Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[JLucci]

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[Ayhsel]

Question for HopesGaming and the rest of Deluca pervs...

Does any of the characters play an instrument? I don't remember seeing something like that.

 

[JLucci]

Question for HopesGaming and the rest of Deluca pervs...

Does any of the characters play an instrument? I don't remember seeing something like that.

I could picture Gracie playing the piano and I think Luna would say her guns are an instrument.

 

[Cartageno]

Luna seems like the accordion type to me. Just because. Nobody tells her that's not her style.

Also, holy cow, the last page (before this) is spoiled ... good work guys! (Though it might be a good idea to give the header a name including the topic, like "suspect" - so people do know whether they can safely open it)

 

[themangoat]

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[JJJ84]

Question for HopesGaming and the rest of Deluca pervs...

Does any of the characters play an instrument? I don't remember seeing something like that.

Don't remember seeing any character playing an instrument.
But I'd love to see Cordia playing the piano tbh.
There's just a real elegance to her that I think fits the piano really really well.

Perhaps she played long time ago when Luna and Gracie were children and Lucan was still alive.
But since Luna's kidnapping and Lucan's death in "My name is Luna" event, she stopped playing and the piano has been collecting dust for a long time in the DeLuca mansion.
And when MC reconciles Cordia and Luna, perhaps MC encourage Cordia to start paying again.


(Cordia is playing her piano and MC is close by watching her)

Luna and Gracie in Gracie's room;

Gracie: That sound?
Luna: ........I never thought we would hear her playing again......

Meanwhile in the living room;

Wilfred: (whispers to himself) At last, my student is free of her guilt which she suffered from all these years. Thank you Hope.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

Nah, I don't think he's the one that cut Wilfred's car breaks

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I do not think, for one second, that Antonio would send mercenaries to kill MC, whilst he's with both of Antonio's sisters.
I also think you can easily explain him shooting Trino by saying that he took the attack on his family as a personal insult, as well as a betrayal, so executed him in vengeance.

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[Anthaeus]

This is wrong. This is the One Character Gallery.

Yes it's wrong, there is no Dragon in the picture.

Also using Ramone Lull's theorems, (kudos if you get that reference), there is 1 girl and 1 guy both of which are 1, so 1 is correct.

Also, there are 3 types of people in the world, those who can count and those who can't.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

Mercs are simply hired guns.
I'm not sure they'd be able to reach MC, who is in a room with Gracie & Luna, without hurting anyone.
There are at least a couple of soldatos, so perhaps they could slip past them.
Would Antonio really be stupid enough to think that Serpent(s) would not be keeping an eye on the daughters of their donna?

Following this, the mercs (random hired guns, not specialists) are expected to enter a gun fight with the guys at the compound plus Luna, and not randomly hit Gracie in crossfire, or hit Luna, or any of the other guards who are likely to be around?
That seems a bit unlikely, to me.
If Antonio was responsible, I'd expect him to have a better plan than this. Why attack MC in front of his own sisters? If he wants to kill him, secretly send him somewere isolated, with no-one else around and shoot him. No risk, no danger to any other family members.

That would make sense, but I dont think Antonio mind Luna's death. Maybe it is because we didnt see Antoino that much. Remember that, Antonio didnt know about MCs importance at that point so he wouldnt know MC would be staying in the same room with girls. He was probably thinking MC would guard the place like other soldatos. I think that would be perfect plan. While his sisters are with the target and his most loyal soldato guarding them who can think Antonio gave the order of the hit? Especially after someone already tried to poison him in the dinner table.

And you are wrong about one part, Serpent(s) were not keep an eye on them. Leo send an emergency message with his dying breath -quoting Gottardo- after that Gottardo and Gents send by Wilfred while Serpent requested permission to go beach house

lol I didn't read that into it.
I just saw it as him saying "What? I should've..." As in, "Yes, I betrayed you. What? I should've come to you? I should've told you I'd been approached? Yes, I know that, now. I made the wrong choice."

Come on, why somebody decides to troll his/her executioner with his last words? Anyway, Trinos attitude drastically changed and he said "I should've ..." right after he learned he wont going to woods. Why location would differ when someone waiting for death? There is something about that scene, even if Antonio is innocent of that, I dont think death was waiting Trino in the woods.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

Right and they "just happened" to be close enough. lol
They were keeping an eye.

I am not sure how much time required to go from De Luca Manor to beach house and how long waited other mercenaries come to main room of building after their boss killed by Luna. But I think they would interfere sooner than that if they were keeping an eye.

How I read it, there was no surprise, or shock, in Trino's words. There is no "!".
Just acceptance that he's fucked up and now pays the price.

