Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[Lord_Raven]

Cross overs are always hard for devs.
There is a heavy bias by each dev on their own characters so it is hard to coordinate how the cross over will be. Imo, this is an understandable thing by devs. Their characters are their love. Their kids.
They don't want to have their characters 'submit' to the cross over characters and don't want their characters to act a way that is out of character. This automatically makes it hard for two devs to cooperate as they don't want to sound rude but at the same time may not like the idea of how the situation will go for the cross over. Both want their characters to shine.

This is usually amplified when it is the main character (such as Luna or Gracie).

Secondly, the theme of the games is heavily different.
Mafia games are not just mafia games. Most are based on realism and slice of life kind of style while the deluca is very much cartoonish/anime style. The power scales are very different.

It can of course still be done. But very unlikely.

I like the idea of funsie crossovers that don't involve the main games. Such as the thing Philly and I did with using both our characters and make one render.

So in regards to my comment about Gracie seeing an ad about B&R (the college in Being a DIK) would probably be a no. But the thing about Quinn possibly working for one of Deluca's rival families could potentially happen due to it being far enough remove from the main characters but because BaDIK is so different from Deluca, it most likely won't happen? Again not that Deluca needs camios or Easter eggs, just that it's fun to see or create our own theories on how you could tie games together.

 

[JJJ84]

Cross overs are always hard for devs.
There is a heavy bias by each dev on their own characters so it is hard to coordinate how the cross over will be. Imo, this is an understandable thing by devs. Their characters are their love. Their kids.
They don't want to have their characters 'submit' to the cross over characters and don't want their characters to act a way that is out of character. This automatically makes it hard for two devs to cooperate as they don't want to sound rude but at the same time may not like the idea of how the situation will go for the cross over. Both want their characters to shine.

This is usually amplified when it is the main character (such as Luna or Gracie).

Secondly, the theme of the games is heavily different.
Mafia games are not just mafia games. Most are based on realism and slice of life kind of style while the deluca is very much cartoonish/anime style. The power scales are very different.

It can of course still be done. But very unlikely.

I like the idea of funsie crossovers that don't involve the main games. Such as the thing Philly and I did with using both our characters and make one render.

Well said.
I did mention power scales would likely be an issue for any potential crossovers (in one of my previous comments), but I failed to take into account the realism many (mafia) games tend to go for compared to exaggerated hyper setting that DeLuca represents, plus the most important the difficulty in reaching an agreement between the devs themselves.

But I admit, it did make for a brief fun conversation topic though (while we wait for the update).

 

[Lord_Raven]

Well said.
I did mention power scales would likely be an issue for any potential crossovers (in one of my previous comments), but I failed to take into account the realism many (mafia) games tend to go for compared to exaggerated hyper setting that DeLuca represents, plus the most important the difficulty in reaching an agreement between the devs themselves.

But I admit, it did make for a brief fun conversation topic though (while we wait for the update).

Exactly. I love creating fan theories and head cannons about how two things could connect and be in the same universe. Often it's just to be silly but sometimes you end up tricking yourself into believing it (like when you watch a dumb conspiracy video to make fun of it but then you get sucked down the rabbit hole and it starts making sense)

 

[JJJ84]

So in regards to my comment about Gracie seeing an ad about B&R (the college in Being a DIK) would probably be a no. But the thing about Quinn possibly working for one of Deluca's rival families could potentially happen due to it being far enough remove from the main characters but because BaDIK is so different from Deluca, it most likely won't happen? Again not that Deluca needs camios or Easter eggs, just that it's fun to see or create our own theories on how you could tie games together.

I think my interpretation is (after reading Hopes' response) it wouldn't make sense for Quinn to be working for DeLuca's rival families, because you gotta consider the way all characters are and the world they're in for each game.

Like Hopes said, in DeLuca, the whole world and basically all characters are exaggerated. Whether this exaggeration is in regards to one's strength, agility, intelligence, personality, (or any other distinct trait) etc depends on the character. A lot of times, it's hyper, amped up.

Compared to that, BaDIK is basically slice of life, its world focused very much on realism (except MC's conquests of girls/women ).

With a crossover (not funsie, but crossovers of characters actually going from one game to another game, canonically), it happens with the assumption that the 2 games are in the same universe, and that's just not possible with these two games (also, my guess is that even though not MCs [or even side character for that matter], drug dealers/junkies in DeLuca universe would be much more dangerous than the drug dealer drug dealers/junkies in BaDIK world)

It just doesn't gel at all with each other due to how different they are (in fact, it's the same case with DeLuca and any other game).

