Dont get me wrong, it still think its a great game, i just felt for the extremely long gap between last update and this, not much content was added.
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tbf that was widely communicated.
It took a lot longer because the whole thing was re-written.
The contract system and also a move to updated version of renpy meant it took a while, without much new story added.
Don't worry, now that the foundation is built, updates can be quicker moving forward.
- Dec 24, 2018
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To be honest, I think "not much content" is pretty subjective, but hey everyone's millage differs I guess
- Jul 2, 2019
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Because it's not a 90's RPG, maybe? And fiction is not equivalent to MedFan, too... And since you don't care about logic when doing a contract several times, then you can't use this argument to say that getting all stuff/stats required to do the next mission isn't logic... Once you gave up about logic, you can't choose to apply it only on the parts that suits you.
That's the major difference between "realistic" fictions and heroic fantasy or other magical universes...
I like this game, but I'm not a fanboy however. I can't check, discuss about and follow ALL games. Period. But I'm a coding expert - not with Ren'Py, neither with Python, true, but it's now 35 years since my first code line, on dozens of OSes and languages. Code porting is even one of my specialties.
BTW, it's possible however... Several games I play NEVER broke the savefiles during the WHOLE development process, up to the "Completed" status... Both with RPGM or Ren'Py.
I repeat again, I'm annoyed to restart the game, and annoyed that devs NEVER take this into account - but as a professional, I also know that devs are rarely aware of what end user really want, I have to deal with that daily. That's why I expressed my opinion here, and to be honest and near rude, the only person I want to listen to is the developer. Everything else is sterile: you're a fanboy, that's OK and I don't mind, but obviously you can't accept criticism about this game - even if constructive - and this discussion won't have any effect but wasting time.
Or you may wait until they're completed. If they are completed one day... But currently, on the around 60 games I follow, only a dozen are completed, at least the same amount are abandonned (or not updated since six months or more). A majority are under development: I'm happy for you if you're able to fully follow 30+ games. I can't, and I don't even WANT to. I have too much things to do IRL for that.
However, you should not forget that, since the game is currently under development, we all are de facto beta-testers. I believe it's normal to let know what is bad: bugs, of course, but also continuity problems, mispellings, ergonomic issues, mechanics issues, and so on. At least, that's why I expect from my own beta-testers: tell me EVERYTHING that is/seems wrong, then we'll sort them with priorities and maybe give a budget to solve some of them.
Considering the awful amount of people asking for "last full saves" on each update for each game, I think that a quick jump to new parts and save imports are on the contrary very importants - as external modules of course, since these tools don't really need to be in the final version, so they don't need to be included in the main source code.
I'm not the dev. I don't have enough spare time to enter within the code of both versions and compare them - that's an easy thing when you write both, it's just painful when you didn't. That was not a really clever remark... Excepted if you pay me my usual price to do it, of course.
- Jun 2, 2017
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You said easy, just going by your words.
I have played like 200 of the games on here and major changes causing save breaks are not unusual particularly with the change in Ren'Py recently. In this instance he reworked the contracts, changed the numeric system for attributes (used to be 50 stealth was good now it is 7), and added content that could not even be obtained with the old pass/fail contracts. So when yet one more person whines about how "easy" this or that thing is to do because they just "don't wanna" all I hear is a toddler with a need for a change.
My clever remarked amused me. That was more important than any other possible outcome but I did get at least 3 people to react with laughter so.......
- Dec 1, 2019
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To add to what has been said before: There's also a bug which will prevent you from peeking with too high stats. Stormfly83 posted a repaired rpy in this post.
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I beg the game maker to simply add a love rout for Antonio DeLuca pleasex9,000 please ????
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So, you are saying our opinion doesn't matter to you and you only value hopes opinion?
Then your whole post is about replay to other users, well I'm now confused.
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Isn't it though? I mean, a game can be what the dev wants it to be. Pure VN, 90's RPG, space shooter, NFL managing simulator - whatever you, or more precisely devs, want can be done or tried to approach. Of course not everybody does like every type of gameplay (I loathe side scrollers with a passion) and not every style of gameplay suits the target audience of this forum (I cannot think how the NFL simulator would work on a lewd game), and if too many people who you want to target don't like it, the more problems you will have sustaining the project. Which isn't as much of an issue here as in other games since Hopes has stated that this is more a work of passion, in his free time, so he is not dependent on its success.
