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Avaron1974

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Yeah, i see your point, even if i don't agree with it.
We'll never agree with everything hunni, it makes the world a more interesting place.

I wasn't trying to change your mind just wanted to get my point across. I have your point and now we're just waiting for the plot to move forward.

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Ya dick.

Sorry, couldn't resist :p
 
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Ayhsel

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Compared to the usual standard bullshit we get here, serious Deluca conversation is sooooo anticlimatic.
 

Avaron1974

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Compared to the usual standard bullshit we get here, serious Deluca conversation is sooooo anticlimatic.
I know, I think we're foruming wrong.

I think we're supposed to complain about stuff and demand Hopes makes the game we want in which case I demand the DeLuca's get pet cats.
 

JJJ84

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As much as I love Gracie, I think you guys are overestimating her a little bit, yes, she is a potential danger, but she lacks in d&d terms wisdom while having lots of int, my stats for her would be something like 22 int, 18 dex, 08 charisma, 9 wisdom, and 10 strength, she is exceptional at some things, but subpar in others, Cordia probably is a 18 in everything, which makes her more dangerous, and mc, well he is hard to figure out I would say 12 int, 16 dex, 14 strength, 12 wisdom, 14 charisma, or something like that, in pure intellect, sure, he is outclassed, but overall he has more potential.
Sorry, nerded out quite a bit there, but this was the best way for me to explain how I see things.
Also, as i said, she knows she is the smartest person in the room, so she does let her guard down quite a lot, due to being quite cocky
For me, I'm more wary of Gracie than Cordia & Luna (should MC's bugs being found out) because of Gracie's lack of social understanding, and the way that she tends to see things in black & white (which is not always the case, because there are at times situations with shades of grey) more than other characters.

I don't know, those attributes, and Gracie's behavior until now just seems to be sending me more alarm bells than Cordia & Luna if I'm being honest (and this is despite the fact that Gracie's not really my favorite character. I like her a lot, but still Luna's always been my favorite, followed by Cordia. Third place used to be tussle between Isabel and Gracie, but at the moment Isabel is slightly ahead).
 
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For me it is obvious clear that Wilfred know about the spy device. And for his persona he personly have given the MC the packet with the device in it. If he didn't know it better he would also joke about it as he has done with every other parcel the MC has ordered and received.
Thus if Wilfred knows it then Cordia too. Also it would be weird and insrutable if a new person like the MC would be put in the main house without some kind of observation. For myself it is crystal clear that Wilfred knows every move the MC has done and planned. Maybe this will change in the future but in the current state he is no match for him.

For the possible threads of the MC regarding the spy devices or general:
  • Wilfred and Cordia are the ones with the most power behind them. I also see Wilfred above Cordia. He trained her, now his her right and left hand and have never stopped to guid her or act in what he seems is the best for her. I would bet, he would stop her even with some force, if he believe it is for necessary for her in the long run and somehow I believe he would be succesful. Yet both of them acted as they belief of the MC and will guiding him to his future role. So to really terminate him, seems highly unlikely. The whole Cordia kissing scene act as proof for this point.
  • Gracie is unstable. As others pointed out quite sure the most intellligent of the cast by a fair margin. Yet she lacks in all other department. For her to discover the spy device she will be hurt, not in first line because of the MC, but because he outsmarted her.
    As I've wrote before if she didn't snap out, then you're save with her, more than with the others sometimes. Because she lacks some of the human emotion and if you don't be in her "enemy" list, then you must be a friend. Something between doesn't exist.
  • Luna will be hurt if she find out that the MC spied on her. Nothing other make sense for me here. Surely the MC can explain why he had made his moves and because of the past Luna will understand the why - and don't kill him because of this and the oath. But she still will be hurt and need some time and effort form both of you to accept it and repair the loss of trust she has suffered because of this.
  • Isabel most likely be furious, yet she's the hardest for me to "predict". I think, she will need some time and sisterly love from Luna and Gracie, mabye some encouraging words from Cordia or some deep explanation from Wilfred, but I don't think her warth will take long to settle done. Or she could snap out, tell Antonio about it, then he will snap out and if none other interfer and hold him back, you go direct to where the fish live: Go straight to death, don't pass Go, do not collect Luna or any other love interest.:p
 
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Not yet, she [Eiza] hasn't had enough screen time to put her in the same league as the love interests. At the moment she's still firmly in side character friendzone.
Would be willing to promote her to "friendzone with benefitzone" though ...

