Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[Lord Verminaard]

As I said, there is no exclamation mark, so there is nothing to indicate surprise or shock.
"!", as you know, is how you indicate those emotions, textually.

As far as I know three dots used for incomplete sentences regardless their content. If you want to create confusion about something three dots can be used for that purpose without giving away anymore emotion while an exlamation mark indicate that emotions without doubt. I know Iam shooting my own leg here If an exclamation mark would used, my claim about Trino would become a fact but it isnt used so we wouldnt go beyond speculations. Both our claims has same chance.

For me, it was just Antonio got angry at the fact that they'd done so much for this kid & he'd betrayed them, so didn't care to listen & just executed him in vengeance.

I cannot see Antonio placing his sisters in such jeopardy. Despite whatever order he may have given, once bullets start flying Gracie & Luna could get hit, accidentally or otherwise.
He has no established reason to kill MC, not displayed any dislike or desire to harm him.
He certainly has no reason to do it in such a blatant manner, placing his sisters in potential danger.

For that part I have nothing to say. Even if he has a reason we dont know yet.

He could just secretly send the MC somewhere & have someone waiting there to whack him, where no-one ever knows.

That part I dont know. Sure, MC must obey all of his words but sending MC somewhere secrectly has more chance to backfire than ordering that hit. An order like "Dont tell about this to anybody including Wilfred" would be too suspicious. Without that particular order there is always a chance (and considering MC, very strong chance) MC would tell somebody about it (even for answering a simple question like "where are you going?" asked by someone from household). And there arent any allibies like his sisters being in firezone.

 

[whichone]

As far as I know three dots used for incomplete sentences regardless their content. If you want to create confusion about something three dots can be used for that purpose without giving away anymore emotion while an exlamation mark indicate that emotions without doubt. I know Iam shooting my own leg here If an exclamation mark would used, my claim about Trino would become a fact but it isnt used so we wouldnt go beyond speculations. Both our claims has same chance.

Yeah, for me "..." indicates a run on, sentence unfinished because stopped to think, to contemplate. Often precedes a revelation. Kind of like a pregnant pause. "Oh! Wait... I get it!" lol
Also used to indicate that there is no need to say the words.
"You know how I feel..."
In place of actually saying "You know how I feel, I love you.".

Ha ha, yeah the inclusion of ! would settle it. But that would take all the fun out of speculation!

That part I dont know. Sure, MC must obey all of his words but sending MC somewhere secrectly has more chance to backfire than ordering that hit. An order like "Dont tell about this to anybody including Wilfred" would be too suspicious. Without that particular order there is always a chance (and considering MC, very strong chance) MC would tell somebody about it (even for answering a simple question like "where are you going?" asked by someone from household). And there arent any allibies like his sisters being in firezone.

Antonio: "MC, come to Lucania with me."
MC: "Sure."
Drive to town.
Antonio: "I need you to go and collect something for me. Take the car and go to location X."
MC: "Sure."
MC drives off, Antonio goes back home.
Says that MC asked to borrow the car, he needed to do something, didn't say what/where.
MC goes to collection spot, gets shot.

Ha ha, that wouldn't make much of a game!
But, it would seem a far more simple way for Antonio to carry out an attempted assassination, than placing his sisters and family's soldatos in danger.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

Ha ha, yeah the inclusion of ! would settle it. But that would take all the fun out of speculation!

Antonio: "MC, come to Lucania with me."
MC: "Sure."
Drive to town.
Antonio: "I need you to go and collect something for me. Take the car and go to location X."
MC: "Sure."
MC drives off, Antonio goes back home.
Says that MC asked to borrow the car, he needed to do something, didn't say what/where.
MC goes to collection spot, gets shot.

Speculation part is great fun.

You just drive to "Lucania", the town even Gracie cant pass without hailed like a queen. Even Zeus would be attract less attention than Antonio in there. Antonios path and companion would be revealed just by Cordia passing through there and MCs death seconds after leaving Antonios car would be too suspicious.

