Cartageno

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Why are you arguing with me? As I said I followed for 3 updates, gave it a rest then came back to game that had hardly changed. Opinion on the quality of the story hasn't changed. Thoughts on the amount of sexual content hasn't changed.

You don't have to like it, but that's my review. Don't like it then tough luck, mate.
You're correct, these are your impressions and it is perfectly fine to share them - others may have the same views about this game. And they may be helped by it. E. g. if somebody wants a "fuckfest", this game isn't for them.

However, while these are your impressions, I'd like to argue two points and question a third.

Let's argue first:

(1) In my opinion, update time has nothing to do with update quality, and I think reviews should be based on quality alone. After all, once this game is finished, nobody playing it cares about how long it took.

(2) When you talk about the new contract sytem you dislike (which is perfectly fine) you argue that "very, very few" people would like it. This somewhat clashes with what was said in this thread - I've seen quite a few people like it and consider it an improvement. That doesn't mean that you or anybody else has to like it, the 1 star can still stand, however I find it a bit misleading to claim some kind of majority here. Same for the "Let's all be honest" part referring to the same issue.

My question:

(3) How did you come to the conclusion that a mafia game with capos going all the way from rollerblading, via flail wearing, to pretending to be karate nuns; a game with toddlers tormenting a poor Wilfred; a game with off hand dialogue about ice cream is taking itself "so seriously"? - I mean, you can still slam it: not well done, not fitting the mood, too many emotional ups and downs to be coherent, absolutely unfunny, incoherent characters, so again I do not want to diminish your 1 star conclusion - this is your opinion and as valid as anybody else's - but I do not get how you come out of this game and consider it taking itself seriously.
 
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played and enjoyed right up through the 6.6 update... little disappointed in lewd content and the cliff-hanger, but i liked it. :D
i have NOT played since but it looks to be a FPS now??? :mad: making me use my keyboard with lefty so righty can play with 'me' ??? Hey, i may be wrong on this call but, in that case i might as well go back to fallout 4 and lewd it to death....
 

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(3) How did you come to the conclusion that a mafia game with capos going all the way from rollerblading, vial flail wearing, to pretending to be karate nuns; a game with toddlers tormenting a poor Wilfred; a game with off hand dialogue about ice cream is taking itself "so seriously"? - I mean, you can still slam it: not well done, not fitting the mood, to much emotional ups and downs to be coherent, absolutely unfunny, incoherent characters, so again I do not want to diminish your 1 star conclusion - this is your opinion and as valid as anybody else's - but I do not get how you come out of this game and consider it taking itself seriously.
lol so true.
Any game with just Joey and Gottardo, clearly is not taking itself seriously, at all.
Add the sisters, one of whom is a football hooligan. Caterina on her rollerskates.
Yeah, clearly aiming for high level realism! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
played and enjoyed right up through the 6.6 update... little disappointed in lewd content and the cliff-hanger, but i liked it. :D
i have NOT played since but it looks to be a FPS now??? :mad: making me use my keyboard with lefty so righty can play with 'me' ??? Hey, i may be wrong on this call but, in that case i might as well go back to fallout 4 and lewd it to death....
No, it's not first person in that content & it's not a shooter, so absolutely not an FPS.
The key navigation is left handed & is only for the dungeon aspects, in the contract missions.
You do not have to use it, the navigation buttons you use the mouse to interact with are still there. (y)
 
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played and enjoyed right up through the 6.6 update... little disappointed in lewd content and the cliff-hanger, but i liked it. :D
i have NOT played since but it looks to be a FPS now??? :mad: making me use my keyboard with lefty so righty can play with 'me' ??? Hey, i may be wrong on this call but, in that case i might as well go back to fallout 4 and lewd it to death....
Since I have yet to see any useful FO4 lewd mod (all the ones I tried sucked ass) let me assure you: this is not even close to be an FPS. More like an 1980s text adventure, only that WASD will shorten the classic "Go North" or similar commands. There is no time pressure reacting to the game, after everything you do you can still order a pizza without having in game problems. (There is some time pressure in one mission as to how many moves you might take, but unless you intentionally move back and forth to waste time I don't really see how to reach the limit if you have any experience with games at all.)
 