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For me it is obvious clear that Wilfred know about the spy device. And for his persona he personly have given the MC the packet with the device in it. If he didn't know it better he would also joke about it as he has done with every other parcel the MC has ordered and received.
Thus if Wilfred knows it then Cordia too. Also it would be weird and insrutable if a new person like the MC would be put in the main house without some kind of observation. For myself it is crystal clear that Wilfred knows every move the MC has done and planned. Maybe this will change in the future but in the current state he is no match for him.

For the possible threads of the MC regarding the spy devices or general:
  • Wilfred and Cordia are the ones with the most power behind them. I also see Wilfred above Cordia. He trained her, now his her right and left hand and have never stopped to guid her or act in what he seems is the best for her. I would bet, he would stop her even with some force, if he believe it is for necessary for her in the long run and somehow I believe he would be succesful. Yet both of them acted as they belief of the MC and will guiding him to his future role. So to really terminate him, seems highly unlikely. The whole Cordia kissing scene act as proof for this point.
  • Gracie is unstable. As others pointed out quite sure the most intellligent of the cast by a fair margin. Yet she lacks in all other department. For her to discover the spy device she will be hurt, not in first line because of the MC, but because he outsmarted her.
    As I've wrote before if she didn't snap out, then you're save with her, more than with the others sometimes. Because she lacks some of the human emotion and if you don't be in her "enemy" list, then you must be a friend. Someting between doesn't exist.
  • Luna will be hurt if she find out that the MC spied on her. Nothing other make sense for me here. Surely the MC can explain why he had made his moves and because of the past Luna will understand the why - and don't kill him because of this and the oath. But she still will be hurt and need some time and effort form both of you to accept it and repair the loss of trust she has suffered because of this.
  • Isabel most likely be furious, yet she's the hardest for me to "predict". I think, she will need some time and sisterly love from Luna and Gracie, mabye some encouraging words from Cordia or some deep explanation from Wilfred, but I don't think her warth will take long to settle done. Or she could snap out, tell Antonio about it, then he will snap out and if none other interfer and hold him back, you go direct to where the fish live: Go straight to death, don't pass Go, do not collect Luna or any other love interest.:p
Agreed. If the bugs were found out, I think with Cordia, probably her reaction towards the MC would be disappointed, though perhaps would be understanding (like she did when she caught MC in her office "I don't approve of your actions, but I understand.") depending on whether it's camera or audio bug.
With audio, I can see her being lenient, with camera, I can see her being strict on MC (given that he can peek on her daughters' rooms lol) and even give punishment (with 0.07, I might just make 2 saves, one with camera, and one with audio).
But even with punishment, I'm kinda doubting it will be severe. Cordia really seems to have a soft spot for MC (with her friendship with MC's mom Rina, and the possible mysterious relationship with MC's father).

With exception of Wilfred, Gracie is the most intelligent character I believe. But I think compared to Luna, she fails to read the mood or intentions of characters (such as when MC didn't want to go too much into his childhood in beachhouse prison event, she tried to push him saying "We have time." Luna had to intervene saying "Gracie! He said he'll talk about it another time!" Also, there's Jalen's event as well, where Luna understood the true meaning behind Jalen's warning, whereas Gracie just took it as threat towards the family).
Just comes to show while highly intelligent, Gracie has a long way to go in terms of social understanding.