I get your approach about "completionism" though, that you don't want to switch to VN mode for FOMO (although we all, me included, need to treat our FOMO. In today's world we will miss out on stuff, always, everywhere, there's just too much going on and only smart decisions can solve our problems). And maybe a CYOA style gameplay level with full gameplay but every stat check succeeding would be a viable fourth option if Hopes wants to implement it (there would be some kinks in this system but I'm sure they could be overcome). That wouldn't be for me though, completionism again, I'd miss out on the satisfying advancement of stats. But options are never bad - except that they will take away ever so much time from the main project.
As for the "save game import": we seem to have two diametrically different approaches to the games on this site. I see it as "witnessing a game being created" and everything I see may be subject to change later on. Mechanics change, characters will be written out or suddenly appear, the whole side story with the echidna juggling chainsaws will be taken out, UI can change. We've seen it and heard about it from many an AAA game, too, not to mention all the games on here which got a restart once the dev figured out technical stuff but also what he wants to do. What I will judge is the finished product, so any hiccups like save games not working anymore do not bother me as much (I will skip more updates if they regularily do to avoid having to redo everything too often though) and I like replaying a good game.
Your approach seems to me more like the TV series kind - a new episode is out, let's watch it and I know what happened before so I don't need any "previously on The DeLuca Family" kind of prologue, much less a complete one. (Although I gotta admit that I rediscovered or first time discovered a lot while replaying the old content and enjoyed it a lot here - there is so much you forget and so much that is funny to see already knowing later developments or discoveries) That of course is not inherently wrong but I think it limits devs in what they can do because everything they did is set in stone, a story rework (which of course may always upset "fans") to make everything go smoother would be out.
As for the technical aspect of being able to import older saves, that goes along with it. We have completely new stats here, so they must be assigned certain values. Of course you can use the player progression as an indicator what charisma he would approximately be likely to have, i. e. what equipment he should be given. Can be done. But then again (I am using a logical fallacy of "slippery slope" intentionally here) I could import a save game from Mass Effect 2 and somehow check for story progression percentage and translate it into DeLuca values. So there is limits to how far you could go sensibly with that approach. And - again my different general feel about the games here - every minute spent on implementing a save game transfer is one not spent on other stuff of the game, meaning less content or a later release, and this "save game transfer" is a one time thing for this update only and will be of no use to players coming later to this game or who will replay content regularily anyway. So while it wouldn't be a bad idea as such, it comes at a cost.
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You're right, let me rephrase by changing "opinion" to "quibbles", if you prefer. And quibbles it was on last messages.
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Easy for the dev. Not for others - maybe you missed some text above...
So... Getting 7 from 50 by using something like "new=round(old/7)" is impossible? Can you explain me in which weird algebra system you obtained this statement?
New parts: have to be done in new version, simple, no magic trick here. Otherwise you give the nearest suitable thing - for example I had the best full stealth equipment, I get the new "equivalent". Go on, there was, what... 25-30 stuff items? We're not speaking about the same number of items as in World of Warcraft, be honest...
I had 5 likes on my first message... But if it comfort you to use the argumentum ad populum fallacy, go for it: I don't want to deprive you of your small pleasures.
- Apr 28, 2020
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I get why repeating contracts might be weird. Old Ombra Soldato from "The Painter" contract must be undead or something the way he's being shot every day and is back at the tavern next morning
- Mar 15, 2020
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Are you playing the 7.0 version of the game? This particular bug was solved iirc in 7.1
If you advance the main story you'll get to bug the house with either microphones or cameras.
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HopesGaming , is there any chance about putting rescuing Eizas sister mission in to the gallery on one of next updates? I love Amatas and Caterina fights between themselves and between Ombra Capos but there are no replay of that in the replay room, so as MCs mission report after that.
And Is "... we have been waiting you ..." part between Serpent and MC a typo or intentional?
And Is "... we have been waiting you ..." part between Serpent and MC a typo or intentional?
