger, but from Cordia's point of view, I think there is certain degree of affection/respect that already exists towards the MC that didn't exist with the other members of the Family.

She's the one who orders MC to be treated well (to everyone's confusion), and it's due to her wishes that MC gets to dine together with the rest of the Family members. She even asks to MC there how he feels and whether he's been treated well.

She could have just given him a meal and told him to eat by himself (or with other typical "employees under contract" of DeLucas) without joining the Family for dinner because he's not their blood.
Also, there's the fact that Antonio mentions that Cordia was furious to find out someone tried to poison the MC as well.

Perhaps this soft spot Cordia has for MC has to do with her own past friendship with MC's mom Rina. Or it could also be her mysterious past with MC's father. We won't know until much later. But it's certain Cordia went through great lengths to make sure MC is treated well.

Don't know about you, but for me, I'm getting the feeling the whole "Forced Contract" with the MC is just semantics to her to keep MC around (though I just don't think there's any nefarious plan in design regarding the MC from her to be honest).

As to why Cordia would be disappointed? Well, you can only be disappointed in someone when you know that person, and you have certain expectations regarding that person. Cordia is finding out more about MC with him spending time with everyone in the Family, and with her free-roam event approaching (possibly after Eiza's sister story update is done? Though who knows), she will spend more time with MC and get closer with him.
If Cordia caught a run-of-the-mill employee who was using bugs to spy on the Family, then she wouldn't care about the employee at all (unless that person was close to Cordia herself), & would have no problem seeing the person eliminated.

But it's MC that is being looked at here. I just see the whole "He is a prisoner" aspect of the forced contract as mere technicality at this point.
And with MC basically developing great relationship with all the girls (including Cordia), if MC gets caught doing something she (Cordia) does not approve, I think she'd be disappointed (if the player chose audio, she'd be more understanding, and while disappointed, may be more forgiving like her catching MC red-handed in her office situation.

Though if the player chose the cameras, I doubt she'll be as lenient especially with MC going "peeping Tom" mode on her girls).
Again, you are arguing from the present perspective, and about Cordia, if she was so callous as to not be able to empathize with the Mc, which she isn't as proven by the scene when she finds him in her office, and as I said in a previous post, logically speaking a camera is better because you capture hidden compartments, faces, documents, etc... I'm not saying she shouldn't be upset, or wouldn't be, but that if she stops to think about it, she won't be for long, and as far as she was shown, she is rather logical, well, not when it is about Luna, but that is a whole other monster.

And yes, the contract is obviously just a way to keep him there, I don't think there is I'll intent, I'm just talking from the past perspective, and Mc's at that, from present-day I get the feeling that the contract is something the Mc's mother might have very well requested to keep him safe from someone from her's and Cordia's past. Or because she knew she was about to die and wanted Cordia to take care of him, or at least finish his training.
 

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Again, you are arguing from the present perspective, and about Cordia, if she was so callous as to not be able to empathize with the Mc, which she isn't as proven by the scene when she finds him in her office, and as I said in a previous post, logically speaking a camera is better because you capture hidden compartments, faces, documents, etc... I'm not saying she shouldn't be upset, or wouldn't be, but that if she stops to think about it, she won't be for long, and as far as she was shown, she is rather logical, well, not when it is about Luna, but that is a whole other monster.

And yes, the contract is obviously just a way to keep him there, I don't think there is I'll intent, I'm just talking from the past perspective, and Mc's at that, from present-day I get the feeling that the contract is something the Mc's mother might have very well requested to keep him safe from someone from her's and Cordia's past. Or because she knew she was about to die and wanted Cordia to take care of him, or at least finish his training.
Like I said in the previous reply,

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Been going through gallery replays of the game lately, and some interesting tidbits about Cynthia, aka "Queen C."

- One of DeLuca Family's 4 Serpents
- According to Gottardo, only her, along with Wilfred knows "Serpent"'s true name (though I'm getting the feeling he's a little bit misinformed there, if my suspicion that Rina's ex-fiance = "Serpent" turns out to be true. If that's the case, Cordia would know also).
- She is Luna's teacher.
- Luna is aspiring to be like her in the future (gruesome & vile).
- She gives Gracie relationship advices.
- Gracie wears her old Serpent uniform to the beach prison event.
- She warns Gottardo that he talks too much.
- She went to a formal event in dress and high heels accompanying Cordia.
- According to Hopes (as answer to one of my previous questions), one word to describe her personality is "Wild."

She hasn't even made her debut yet, and there's a lot of information that is laid out already about her that gets me excited for her.


Compared to her, there seems to be little to no information told about the 4th Serpent yet, other than according to Hopes, the personality to describe this Serpent is "Evil."

I don't know, for some reason, I'm thinking perhaps the character may be similar to Kramer from Saw franchise with all his death traps (or I could be totally off the mark, who knows).

I wonder whether we'll see other characters mentioning the 4th Serpent like with Cynthia, or whether he/she'll remain shrouded in mystery/mystery until the actual reveal.
 

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I have a feeling by the end of this we'll be killing those serpents.

Cordia says the old ones betrayed her.

History has a habit of repeating itself.
 

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I have a feeling by the end of this we'll be killing those serpents.

Cordia says the old ones betrayed her.

History has a habit of repeating itself.
Giacobbe does say "Serpents" betrayed Cordia, but it's a bit unclear whether it was all the Serpents, or just MC's mom Rina, and his father (with "Serpent" i.e. Rina's ex-fiance siding with Cordia from beginning).

It could possibly be that "Serpent" originally sided with betrayers, but later switched sides to the betrayed (Cordia), hence he hides his face partly to cover his identity, but also partly due to his shame for his past act.

Guess without the flashbacks exploring this, it would be difficult to know.

Not sure about killing of the Serpents to be honest. If they do die, I'd prefer for them to go out in a blaze of glory rather than us having to kill them for something like betrayal.

If they do perish, well the Family already has 3 candidates who are either aiming for Serpent, or actually has Serpent level potential (MC, Luna, Gracie, not sure who 4th would be).

Serves them right for calling themselves the serpents.

Next team should be the puppy tigers. Everybody loves tigers and everybody love puppies. Win-win!
Well considering that the Family's symbol is Serpent itself, just imagine having puppy tigers symbols on their chest lol (from soldado onwards)

Not sure about the second generation ("Serpent", Gottardo, Cynthia, 4th Serpent), but with the first generation (Cordia, Rina, "Serpent", MC's dad), if I remember correctly (as mentioned by Cordia to MC) it was their enemies that started calling them that, and they didn't give that name themselves.
 
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(MC, Luna, Gracie, not sure who 4th would be).
I have 2 theories.

1 is Joey. Overlooked to point of hilarity despite the fact he managed to sneak into a highly defended position with Gracie and completely screw up their defense.

2 is MC's friend from the the other family. Something tells me there is more to him.

The games art shows the 3 girls and MC but I have a hard time seeing Isabel as the 4th unless teasing is considered a special ability.

Unless it's Cordia again.
 
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