Of course, I'm also not free at all from the fault of thinking the same way as you either (slapping my own forehead in shame), throwing around my "Serpent crossing over to another game" or "possible Alexandra & DeLuca crossover" silly/absurd ideas before Hopes explained well in why it wouldn't work.

And I'm fine with that (just keeping it as "What if" but non-canon scenarios in the head). Funsie crossovers as Hopes mentioned in his reply is all good.

 

[Deleted member 2914157]

Luna did appear in Timestamps. Either ch.1 or ch.2

 

[K18]

On the crossover topic, there's one thing i didn't see nobody mention in regards to games "Alexandra" and "Haley's Story" crossover. I'd say the reason that crossover worked well was because the developer Ptolemy is involved in the creation of both games, co-created "Haley's Story" with developer Viitgames.

Crossovers seems to be one of those "looks good on paper", but bad in practice ideas.

Safer bet would probably be some blink and you'll miss it Easter eggs, small shout-outs and cameos that doesn't effect the individual series' story.

 

[c3p0]

On the crossover topic, there's one thing i didn't see nobody mention in regards to games "Alexandra" and "Haley's Story" crossover.

So, I'm nobody.

For crossovers I'm more than happy with the current situation. I don't think a real all canon crossover will work well - and for another reason you must find a dev that want to do it and stick to it, when the crossover spread over a longer time period. Know one example where this was the sore point.

Also the Timestamp example, even though I don't know it from personal experience, is more a cameo than a "real" crossover. I think a lot of funny cameo could be possible.

 

[K18]

So, I'm nobody.

For crossovers I'm more than happy with the current situation. I don't think a real all canon crossover will work well - and for another reason you must find a dev that want to do it and stick to it, when the crossover spread over a longer time period. Know one example where this was the sore point.

Also the Timestamp example, even though I don't know it from personal experience, is more a cameo than a "real" crossover. I think a lot of funny cameo could be possible.

Oh, you mentioned it. My bad. Here's a hug.

I seen some games that did cameos with the other game appearing as a movie on a TV screen.

 

[Cartageno]

Before anyone says "But we dont know where Lucania is", some of us do, Lucania is in the south of italy, along the western coast, the real life Deluca family (Not mafia, just aristocrats) get their name as being the Sons of Lucania - De Luca.

Ah, I didn't know that, thanks for mentioning. By the architecture and general looks of the city I would always have put it into South Tyrol or similar, close to the Alps region. Of course people over there have mostly German names, instead of DeLuca.

Cross overs are always hard for devs.

As you - and others - said, it depends on the typo of cross over, and I fully agree. A small fun one, like a play with character names, character look-something-alikes and similar can pretty easily be done, even between a fantasy, a sci-fi, and a noir game. A full fledged one including the "real" character however can become difficult to explain and also ruin the immersion in the main story if it takes too much of the focus.

 

[Lord_Raven]

I think my interpretation is (after reading Hopes' response) it wouldn't make sense for Quinn to be working for DeLuca's rival families, because you gotta consider the way all characters are and the world they're in for each game.

Like Hopes said, in DeLuca, the whole world and basically all characters are exaggerated. Whether this exaggeration is in regards to one's strength, agility, intelligence, personality, (or any other distinct trait) etc depends on the character. A lot of times, it's hyper, amped up.

Compared to that, BaDIK is basically slice of life, its world focused very much on realism (except MC's conquests of girls/women ).

With a crossover (not funsie, but crossovers of characters actually going from one game to another game, canonically), it happens with the assumption that the 2 games are in the same universe, and that's just not possible with these two games (also, my guess is that even though not MCs [or even side character for that matter], drug dealers/junkies in DeLuca universe would be much more dangerous than the drug dealer drug dealers/junkies in BaDIK world)

It just doesn't gel at all with each other due to how different they are (in fact, it's the same case with DeLuca and any other game).

Of course, I'm also not free at all from the fault of thinking the same way as you either (slapping my own forehead in shame), throwing around my "Serpent crossing over to another game" or "possible Alexandra & DeLuca crossover" silly/absurd ideas before Hopes explained well in why it wouldn't work.

And I'm fine with that (just keeping it as "What if" but non-canon scenarios in the head). Funsie crossovers as Hopes mentioned in his reply is all good.