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The only problem with this suggestion is that if it gets realised, the only person in the house we won't have a love route with is Wilfred (arguably the hottest character in the game), and that's just unacceptable.
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Right. But honestly, if I come on F95zone, it's not for the grinding or puzzle games, but for the VN or the (very...) light RPG, with or without sexual content. For other kind of games, I have other providers... I don't expect something like FF, Zelda or Dragon Quest here, neither I expect an X-COM, a Dark Souls or an Elder Scrolls. It's indeed possible to find VN on Steam or itch.io, but honestly, they're quite rare and often not adult enough - meaning, for me, that they're boring.
Usually, when I play a game, I like a 100% finish - all success, all unlocked, all stuff, etc. Of course it's not always possible, but usually I try... But it's another subject: here, it's ONLY a matter of seing the new parts of an UNFINISHED game, without having to restart from scratch. Nothing more, nothing less: I won't try to complete a game to 100% until it's finished anyway, but if I can start this process during the development phase, I'm happy.
True, but anyway, we're also beta-testers - that's a fact, not a point of view.
My life: I don't mind replaying a good game too, IF FINISHED. I've done Skyrim two times (all missions, all stuff, all perks, all leads obtained), FF7 two times (all materias maxed out and duplicated for each character), Zelda (SNES) dozen of times (the challenge was to finish it as quickly as possible), and I even done Secret of Mana three times (including grinding to the max ALL weapons/magics for ALL characters), including one time on iPhone. Just to say, I can grind... When grinding is the core of the game.
On the other side, I always HATED building a new character/class in WoW, because game was evolving too quickly to allow ALL my characters to be high-end - game, in fact, will never be "finished", until it stops for good.
Here, while game is unfinished, shortcuts CAN be provided to jump to new parts - new players will beta-test anyway the rewritten parts, and some "old" players like you too. It's so evident that - to use the WoW example again - you can buy this power-leveling "officially" in some games (Blizzard sells an instant max-level of any WoW character to bypass this leveling phase).
You're right. That's why I keep all my games installed, and even have some batches to allow fast updating of a given game - extremely useful for a game like "Treasure of Nadia", which is updated every two weeks. I play on a high-end PC, with several terabytes of disk space and an optic fiber connection - I don't mind keeping 60+ games installed and all corresponding archives. Exactly like my Prime Video screen shows me all what I'm currently following until I choose to unfollow them. I highly doubt that I'm the only one to follow games this way... And I highly doubt that YOU restart a TV series from the beginning, first season, on each new episode!
Because these updates aren't "new seasons", where it could be pertinent to restart (because story is forgotten)... The playtime of each update is really equivalent to a "new episode", no more, and stories aren't complex enough to justify a whole memory refresh - or maybe I have a superior memory, but at least it's not a real problem for me to remember what happened in 50+ games and as many TV series.Please note: I didn't say anything else... It's TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE, whatever rewrite had impacted.
But that's a fallacy...
Unless Hopes also developped Mass Effect 2, of course!More seriously: we speak about the same game, from a version to the immediately next version. A lot of games, HERE, do it by allowing a "conversion" from version N (last "old" structure) to N+1 (first "new" structure), THEN forbid the import for versions N+2 and more. Or you have some questions at the beginning to complete missing data (see DMD between chapters, for example, or A Mother's Love, and many others...). It's possible, it's not an ultra-rare thing, even if it SHOULD be the norm instead of the exception.
Let be honest here: we speak about a ROUGH import - remember: beta-testing... Some elements cannot be converted and must be "guessed", through questions and/or progression. Some elements must be created (like a new stat), for example to a mean value. New elements must NOT be converted - otherwise you'll miss new content. It's a matter of some code and some questions, in ONE version of the game, as an external tool or built in game. The character won't be EXACTLY in the same state it was in previous version - maybe it will be mandatory to save again with old version in a particular place, for example.
Of course, it costs development time... But how much? One day? One week? One month? It's probably a matter of a day, spread across the whole rewrite... Neglectible when updates are separated by several months, roughly nine months: it's roughly 0.37% of this time, so is it really a significant part of the delay between two updates?
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