Well, it seems we are seeing that part different. I think a sentence starts like "I should've..." more likely to be suprise but I cant be sure. Story will tell anyway.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

As I said, there is no exclamation mark, so there is nothing to indicate surprise or shock.
"!", as you know, is how you indicate those emotions, textually.

As far as I know three dots used for incomplete sentences regardless their content. If you want to create confusion about something three dots can be used for that purpose without giving away anymore emotion while an exlamation mark indicate that emotions without doubt. I know Iam shooting my own leg here If an exclamation mark would used, my claim about Trino would become a fact but it isnt used so we wouldnt go beyond speculations. Both our claims has same chance.

For me, it was just Antonio got angry at the fact that they'd done so much for this kid & he'd betrayed them, so didn't care to listen & just executed him in vengeance.

I cannot see Antonio placing his sisters in such jeopardy. Despite whatever order he may have given, once bullets start flying Gracie & Luna could get hit, accidentally or otherwise.
He has no established reason to kill MC, not displayed any dislike or desire to harm him.
He certainly has no reason to do it in such a blatant manner, placing his sisters in potential danger.

For that part I have nothing to say. Even if he has a reason we dont know yet.

He could just secretly send the MC somewhere & have someone waiting there to whack him, where no-one ever knows.

That part I dont know. Sure, MC must obey all of his words but sending MC somewhere secrectly has more chance to backfire than ordering that hit. An order like "Dont tell about this to anybody including Wilfred" would be too suspicious. Without that particular order there is always a chance (and considering MC, very strong chance) MC would tell somebody about it (even for answering a simple question like "where are you going?" asked by someone from household). And there arent any allibies like his sisters being in firezone.

 

[whichone]

As far as I know three dots used for incomplete sentences regardless their content. If you want to create confusion about something three dots can be used for that purpose without giving away anymore emotion while an exlamation mark indicate that emotions without doubt. I know Iam shooting my own leg here If an exclamation mark would used, my claim about Trino would become a fact but it isnt used so we wouldnt go beyond speculations. Both our claims has same chance.

Yeah, for me "..." indicates a run on, sentence unfinished because stopped to think, to contemplate. Often precedes a revelation. Kind of like a pregnant pause. "Oh! Wait... I get it!" lol
Also used to indicate that there is no need to say the words.
"You know how I feel..."
In place of actually saying "You know how I feel, I love you.".

Ha ha, yeah the inclusion of ! would settle it. But that would take all the fun out of speculation!

That part I dont know. Sure, MC must obey all of his words but sending MC somewhere secrectly has more chance to backfire than ordering that hit. An order like "Dont tell about this to anybody including Wilfred" would be too suspicious. Without that particular order there is always a chance (and considering MC, very strong chance) MC would tell somebody about it (even for answering a simple question like "where are you going?" asked by someone from household). And there arent any allibies like his sisters being in firezone.

Antonio: "MC, come to Lucania with me."
MC: "Sure."
Drive to town.
Antonio: "I need you to go and collect something for me. Take the car and go to location X."
MC: "Sure."
MC drives off, Antonio goes back home.
Says that MC asked to borrow the car, he needed to do something, didn't say what/where.
MC goes to collection spot, gets shot.

Ha ha, that wouldn't make much of a game!
But, it would seem a far more simple way for Antonio to carry out an attempted assassination, than placing his sisters and family's soldatos in danger.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

Ha ha, yeah the inclusion of ! would settle it. But that would take all the fun out of speculation!

Antonio: "MC, come to Lucania with me."
MC: "Sure."
Drive to town.
Antonio: "I need you to go and collect something for me. Take the car and go to location X."
MC: "Sure."
MC drives off, Antonio goes back home.
Says that MC asked to borrow the car, he needed to do something, didn't say what/where.
MC goes to collection spot, gets shot.

Speculation part is great fun.

You just drive to "Lucania", the town even Gracie cant pass without hailed like a queen. Even Zeus would be attract less attention than Antonio in there. Antonios path and companion would be revealed just by Cordia passing through there and MCs death seconds after leaving Antonios car would be too suspicious.

But as long as he dont pass through Lucania that is a verry good plan. But still if something gets wrong you dont have an allibi and thats not how people acts who think several steps ahead. There would be at least a contingency plan

 

[whichone]

But still if something gets wrong you dont have an allibi and thats not how people acts who think several steps ahead. There would be at least a contingency plan

Absolutely, totally agree.
That is why I do not think he hired the mercs. There was no contingency there.
The mercs failed & MC lived.

Alibi is easy. As you say, everyone's eyes are on him, so Antonio was seen in Lucania, plenty of people saw the MC drive off, alone.
Maybe he was still there, when MC was killed. Or he was back at the mansion.
Even if MC defeats the assassin, he wouldn't immediately think that he was set-up by Antonio.
Can just be explained as a rival family who have discovered the drop off point. They stole the package and tried to kill MC.
I think MC would accept that.