But as long as he dont pass through Lucania that is a verry good plan. But still if something gets wrong you dont have an allibi and thats not how people acts who think several steps ahead. There would be at least a contingency plan

 

[whichone]

But still if something gets wrong you dont have an allibi and thats not how people acts who think several steps ahead. There would be at least a contingency plan

Absolutely, totally agree.
That is why I do not think he hired the mercs. There was no contingency there.
The mercs failed & MC lived.

Alibi is easy. As you say, everyone's eyes are on him, so Antonio was seen in Lucania, plenty of people saw the MC drive off, alone.
Maybe he was still there, when MC was killed. Or he was back at the mansion.
Even if MC defeats the assassin, he wouldn't immediately think that he was set-up by Antonio.
Can just be explained as a rival family who have discovered the drop off point. They stole the package and tried to kill MC.
I think MC would accept that.

Now look at the situation where he set up the hit.
Say that Gracie, MC, Luna & Soldatos beat the mercs and they capture one.
Antonio's plan is fucked and he's potentially exposed. There is no contingency here.
Even without the added element of risk that his sisters being there represents, it's still more risky than just sending MC somewhere.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

Maybe he was still there, when MC was killed. Or he was back at the mansion.
Even if MC defeats the assassin, as long as there is a package to collect, he won't immediately think that he was set-up by Antonio.
Can just be explained as a rival family who have discovered the drop off point.
I think MC would accept that.

I have no objection here, that is much better

Now look at the situation where he set up the hit.
Gracie, Luna & Soldatos beat the mercs and they capture one.
Antonio's plan is fucked and he's potentially exposed.
Even without the element of risk that his sisters being there represents, it's still more risky than just sending MC somewhere.

1 - The thing is they already captured one of the mercenaries but didnt bother to interrogate.
2 - He didnt order hit himself, Trino was the midman so every clue ends up at Trino. When Trino captured, he interrogated Trino himself and made sure he didnt talk. After interrogaiton completed he just killed Trino, preventing him talking becuse of any "regret" he might have.
3 - There is mole or something problem which reached even their dinner table already, so he can escape from nearly anything withovt doing much.

 

[Master of Puppets]

As far as I know three dots used for incomplete sentences regardless their content.

Yeah, for me "..." indicates a run on, sentence unfinished because stopped to think, to contemplate. Often precedes a revelation. Kind of like a pregnant pause. "Oh! Wait... I get it!" lol
Also used to indicate that there is no need to say the words.
"You know how I feel..."

Traditionally the ellipsis is used for the speaker pausing or trailing off, a speaker being interrupted would typically be rendered by a dash instead:
"What? I should've–" *bang!*

 

[whichone]

1 - The thing is they already captured one of the mercenaries but didnt bother to interrogate.
2 - He didnt order hit himself, Trino was the midman so every clue ends up at Trino. When Trino captured, he interrogated Trino himself and made sure he didnt talk. After interrogaiton completed he just killed Trino, preventing him talking becuse of any "regret" he might have.
3 - There is mole or something problem which reached even their dinner table already, so he can escape from nearly anything withovt doing much.

1. Yeah, true. But he wouldn't have known that they wouldn't interrogate, so there's a potentially large risk he could be exposed to. I do not think that he would leave himself open to potentially being exposed, like that.

2. Yeah, that's totally plausible. But with no indication that he dislikes MC, no indication of him being power hungry or greedy and ambitious, no indication of a reason for him to want to kill MC, it's a currently a bit lacking, in terms of motivation for why he even would.
He even stated that he did not know of MC's importance, so if he was pretty much unaware of him, why would he want to kill him?
Seems a bit random.

3. This one definitely seems to indicate someone higher up but, don't forget, who prepared the food? Who served it?
Is this him organising one of the kitchen/waiting staff to do it, same way as he did with Trino? Definitely plausible.
I'm still left with the question of "why?", though.
Without any motivation established, plus the established narrative that he did not know about the MC, it seems rather improbable that he'd want to kill a guy he didn't know anything about. Particularly not in such dramatic & visible fashion.
Killing MC at their dinner table, is a brazen attack, very disrespectful, so Cordia is not going to take that lying down.
Antonio knows this. If he wanted to get rid of him, I think this way is less probable than him having sent the mercs.