Agreed. That's why I said it wouldn't happen. No for side characters because the worlds are too different, and no for the main characters because it doesn't fit their personalities. But is is fun to dream and do the "what if" game. Man, all this "what if" and crossover talk has got me thinking about more games and if I would be able to even make a game... I do have a few ideas... I wonder how hard Renpy and DAZ are to work with... Guess I know what I'll be doing this week.

 

[SuperLYC]

I wonder how hard Renpy and DAZ are to work with...

Renpy and DAZ are easy to begin with, very beginner friendly. But if you want to make some good games or renders , there will be tons of things to learn.

 

[Ayhsel]

I am starting to have withdrawal symptoms as the DeLuca junkie I am. I need my DeLuca fix!!

 

[JJJ84]

Felt a bit nostalgic so watched the first Godfather movie last night.

When I came upon the following scene, my mind was like;



'Damn. Would be really cool to see a gathering of the 5 Families like this in DeLuca.

Cordia seated on one of the chairs (along with other Dons), Wilfred seated behind her, & behind them stands "Serpent" & the MC.
Other Dons also are seated & they have their best enforcers/bodyguards with them, with each of the other Don's enforcer/bodyguards trying to get a stare down with "Serpent" (who is standing as he is, looking indifferent to it all), the MC feels the chilly yet heavy, tense vibe in the air.'

 

[Abhai]

Felt a bit nostalgic so watched the first Godfather movie last night.

When I came upon the following scene, my mind was like;

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'Damn. Would be really cool to see a gathering of the 5 Families like this in DeLuca.

Cordia seated on one of the chairs (along with other Dons), Wilfred seated behind him, & behind them stands "Serpent" & the MC.
Other Dons also are seated & they have their best enforcers/bodyguards with them, with each of the other Don's enforcer/bodyguards trying to get a stare down with "Serpent" (who is standing as he is, looking indifferent to it all), the MC feels the chilly yet heavy, tense vibe in the air.'

yep, and it would take around 5 days or so to render that image

 

[Cyndallan]

Felt a bit nostalgic so watched the first Godfather movie last night.

When I came upon the following scene, my mind was like;

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'Damn. Would be really cool to see a gathering of the 5 Families like this in DeLuca.

Cordia seated on one of the chairs (along with other Dons), Wilfred seated behind him, & behind them stands "Serpent" & the MC.
Other Dons also are seated & they have their best enforcers/bodyguards with them, with each of the other Don's enforcer/bodyguards trying to get a stare down with "Serpent" (who is standing as he is, looking indifferent to it all), the MC feels the chilly yet heavy, tense vibe in the air.'

Chilly yet heavy, tense vibe in the air
Is that caused by the floating rock?

(PS can we name it Floaty?)

 

[JJJ84]

Chilly yet heavy, tense vibe in the air
Is that caused by the floating rock?

Yes, the rock is also present.
And the other families' enforcers/bodyguards have no idea what's coming to them.

 

[c3p0]

(PS can we name it Floaty?)

Why not. Can the nun bapitse the floating rock the his new name floaty? And wouldn't she be some kind of goat if she like the rock?

Other Dons also are seated & they have their best enforcers/bodyguards with them, with each of the other Don's enforcer/bodyguards trying to get a stare down with "Serpent" (who is standing as he is, looking indifferent to it all), the MC feels the chilly yet heavy, tense vibe in the air.'

Later we come to know, that floaty was also next to MC and the one Serpent and all enforcer/bodyguards were having their stare down with floaty, who hasn't given a shit about this.

 

[Lord_Raven]

Why not. Can the nun bapitse the floating rock the his new name floaty? And wouldn't she be some kind of goat if she like the rock?


Later we come to know, that floaty was also next to MC and the one Serpent and all enforcer/bodyguards were having their stare down with floaty, who hasn't given a shit about this.

I feel as though I'm on the outside of this joke. Who is Floaty the rock?

 

[Ayhsel]

I feel as though I'm on the outside of this joke. Who is Floaty the rock?

5th serpent. It was a secret character until a spoiler in Discord.

Became famous when in a big waifu war that almost destroyed everything, Floaty saved the day.

 

[JJJ84]

I feel as though I'm on the outside of this joke. Who is Floaty the rock?

Here's a task for you:

Where's "Floaty", the 4th 5th Serpent?