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I'm glad that the gallery is finally all working so we can check out these scenes within the Ombra contracts again.

Taking a skim look at the event again, with the Wilfred having given MC a rare high evaluation, perhaps I could be wrong but here's my stab/guess at Wilfred's evaluation rank for each of individuals below:

1) Amata: mid-Capo (confirmed in the event)

2) Caterina: mid-Capo (a guess, since she's on par with Amata)

3) Amita: mid-Capo (a bit tricky to guess since Ombra Capo does say she's better than Amata. Though validity of that is yet to be determined)

4) Luna: Serpent (powerful, yet having prowess to get through tough situations in battles)

5) Gracie: Consigliere (thought of putting her on Serpent evaluation rank as well, but with Gracie's high intelligence and all, I though for her Consigliere would be best)

6) MC: Don ("Extremely cunning" attribute [hey even if you disagree, they're Wilfred's words, not mine], which makes him time and time again outplay others).

To be honest, not even sure whether Wilfred even has a evaluation rank higher than Serpent (which in game, is seen as pretty much a gold-standard of Wilfred's evaluation.
But I think Consigliere and Don ranks might be a pretty good addition (which records are top secret, only in eyes of Cordia and Wilfred perhaps).
 
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Does DeLuca family also have Elites, like Straffan did?
Do we know if they're just Elite Soldato, or are there also Elite Capos?
From what we know so-far, only for Elite Soldatos (with characters like Pelata, Gray, Biondo, and of course Joey lol).

Don't think Capos have have Elites or something higher than them (other than the Serpents). Even Wilfred's division, I did hear from Hopes before is roughly the same rank as Capos, being sort of branched off from them as a completely separate group, but not higher.

So far,

Don (or Donna) > > Consigliere > > Serpents > > Capos = Wilfred's Division > > > Elite Soldatos > Soldatos > Associates


Think I did see Hopes sharing a diagram of how rank go down on his discord, and it was supposed to be part of the Lore section (among others like some history of battles that came before), but this was delayed among a lot of other stuff.
 

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"Extremely cunning" attribute [hey even if you disagree, they're Wilfred's words, not mine]
Trying to remember when that was said and all I can recall is the old man in Nimble Fingers calling you a "manipulative and cunning man".
 

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From what we know so-far, only for Elite Soldatos (with characters like Pelata, Gray, Biondo, and of course Joey lol).

Don't think Capos have have Elites or something higher than them (other than the Serpents). Even Wilfred's division, I did hear from Hopes before is roughly the same rank as Capos, being sort of branched off from them as a completely separate group, but not higher.

So far,

Don (or Donna) > > Consigliere > > Serpents > > Capos = Wilfred's Division > > > Elite Soldatos > Soldatos > Associates


Think I did see Hopes sharing a diagram of how rank go down on his discord, and it was supposed to be part of the Lore section (among others like some history of battles that came before), but this was delayed among a lot of other stuff.
Hmm, right, so thinking of that structure and the fact that SS contracts are Serpent only (IIRC?)
We have:
D as Associate & Soldato.
C as Soldato & Elite Soldato, maybe?
B as Elite Soldato?
A as Capo?
S as Capo & Serpent?
SS as Serpent.
 
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Hmm, right, so thinking of that structure and the fact that SS contracts are Serpent only (IIRC?)
We have:
D as Associate & Soldato.
C as Soldato & Elite Soldato, maybe?
B as Elite Soldato?
A as Capo?
S as Capo & Serpent?
SS as Serpent.
Good theory
 

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Hmm, right, so thinking of that structure and the fact that SS contracts are Serpent only (IIRC?)
We have:
D as Associate & Soldato.
C as Soldato & Elite Soldato, maybe?
B as Elite Soldato?
A as Capo?
S as Capo & Serpent?
SS as Serpent.
I really like the look of that.
Though with the way current Contracts having only 4 columns, I'm guessing Hopes would need to rework the Contracts list GUI a bit to make it 6 columns.
Hoping it gets evolved to something like this structure.

