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Master of Puppets

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Oct 5, 2017
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I have to say I hate the new contracts. The old ones weren't amazing either, but at least they were quick, the new ones are just a time sink. I had to restart without them. It's a shame because him doing some minor jobs for the family that aren't connected to the main story is good, but they're way too involved now. The good news for me is that I wasn't caught up before the hiatus as I saw saves were going to break and waited for 0.7, so as I go through the rest of the game there is going to be new stuff for me. :)
 

clms100

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Hi, I have a problem with two missions. The first is "Contract Mission: Burn the Ombras" despite having bought the gun and having it equipped it tells me that I don't have it and does not let me start the mission. The second problem is related to the "What is truly weak is truly strong" event, the fourth main event, I have satisfied two of the three requirements necessary to start it, the third tells me to show up in the morning at the office entrance, but not nothing happens ...
I managed to do it by removing the gun and equipping one of the gloves, and that worked for me.
 

dwalsh

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Jul 1, 2019
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I'm amazed at how well this game could translate to a big studio VG release.

An unknown youth - but soon clearly someone of some lineage - enters a hostage contract with one of the 5 big families, 'hostage', albeit favored. He (or she!) is given access, a fair amount of freedom, and is clearly being groomed for command.

- Does he marry one of the DeLuca girls and achieve a co-management of a Great Family? (since Antonio clearly isn't going to make end-game!)...or gain status, but then cold-bloodedly eliminate the family and step in to pick up the pieces?
- Does he romance a Scorpion Princess and work with her to 1) take over the Ombra family, then 2) advance them to the Big Five?
- Do the DeLuca's set him up in his own territory, either by knocking out one of the minor families, or handing over the territory they got from the Fazio Apology? Then he connives and works to become a major family, and maybe even a top 5? With the DeLuca's gaining a powerful ally for their support?
- Does Jalen's family co-opt him and turn him into a mole. Do he and Jalen do a buddy movie a la Thor/Korg and take over the whole Criminal enterprise?
- Does he reconcile with his parents and become a free agent?

There are plenty of other options, I'm sure.

The gameplay would have to be expanded, like move from a lot of the text in the missions into, say, active or team management. Resource management. An active diplomatic function. Customizable character (select traits/training gained from his Snake mom and father - unknown, but obviously not a nobody)

He has powerful potential patrons/allies: the Delucas, Jalen's family, a Snake mother, unknown Father, Mr. High-Five.

Regardless, this has vastly more potential than any of the 'Mafia' titles that have been released over the years. And, frankly, is fantastic in its own right in this venue. Hats off to the creators!
He could end up being BoB.......
 

marzou14

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Jun 3, 2017
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Hmm. Interesting theory. Antonio doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the family, and plotwise it opens up things with Isabel. Plus, Cordia seems even less warm toward Antionio than Luna, if that is possible. She is not exactly warm to anyone, except the MC and Wilfred, but she seems to treat Antonio as just another employee.
It reminded me of something from "I'll protect you".
At a moment Antonio fought few guys and slaughter them. Angelo watch and say "he gets that from his father" (or something like that because I remenber it from the french version).
But in the mission "my name is luna", we learn that luna's father is defenetly not this kind of guy.
 

Cartageno

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Though tags should only be mentioned once the content is in the game, and there is no Cordia content as of now. (I still don't believe the theory though)
Retreading my own steps in a way: since adoptive family does count for the "Big I" tag - would the Omertà count as well?
 

Lord Verminaard

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It reminded me of something from "I'll protect you".
At a moment Antonio fought few guys and slaughter them. Angelo watch and say "he gets that from his father" (or something like that because I remenber it from the french version).
But in the mission "my name is luna", we learn that luna's father is defenetly not this kind of guy.
There was a theory in this thread about that. Antonios and Luna/Gracies fathers different. That would justify both Antonios and others age gap and Antonios words -I can relate his situation(said about MC)- in hidden recrding. It was talked about 2-3 pages if I remember correctly
 
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JJJ84

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But... Just launched it, seen the saves don't work, pissed me off a lot... Will play it later, but I'm always HIGHLY deceived when saves aren't working anymore, in particular when the game have a grinding part - just imagine to be forced to rebuild ALL traits for ALL girls in "Harem Hotel", including "Lust"...
It's a major flail in Ren'Py games, and near no devs thinks about an "import old saves" function (even if it must be in a separate executable). To be honest, most devs don't also think about built-in walkthroughs and/or avoidable grinding, too... So mods are required, or we have to edit saves just to avoid being bored to death.
Well, when a huge part of the gameplay changes, due to the code change saves obviously won't work. Several great games went through restarts such as Summer's Gone, Where it All Began, City of Broken Dreamers. So DeLuca definitely isn't the first game to go through something like this, and it definitely won't be the last (and I'm no expert, but I just don't see how Devs will use "import old saves" especially if they are no longer compatible to the new code. I mean even if it somehow works, just seems like a lot of hassle for something the player can solve with fast ctrl skip and an online walkthrough).

Grind really isn't all that bad in the game I think. There is a little bit in the beginning, but as the player goes through more events MC starts earning more money and with better equipment Contracts do get easier to do.

But if the player really doesn't like the gameplay, well the game does give you the option to choose "VN style only" to opt out of the gameplay altogether.

Antonio is secretly MC's biological brother. Just to spice up the Isabel situation further.
Actually, I support this theory for couple of reasons (other than Isabel situation, though I agree with that too):

1) Antonio bears little resemblance to Lucan, with the whole black hairline.
Yes, anyone can have black hairline, but "Serpent" actually notes black hair with little streaks of gray being one of the defining traits of MC's father. Luna and Gracie both seem to take some resemblance from Lucan, at least in terms of physical traits.

