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Lord Verminaard

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Well, of course Luna's official position is a Capo, and MC is a Soldado. But that to Gracie, I don't think really matters (given she basically came into the Don's office without permission while Cordia, Wilfred and Antonio were questioning Trino which later ended with his execution, with MC watching).

So unless they had people guarding the room or the meeting was done behind locked doors, Gracie would have just came in to interrupt and make her complaints no problem (and it's not a stretch to think that given Cordia to some extent spoiled the girls, and there was clear lack of punishment).

And even if that is the case (i.e. meeting held behind guards or locked doors), I kinda expected some degree of annoyance at least from Gracie to Wilfred or Cordia complaining once the report meeting concluded if I'm honest (even if it's outside of the actual meeting itself).

But shrugs, that's just me. Perhaps she might say something in the next update to reference it.
Thats true but we know while Gracie acts with just her brain Luna tends to act with her emotions. Sometimes she just acts without thinking. Gracie on the other hand wouldnt do anything if there is nothing to gain and there is nothing to gain to attend that meeting. She will learn everything from Luna anyway.
 
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ut1stgear1

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Just started. Going for full immersion route. Still in the intro and I can tell HopesGaming has stepped up his game. Images were top notch before but these are 100% better. I am very impressed and just that was very much worth the wait. (y)
 
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JJJ84

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I'd like to start with apologizing for actually making a serious post for once, but I need to point out a flaw in my favorite game caused by the new contract system.

During some of the events, references are made to things that happened in the old contracts. As the old contracts aren't there anymore some of the dialogue doesn't make sense.

For example, when the MC is trying to help Isabel and Gracie become friends, he talks about constantly breaking up fights in the tavern, which was one of the old contacts.

No idea what the best way to fix this is, it would probably easier to add contracts that have similar content to the original ones instead of re-working the dialogue, but it's something that's going to bug me until it's sorted out.

As for the new contracts system in general, I prefer it to the old one as I enjoy some light puzzle solving and it makes it feel more like a game instead of a VN to me. We do need a proper introductory mission though, maybe Wilfred could "punish" Dominico, Lothario and Cesarino for training on the house lawn by making them show the MC around town. I'm sure Dominico would enjoy explaining the MC's mistakes to him and the other two could tell him what he should have done.

That's enough seriousness for me to last until we finally get some action with the Dragons.
This is very true, and yeah the Gina's Tavern contract is (which MC mentions to Gracie in Town time event) not there (come to think of it, I really can't remember much about the old contracts at all).
There's also the mention of how MC doing contracts for the retired Capo Vincent (and how Vincent is mad that MC has used his storage for his "perverted" means) during The Blizzard princess event, where we haven't gotten a contract for either.

I just went with it thinking it just happened somehow even if they're not playable, but now that I think about it it would have been nice if these contracts were present tbh.

In terms of adding them in, With the five Contracts, my level as Soldado is already maxed, so I'm not sure whether it will be all that helpful in terms of gameplay though (although, come to think of it they can give more rare equipment and renders which I wouldn't mind)
 
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One thing that I was a little bit surprised, with the aftermath of the Ombra Family Stealth mission (aka "Eiza's sister rescue mission):

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But it's not stated that he's part of the Family. Who he is, is left very ambiguous (if I'm remembering that contract correctly). While it could be possible he could be like Vincent (retired Capo who we see in Isabel's event), nothing is confirmed yet.
There's a chance, he could be a part of DeLucas, but there's also chance he could be not.

The 5 that I listed, are basically confirmed DeLuca Family members, who are also confirmed to know everything about the MC.
Remember during the conversation between mc and the old man during the 1st mission. His father didnt even bother to visit him when he was still a child and the old man also said that he has many siblings and i think he is the only he didnt bother to visit. Maybe the delucas figured that keeping the mc under them will serve as a leverage in due time in order to draw him out. Isnt it that his father was part of the original serpents and an incident happened
 

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Yes i collected the package but no gun :")
I made a quick fix for the disappearing gun problem. Because it's a really lazy fix, you should only use it if you completed first BOTH promotion events, taken the gun and then lost it. There is a potential (however unlikely) to have the game or saves break. Obviously I can't know, since I tested it once, it worked and deemed it good enough. Also discard the soldato pants and shirt first. Talk to Wilfred and tell him you made a mistake.