Luna, I think may be mix between hurt and angry. But I think MC reached a milestone with her in terms of relationship (evolving possibly from "very good friends" to "love"), so I think he'll be forgiven.

Agree that Isabel is most tricky to predict.
 
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Who was the one that ported to android the previous version before v6.5? The one with 0011 when you open the game? The latest android version doesn't update the previous android version.
 

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Agreed. If the bugs were found out, I think with Cordia, probably her reaction towards the MC would be disappointed, though perhaps would be understanding (like she did when she caught MC in her office "I don't approve of your actions, but I understand.") depending on whether it's camera or audio bug.
With audio, I can see her being lenient, with camera, I can see her being strict on MC (given that he can peek on her daughters' rooms lol) and even give punishment (with 0.07, I might just make 2 saves, one with camera, and one with audio).
But even with punishment, I'm kinda doubting it will be severe. Cordia really seems to have a soft spot for MC (with her friendship with MC's mom Rina, and the possible mysterious relationship with MC's father).

With exception of Wilfred, Gracie is the most intelligent character I believe. But I think compared to Luna, she fails to read the mood or intentions of characters (such as when MC didn't want to go too much into his childhood in beachhouse prison event, she tried to push him saying "We have time." Luna had to intervene saying "Gracie! He said he'll talk about it another time!" Also, there's Jalen's event as well, where Luna understood the true meaning behind Jalen's warning, whereas Gracie just took it as threat towards the family).
Just comes to show while highly intelligent, Gracie has a long way to go in terms of social understanding.

Luna, I think may be mix between hurt and angry. But I think MC reached a milestone with her in terms of relationship (evolving possibly from "very good friends" to "love"), so I think he'll be forgiven.

Agree that Isabel is most tricky to predict.
again, I believe Wilfred and Cordia already know, and about Cordia being disappointed, How could she? you guys are forgetting that these people are not his family, they were not his friends, as far as he knows they are his captors, and jailers for a crime that his parents committed, so the only way for her to be disappointed or mad, is if she also forgot that.
 

Avaron1974

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again, I believe Wilfred and Cordia already know, and about Cordia being disappointed, How could she? you guys are forgetting that these people are not his family, they were not his friends, as far as he knows they are his captors, and jailers for a crime that his parents committed, so the only way for her to be disappointed or mad, is if she also forgot that.
It's Luna i'm more bothered about finding out and not because she's unstable.

She doesn't trust people yet lets the MC in and they do the whole pact thing.

Finding out he's being spying will kill any trust they built up.
 

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It's Luna i'm more bothered about finding out and not because she's unstable.

She doesn't trust people yet lets the MC in and they do the whole pact thing.

Finding out he's being spying will kill any trust they built up.
yeah, that is true, I hope there is an option to come clean at some point, just trying to take the devices out is another risk.
 

Avaron1974

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yeah, that is true, I hope there is an option to come clean at some point, just trying to take the devices out is another risk.
Yeah, Master of Puppets had a point with that, didn't think of Gracie or anyone else keeping an eye on him. She knows he's up to something so that stands to reason.

That being said I think those that only put in a listening device will come out a lot better than those that went full creep with the cameras.
 
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Is our deep and meaningful conversation not enough for you?
it's a nice conversation. but in fact, i still waiting the next chapter. it makes me more exciting because there's only 2 games that make me always come to f95zone. deluca and being a dik.
 

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I think Isabel will eventually come clean with Antonio, stay his beard, and get impregnated by the MC as a way to continue the family line.

Now, discuss!
 

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I think Isabel will eventually come clean with Antonio, stay his beard, and get impregnated by the MC as a way to continue the family line.

Now, discuss!
How does getting impregnated by somebody else is continuing the family line? If they just care about that, getting MC with Luna or Gracie makes more sense.

Note: my understanding is that blood in mafia settings matter. I personally don't care at all about that.
 
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