2) Angelo's remarks in the Straffan mission
Angelo, one of the Capos wonders whether Antonio will be more like Cordia or his own father, and notes about Antonio's temper (shooting at the dead mercenary multiple times, pissed off) being more like his father.
Now, while we see only little bit of Lucan's life, he's considered to be a gentle and kind man who didn't hurt anyone in his life (and only got involved in the Family by marrying Cordia. While some may say it can be a facade, I just think it's unlikely).

I just don't believe Antonio's father that Angelo was mentioning was Lucan at all.

So basically people in the Family who knows who MC really is (and why he's important/essential to the DeLucas):

- Cordia
- Wilfred
- Antonio (even though he's like the last to know out of everybody in this group lol)
- "Serpent" (probably only one out of the current Serpents who really knows who MC is)
- Gildart ("Captain" of Wilfred's Division, as well as Wilfred's best student)

I'm somehow getting the feeling this list will stop here.
Any more than these 5, and it might come to the point where too many in the Family know everything about the MC for it to be a closely guarded secret.

Though I could be wrong also.
Hmmm may just add Angelo the Capo to this list of all the Family members who know about MC in the future depending on how everything plays out.
Why? Well, it's clear Angelo is familiar to some extent with Antonio's father, and have met him and knows what he is like.
Taking the assumption Lucan Antonio's father as I said above, we can sort of piece it together with Angelo's remarks towards the MC when they meet for the first time in Straffan mission. Angelo says regarding MC (towards Caterina when MC talks to them) "He reminds me of someone"

And that someone I think = Antonio's father.

I had a theory in the previous version of the game regarding the relationship of cordia,antonio and MC. And the event specified above during the rescue mission further support my theory that maybe, just maybe, antonio might not be cordia's real son, did anyone noticed that after cordia and antonio spoke about the fazio guy(the one that burn the records and al(forgot his name)) that he was not giacobe's real son but an adoptive one, antonios inner monologue in the game changes and pertains regarding that topic, it was like he was questioning or maybe having doubts if he was in the same positiob(just my take on his monologue), and since Gildart mentioned that both of the mc's parents didnt show the cunning that he possessed it lead me to theorize that maybe, just maybe the mc is cordia's son afterall, since cordia is known not just by her fighting prowess but also her intelligence/cunning. Ofcourse this is just a theory and the fact that i think that cordia is not the lying type would contradict this, but still there is still a chance that cordia herself didnt know that the mc is her son, maybe he and antonio got swapped at birth during the original serpents betrayal and all, and honestly if this is correct, i could actually see wilfred being the one to swap the kids or have some kind of knowledge of it and just kept quite about it.
No offense man, but I really wish you used full stops, spaces and paragraphs for your post. Reading your post gave me a big headache.

But anyway, I don't really think I have any doubts that Cordia is Antonio's actual (biological) mother. The game's lore till now hasn't given me any reason to doubt that tbh (even with that inner monologue of Antonio).
Only thing which raises suspicions to me is identity of Antonio's father (which as I said above, I don't think it's Lucan at all, and most likely MC's father, making MC & Antonio half-brothers).

Also, given that Hopes has said from very beginning that there will be no incest in DeLuca at all, I don't think Cordia is MC's biological mother, especially given Cordia is one of the romanceable girls in the game (plus she basically told MC the same in the Don's office event when MC gets caught by her while sneaking around).

Though tags should only be mentioned once the content is in the game, and there is no Cordia content as of now. (I still don't believe the theory though)
Yeah, highly doubt it, especially Hopes saying "No" to the question "Will there be incest in the game?" on his Patreon page.
 

sway1ze

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Nov 10, 2020
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can anyone help me ? my game is stuck on the loading screen and i cant fix it i have been waiting this for too long and ı cant play now :(
 

Bassio

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I'm sorry, and I wanted to know if you know what is the contract that the MC has with Delucas? Because if we know about Eiza's contract with the DeLucas
 

whichone

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I'm sorry, and I wanted to know if you know what is the contract that the MC has with Delucas? Because if we know about Eiza's contract with the DeLucas
Blackie gives MC introduction to the prinicple.
MC spends 3 nights learning about his Contract.
We do not know everything about it, missing some specific info, but we know roughly how it works.
IIRC, it is the same type of contact, as was given to Eiza.
 

Cartageno

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yeah i tried that and it didnt work i think i should play on my phone but thanks very much
Just as a last resort: did you install (unzip) into a new folder or did you overwrite your old game? If you did the latter, maybe try the former.
 

Niv-Mizzet the Firemind

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yeah i tried that and it didnt work i think i should play on my phone but thanks very much
Before you relegate gaming duties to your phone, go to the following folder C:\Users\<your_username\Appdata\Roaming\RenPy\ (or simply type %appdata%\RenPy on the explorer window) and delete the Deluca family folder. It may be trying to load a corrupt persistent save or something.

Edit: also delete the saves folder from the /game/saves subdirectory.
 

sway1ze

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Nov 10, 2020
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Before you relegate gaming duties to your phone, go to the following folder C:\Users\<your_username\Appdata\Roaming\RenPy\ (or simply type %appdata%\RenPy on the explorer window) and delete the Deluca family folder. It may be trying to load a corrupt persistent save or something.

Edit: also delete the saves folder from the /game/saves subdirectory.
thank you very much sir its solved
 
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