Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[Malicre]

At least not until you're really on the home stretch, I agree. There is so much that can go wrong, from botched climaxes to completely out of character rushed finishes. There's also always the chance that somebody realizes the forced boring 5 minute mini games weren't such a good idea after all and suddenly the game is fun. I'd argue that in games like Parental Love or Dating My Daughter, which are technically not finished yet, you're safe to go.

But agreed, for me the DeLucas are not rate-able yet. Three star games with ups and downs can be rated earlier than those vying for the five.

DeLucas is def in my top 3, it's pretty impressive, the latest isabela arc was well done but the biggest plus this game has for me is its worldbuilding and lore, it kinda feels like john wick but with more emphasis on family then revenge.

 

[HopesGaming]

If you want to troll all day go right ahead but leave me out of it, if you have a real complaint about my review thats not an opinion like is it slavery or a new type of forced work i just made up, but something factually incorrect like me calling it sex when there is no sex tag(which i have already edited to oral sex) then i am happy to change my review.

Other than that i wish you good luck on your game and goodbye.

Of course, Filus.
Me quoting each and every of your 'points' and answering them in-depth is trolling where your review of my whole game without even really mentioned names, events, story elements, or anything else of importance - is not a troll...

Your 'review' is not a review. It's just you crying because you thought the game would contain sex and it didn't.
You even admitted that you thought that oral tag meant that there would be sex in the game.

Anyway, it's fine that you run away. As fun as it is playing around the Filius characters, I have work to do

 

[Ayhsel]

I think people are going to get a rushed ending regardless. Too many unanswered questions and ton of lore that hasn't been expanded upon. That's why i always said this would of been better if it was a book series instead of a game.

Well you do have a point in that there is just ton of Lore there. It is not necessary to explain the beginning of the world to tell a story, though. In fact, from a first person view, it actually make sense that many of the things going on are unknown and remain unknown to the player. You are not a god, after all.

But it needs not be a bad thing. First, suppose this story is over and many questions remain unsolved. Then, Hopes can write another story in the same setting explaining more.

Second, in the limit, visual novels are just the evolution of books. Everything you can do in a book you can do it in a visual novel, but not the other way around. Why? well, a book is just a visual novel with only text. A visual novel has text, images, sound, effects and potentially choices.
Back to the unknown stuff, a visual novel sometimes allows a way out for that thing about unknown motives by allowing several routes. For example, in the first route, you aligned with princess x, so you have no idea why princess y is trying to kill princess x. In the other route, you align with princess y and the motives are explained. So you have more freedom and potentially can tell better stories.

The greatest benefit of the book would be a faster resolution, as writing only is needed. But we would lose on the amazing renders, the flashes of gunshots, the emotion that music can delivered when playing at the right time. For example, a simple render of two persons and the right music can convey love, anger, hatred, solitude, without any text whatsoever. That is a benefit visual novels have that book don't.

At least not until you're really on the home stretch, I agree. There is so much that can go wrong, from botched climaxes to completely out of character rushed finishes. There's also always the chance that somebody realizes the forced boring 5 minute mini games weren't such a good idea after all and suddenly the game is fun. I'd argue that in games like Parental Love or Dating My Daughter, which are technically not finished yet, you're safe to go.

But agreed, for me the DeLucas are not rate-able yet. Three star games with ups and downs can be rated earlier than those vying for the five.

Yes, precisely. I kind of had this discussion before at Love and submission, so let arrogantly quote myself.

I think very few people are actually able to give an objective and valuable review for work in progress projects. Many times people fail to understand that any story can totally change in the last minute and sometimes totally awesome/terrible stories became terrible/awesome just in the last page (The novel, not the movie, I am legend is a great example in my opinion of a barely passable novel written just to make a fantastic ending).

Rating and reviewing implies a more detailed analysis and implies usually a comparison to other examples (the star number is irrelevant if there are no other games to compare to). But usually, those other games are in different states of production, so it is like comparing oranges and bananas. UNLESS the game is finished. But I guess that as long as the reviewer and readers are aware that those are the state of affairs up to X version is fine (and that different developers may focus of things on different order).