Make a backup of the file game/Tspecial/freeroaminglabels.rpy, unzip the fix in /game/Tspecial subfolder and overwrite.
 
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I made a quick fix for the disappearing gun problem. Because it's a really lazy fix, you should only use it if you completed first BOTH promotion events, taken the gun and then lost it. There is a potential (however unlikely) to have the game or saves break. Obviously I can't know, since I tested it once, it worked and deemed it good enough. Also discard the soldato pants and shirt first. Talk to Wilfred and tell him you made a mistake.

Make a backup of the file game/Tspecial/freeroaminglabels.rpy, unzip the fix in /game/Tspecial subfolder and overwrite.
It worked damn!
 

Carpe Stultus

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I don't complain about the time between updates - as usual, no whine for free stuff. It wouldn't be the same if I was a patron, of course, but that's how I think.

But... Just launched it, seen the saves don't work, pissed me off a lot... Will play it later, but I'm always HIGHLY deceived when saves aren't working anymore, in particular when the game have a grinding part - just imagine to be forced to rebuild ALL traits for ALL girls in "Harem Hotel", including "Lust"...
It's a major flail in Ren'Py games, and near no devs thinks about an "import old saves" function (even if it must be in a separate executable). To be honest, most devs don't also think about built-in walkthroughs and/or avoidable grinding, too... So mods are required, or we have to edit saves just to avoid being bored to death.
I understand what you mean and i agree to a certain degree, but what you also have to keep in mind is that you download games from here that are, most of the time, still in development so changes that force you to restart can happen at any point.

Btw..if you have to regrind stats in HH its done in a few minutes because there are mods and a console ;)
 

WindIsHowling

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I appreciate what the author is trying to do here, but the characters nor the story are compelling enough to carry the game really. I'm not really sure why drip feeding content in this fashion is considered a good strategy.

A good starting point would be making any of the story or characters even slightly believable.

Rebirth pulls off a similar story to this while making the characters and their relationships to each other believable and compelling. The characters here seem like one dimensional tropes.

The art is pretty though, even if a little stiff sometimes.
 

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I'm not really sure why drip feeding content in this fashion is considered a good strategy.
Are you speaking of the update frequency?
Sure, it is not much, yet it isn't the as the dev works 24/7 on it or even 8/5. It is his hobby, not his profession. Regardless the progess is on the slow side, yet this is clear for most of us and even the dev himself is aware of it and have written that he try to have a faster update cycle.
However the last update has needed more time, because of the code and contract overhaul and not of the content.
The characters here seem like one dimensional tropes.
Well, I think otherwise and think that Laurie (from Rebirth) is your usual childhood friend straight from the template. not bickering, as I like Laurie and her catfight against Sharon....
But one dimensional characters I don't see it here for, at least for the main girls.
 
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I had a theory in the previous version of the game regarding the relationship of cordia,antonio and MC. And the event specified above during the rescue mission further support my theory that maybe, just maybe, antonio might not be cordia's real son, did anyone noticed that after cordia and antonio spoke about the fazio guy(the one that burn the records and al(forgot his name)) that he was not giacobe's real son but an adoptive one, antonios inner monologue in the game changes and pertains regarding that topic, it was like he was questioning or maybe having doubts if he was in the same positiob(just my take on his monologue), and since Gildart mentioned that both of the mc's parents didnt show the cunning that he possessed it lead me to theorize that maybe, just maybe the mc is cordia's son afterall, since cordia is known not just by her fighting prowess but also her intelligence/cunning. Ofcourse this is just a theory and the fact that i think that cordia is not the lying type would contradict this, but still there is still a chance that cordia herself didnt know that the mc is her son, maybe he and antonio got swapped at birth during the original serpents betrayal and all, and honestly if this is correct, i could actually see wilfred being the one to swap the kids or have some kind of knowledge of it and just kept quite about it.
 
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Cartageno

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Rebirth pulls off a similar story to this
I don't really see the similarity though. Okay, you can have a - very broad - description of "MC is thrown into a new world with new customs having to learn the ropes, but is special from the start" but beyond that for me the differences clearly outweigh the similarities.
 
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