Now look at the situation where he set up the hit.
Say that Gracie, MC, Luna & Soldatos beat the mercs and they capture one.
Antonio's plan is fucked and he's potentially exposed. There is no contingency here.
Even without the added element of risk that his sisters being there represents, it's still more risky than just sending MC somewhere.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

Maybe he was still there, when MC was killed. Or he was back at the mansion.
Even if MC defeats the assassin, as long as there is a package to collect, he won't immediately think that he was set-up by Antonio.
Can just be explained as a rival family who have discovered the drop off point.
I think MC would accept that.

I have no objection here, that is much better

Now look at the situation where he set up the hit.
Gracie, Luna & Soldatos beat the mercs and they capture one.
Antonio's plan is fucked and he's potentially exposed.
Even without the element of risk that his sisters being there represents, it's still more risky than just sending MC somewhere.

1 - The thing is they already captured one of the mercenaries but didnt bother to interrogate.
2 - He didnt order hit himself, Trino was the midman so every clue ends up at Trino. When Trino captured, he interrogated Trino himself and made sure he didnt talk. After interrogaiton completed he just killed Trino, preventing him talking becuse of any "regret" he might have.
3 - There is mole or something problem which reached even their dinner table already, so he can escape from nearly anything withovt doing much.

 

[Master of Puppets]

As far as I know three dots used for incomplete sentences regardless their content.

Yeah, for me "..." indicates a run on, sentence unfinished because stopped to think, to contemplate. Often precedes a revelation. Kind of like a pregnant pause. "Oh! Wait... I get it!" lol
Also used to indicate that there is no need to say the words.
"You know how I feel..."

Traditionally the ellipsis is used for the speaker pausing or trailing off, a speaker being interrupted would typically be rendered by a dash instead:
"What? I should've–" *bang!*

 

[whichone]

1 - The thing is they already captured one of the mercenaries but didnt bother to interrogate.
2 - He didnt order hit himself, Trino was the midman so every clue ends up at Trino. When Trino captured, he interrogated Trino himself and made sure he didnt talk. After interrogaiton completed he just killed Trino, preventing him talking becuse of any "regret" he might have.
3 - There is mole or something problem which reached even their dinner table already, so he can escape from nearly anything withovt doing much.

1. Yeah, true. But he wouldn't have known that they wouldn't interrogate, so there's a potentially large risk he could be exposed to. I do not think that he would leave himself open to potentially being exposed, like that.

2. Yeah, that's totally plausible. But with no indication that he dislikes MC, no indication of him being power hungry or greedy and ambitious, no indication of a reason for him to want to kill MC, it's a currently a bit lacking, in terms of motivation for why he even would.
He even stated that he did not know of MC's importance, so if he was pretty much unaware of him, why would he want to kill him?
Seems a bit random.

3. This one definitely seems to indicate someone higher up but, don't forget, who prepared the food? Who served it?
Is this him organising one of the kitchen/waiting staff to do it, same way as he did with Trino? Definitely plausible.
I'm still left with the question of "why?", though.
Without any motivation established, plus the established narrative that he did not know about the MC, it seems rather improbable that he'd want to kill a guy he didn't know anything about. Particularly not in such dramatic & visible fashion.
Killing MC at their dinner table, is a brazen attack, very disrespectful, so Cordia is not going to take that lying down.
Antonio knows this. If he wanted to get rid of him, I think this way is less probable than him having sent the mercs.

If we'd seen that he'd been trying to start a war, with another family, then we'd have reason.
Family X did this, we must retaliate!

 

[themangoat]

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[whichone]

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See, I have more that feeling from Wilfred, with his moves to gain territory, his clear contempt for some other family's members, etc.
Defying Cordia's explicit wishes & training Gracie.
Don't forget, Wilfred is on 2nd "forgive & forget".
3rd time you eliminate & forget.

What has Antonio ever done? Other than shoot a traitor?
I think that Gracie has displayed far greater ambition than Antonio ever has.
Defying her Mother's wishes and sneaking onto the mission, then defying Antonio and sneaking in with Joey to put a kaibosh on Straffan's plan.
Has Antonio done something so bold? Has he ever blatantly defied his Mother's wishes? I can't think of an example.

As for he "definitely wants a war", I don't think there is anything which is definite to draw this conclusion from.
Which other family has he shown disatisfaction with, or contempt for?
He was short with Straffan, who was being out of line in the first place.
But that's not him looking for war. That's simply asserting appropriate authority & putting the jumped up little prick in his place.
Straffan proved that he was just looking for a reason to make a name for himself and push his Family higher up the chain.
Can't think of anyone else that Antonio's had a run-in with, that provides an example of him pushing for a war.

 

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