 

[TundraLupus]

Would be interested in where you got that info, what you consider "everyday occurence", and what region you're talking about. Sure, in a country of 320 million you're gonna have a couple, but is it common? I'd argue not as much in the "west".

In Brazil, it is very common to people to lose their virginity to cousins, but sure I'll go look for the papers, I entered a genetics discussion yesterday and look for stuff like birth defects so I stumbled upon a lot of these, but for sake of brevity search on google "cousins that are married" and go to the first wiki, there it already says that 10% of all marriages are between cousins of the first or second degree, that only talking about marriage, most people in an immediate family would hide such relationship, maybe because in their country it is illegal, maybe because their country is super religious or some other reason.
Edit: The main problem with trying to find this information is that incest is still viewed as a bad thing to many (you know colonists and religious pricks did a number on the world), so most of the information is biased and most of the incest mentions come from rape accusations and such, probably because people that are happy with it don't announce it to the world, but mostly because of bias.

 

[c3p0]

Everything you can do in a book you can do it in a visual novel, but not the other way around. Why? well, a book is just a visual novel with only text. A visual novel has text, images, sound, effects and potentially choices.

While I agree with most, let me add my two cent to this.
All things you can't do in a book are mucis and videos. Different stories, protagonist, even choice are an option. The difference would be that rather than the programm follows your path, you must and jump through the book.

 

[Badjourasmix]

In Brazil, it is very common to people to lose their virginity to cousins, but sure I'll go look for the papers, I entered a genetics discussion yesterday and look for stuff like birth defects so I stumbled upon a lot of these, but for sake of brevity search on google "cousins that are married" and go to the first wiki, there it already says that 10% of all marriages are between cousins of the first or second degree, that only talking about marriage, most people in an immediate family would hide such relationship, maybe because in their country it is illegal, maybe because their country is super religious or some other reason.
Edit: The main problem with trying to find this information is that incest is still viewed as a bad thing to many (you know colonists and religious pricks did a number on the world), so most of the information is biased and most of the incest mentions come from rape accusations and such, probably because people that are happy with it don't announce it to the world, but mostly because of bias.

In this thread too? Come on man! Just kidding. That is actually true marriages between cousins are more common than people would like to believe.

 

[TundraLupus]

In this thread to? Come on man! Just kidding. That is actually true marriages between cousins are more common than people would like to believe.

They asked!

 

[Ayhsel]

While I agree with most, let me add my two cent to this.
All things you can't do in a book are mucis and videos. Different stories, protagonist, even choice are an option. The difference would be that rather than the programm follows your path, you must and jump through the book.

Oh yes of course hehe

Spoiler: so nostalgic

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[TundraLupus]

While I agree with most, let me add my two cent to this.
All things you can't do in a book are mucis and videos. Different stories, protagonist, even choice are an option. The difference would be that rather than the programm follows your path, you must and jump through the book.

Although these days you can make them in programs made specifically for these types of stories so it jumps around for you, or you could be crazy and make everything in HTML or java from scratch like one of my favorites CYOA games.

 

[Malicre]

Second, in the limit, visual novels are just the evolution of books. Everything you can do in a book you can do it in a visual novel, but not the other way around. Why? well, a book is just a visual novel with only text. A visual novel has text, images, sound, effects and potentially choices.
Back to the unknown stuff, a visual novel sometimes allows a way out for that thing about unknown motives by allowing several routes. For example, in the first route, you aligned with princess x, so you have no idea why princess y is trying to kill princess x. In the other route, you align with princess y and the motives are explained. So you have more freedom and potentially can tell better stories.

The greatest benefit of the book would be a faster resolution, as writing only is needed. But we would lose on the amazing renders, the flashes of gunshots, the emotion that music can delivered when playing at the right time. For example, a simple render of two persons and the right music can convey love, anger, hatred, solitude, without any text whatsoever. That is a benefit visual novels have that book don't.



Yes, precisely. I kind of had this discussion before at Love and submission, so let arrogantly quote myself.