Trying to remember when that was said and all I can recall is the old man in Nimble Fingers calling you a "manipulative and cunning man".
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Ayhsel

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Why do I always have to work* when there is a ?

Soo let me join the fun.... abandoned tag when?

*work: includes planning world domination, devising new torture mechanism and building a Lego Star Wars kit, rated for children.
 
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Well, I mean, it's dependent upon us becoming a Serpent, in order to be able to complete SS Contracts, but who knows what Rank we can reach...
Getting the strong feeling our MC will continue to rise up in ranks, reach Serpent level, and become Serpent, and then become Don (I mean there's Consigliere in between, but let's face it. Advisory role like Consigliere is reaaaaaaaaaaaally not MC's style :LOL: (better suited to someone like Gracie, though even that I cannot guarantee she will get bored with :ROFLMAO:)
 

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I really like the look of that.
Though with the way current Contracts having only 4 columns, I'm guessing Hopes would need to rework the Contracts list GUI a bit to make it 6 columns.
Hoping it gets evolved to something like this structure.
Hmm, unless that means we will only reach Capo/or whichever tier is assigned to A. :unsure:
Same as you, I don't think that's going to happen.
Getting the strong feeling our MC will continue to rise up in ranks, reach Serpent level, and become Serpent, and then become Don (I mean there's Consigliere in between, but let's face it. Advisory role like Consigliere is reaaaaaaaaaaaally not MC's style :LOL: (better suited to someone like Gracie, though even that I cannot guarantee she will get bored with :ROFLMAO:)
See, I like the sound of that.
MC as don.
Gracie as consigliere and chief strategist.
Luna as Serpent.
Maybe Gracie as Serpent, too and Isabel as consigliere?

Only problem, where does that leave Cordia?
We're not going to usurp her & there will be outrage if she's killed off.

OK, how about:
MC as don.
Cordia as consigliere.
Gracie & Luna as Left & Right hand, both Serpents.

I realise I've left Antonio out of the equation. :unsure:
 
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Getting the strong feeling our MC will continue to rise up in ranks, reach Serpent level, and become Serpent, and then become Don (I mean there's Consigliere in between, but let's face it. Advisory role like Consigliere is reaaaaaaaaaaaally not MC's style :LOL: (better suited to someone like Gracie, though even that I cannot guarantee she will get bored with :ROFLMAO:)
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Getting the strong feeling our MC will continue to rise up in ranks, reach Serpent level, and become Serpent, and then become Don (I mean there's Consigliere in between, but let's face it. Advisory role like Consigliere is reaaaaaaaaaaaally not MC's style :LOL: (better suited to someone like Gracie, though even that I cannot guarantee she will get bored with :ROFLMAO:)

Hmm, unless that means we will only reach Capo/or whichever tier is assigned to A. :unsure:
Same as you, I don't think that's going to happen.

See, I like the sound of that.
MC as don.
Gracie as consigliere and chief strategist.
Luna as Serpent.
Maybe Gracie as Serpent, too and Isabel as consigliere?

Only problem, where does that leave Cordia?
We're not going to usurp her & there will be outrage if she's killed off.

OK, how about:
MC as don.
Cordia as consigliere.
Gracie & Luna as Left & Right hand, both Serpents.

I realise I've left Antonio out of the equation. :unsure:
Way more likely in my opinion to have the story end with Cordia as The Lady, MC as the Capo Bastone, Gracie as Consigliere, Luna as Serpent and Isabel.... might need suggestions for Isabel.. recommendations?
 
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