Yeah but i was looking at the bigger picture, i want to see the world and character lore as there is a TON of stuff we have no clue about and like u said the difference between a visual novel and a book series is the amount of time it takes. I guess it all comes down to how much hope really wants to evolve this "world" and how much time/effort he thinks its worth.

Stuff we are in the dark about

MC father/mother
His contract
Cordia husband
the other 2 serpents
the other families
the organization behind the families (forgot what its called)
More of the Mysterious Six

And theres a ton more, we have barely even scratched the surface. It literally feels like the game is only 5-10% complete.

 

[Ayhsel]

MC father/mother
Cordia husband
the other 2 serpents
the other families
the organization behind the families (forgot what its called)
More of the Mysterious Six

My assumption was that all this will be covered in the current game. The other families will most likely not get so much detailed attention as DeLuca, but some of them will be covered here when we have to deal with them, and because of Cordia and MC's family histories.

 

[Cartageno]

My assumption was that all this will be covered in the current game. The other families will most likely not get so much detailed attention as DeLuca, but some of them will be covered here when we have to deal with them, and because of Cordia and MC's family histories.

I would agree. There are families and they're vying for power. We don't need the whole history and balance for that to be understood. What's missing in the list though is of course the whole slavery, ehm, contract situation, but I guess that will unravel while we find out about the parents, serpents, M6, and so on.

 

[HopesGaming]

Remember.
There are many parts that people may have deep questions about - but not necessarily something that takes a long time to get through.

 

[RustyCooter]

Could you imagine if this game does have a tragic type of ending like acting lessons situation where you have to choose who dies or save. Like having to choose between Luna and Gracie. I like Luna more but I could never want anything to happen to Gracie either. Luna would be pissed if you saved her over Gracie.

 

[Malicre]

Remember.
There are many parts that people may have deep questions about - but not necessarily something that takes a long time to get through.

It kinda is if you add on the other romance routes that we are assuming are still happening (cordia and cynthia?) tho i dont know if either one of those have ever been confirmed and if those routes do get added that's going to take even more time/effort on your part.

 

[Malicre]

Could you imagine if this game does have a tragic type of ending like acting lessons situation where you have to choose who dies or save. Like having to choose between Luna and Gracie. I like Luna more but I could never want anything to happen to Gracie either. Luna would be pissed if you saved her over Gracie.

Iv always said there is 3 ways this game ends

MC + Luna Route (Forced)
MC + Family Harem Route (he takes over as head of the family)
MC dies for the family.

 

[TundraLupus]

Could you imagine if this game does have a tragic type of ending like acting lessons situation where you have to choose who dies or save. Like having to choose between Luna and Gracie. I like Luna more but I could never want anything to happen to Gracie either. Luna would be pissed if you saved her over Gracie.

I already have a shitty life, and depression, I don't need my porn games to have sad endings, it wouldn't change that is a good game, but still.

 

[TedMaul]

I already have a shitty life, and depression, I don't need my porn games to have sad endings, it wouldn't change that is a good game, but still.

I hope you're ok? Depression can be an awful thing and I can relate as I suffer too. I love this game. For me it's really not a porn game at all. It's a really entertaining VN, with great storytelling and characters. I've actually avoided any lewd choices so far as I see the De Luca's as a surrogate family for the MC. I'm not into incest games to be honest, Luna and Gracie are sisters, Cordia is the MC's mom and Wilfred being the father figure he didn't have. Isabel is another matter though

 

[TundraLupus]

I hope you're ok? Depression can be an awful thing and I can relate as I suffer too. I love this game. For me it's really not a porn game at all. It's a really entertaining VN, with great storytelling and characters. I've actually avoided any lewd choices so far as I see the De Luca's as a surrogate family for the MC. I'm not into incest games to be honest, Luna and Gracie are sisters, Cordia is the MC's mom and Wilfred being the father figure he didn't have. Isabel is another matter though

I'm relatively ok, and I said that mostly as a joke(the porn game part), although I disagree on the surrogate family for many reasons, some of them being his mother is still alive, they literally just met, and he already has a surrogate family in his best friend and his family, although he did try and distance himself from that world.

 

[Malicre]

Cordia is the MC's mom

Wait wtf, thats news to me.