If we'd seen that he'd been trying to start a war, with another family, then we'd have reason.
Family X did this, we must retaliate!

 

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[whichone]

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See, I have more that feeling from Wilfred, with his moves to gain territory, his clear contempt for some other family's members, etc.
Defying Cordia's explicit wishes & training Gracie.
Don't forget, Wilfred is on 2nd "forgive & forget".
3rd time you eliminate & forget.

What has Antonio ever done? Other than shoot a traitor?
I think that Gracie has displayed far greater ambition than Antonio ever has.
Defying her Mother's wishes and sneaking onto the mission, then defying Antonio and sneaking in with Joey to put a kaibosh on Straffan's plan.
Has Antonio done something so bold? Has he ever blatantly defied his Mother's wishes? I can't think of an example.

As for he "definitely wants a war", I don't think there is anything which is definite to draw this conclusion from.
Which other family has he shown disatisfaction with, or contempt for?
He was short with Straffan, who was being out of line in the first place.
But that's not him looking for war. That's simply asserting appropriate authority & putting the jumped up little prick in his place.
Straffan proved that he was just looking for a reason to make a name for himself and push his Family higher up the chain.
Can't think of anyone else that Antonio's had a run-in with, that provides an example of him pushing for a war.

 

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[Cartageno]

What has Antonio ever done? Other than shoot a traitor?

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Yes, it should be "show, don't tell", but to me the whole story is set up with Antonio being a "doer" if not hanging around in a dark corner of the bar, just his mom will not go away anytime soon, so his time inheriting the throne is yet to come. Think "Prince Charles". Only instead of painting and going to environmental summits, Antonio does ... something, I guess?

Yes, we don't see it thus cannot know and I could be all wrong, but the way everybody treats him to me seems to indicate he can do stuff. Granted, the one mission he organized he was Straffan levels of overconfident against Straffan, and were it not for Gracie and this one elite whose name I forgot - does anybody remember? - would have maybe not failed but have had severe casualties, plus his handling of the whole situation in the office was too hot blooded (still more relateable than Wilfred taking land from Giacobbe) ...

We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

3. This one definitely seems to indicate someone higher up but, don't forget, who prepared the food? Who served it?
Is this him organising one of the kitchen/waiting staff to do it, same way as he did with Trino? Definitely plausible.
I'm still left with the question of "why?", though.
Without any motivation established, plus the established narrative that he did not know about the MC, it seems rather improbable that he'd want to kill a guy he didn't know anything about. Particularly not in such dramatic & visible fashion.
Killing MC at their dinner table, is a brazen attack, very disrespectful, so Cordia is not going to take that lying down.
Antonio knows this. If he wanted to get rid of him, I think this way is less probable than him having sent the mercs.

If we'd seen that he'd been trying to start a war, with another family, then we'd have reason.
Family X did this, we must retaliate!

Wait, I am not saying Antonio tried to poison MC. He is definetely innocent on both poison and break occasions in my eyes. I am just having problems with Trinos deat, specifically about "why so fast?" question. He is being death in the Antoino's hand is bring some suspicion to him. If Wilfred would killed Trino without Cordia order, I would ask smae question to him.

I am saying at that point someone tried to kill MC twice already and in one of the occasions Consigliere was under the threat to, in second attempt the whole family could be a colletral damage. He doesnt have any obvious motivation yet but he could act to protect family with killing MC. Or he could have other reasons that has not been revealed to us and used this twice attacks to create an oppurtunity?

Again true but he is overly underestimating Straffan and Fazios and showed open hostility towards them. He cant do both aganist MC while he is under the protection of his own moher.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

Traditionally the ellipsis is used for the speaker pausing or trailing off, a speaker being interrupted would typically be rendered by a dash instead:
"What? I should've–" *bang!*

After your comment I returned to gallery and reviewed scene, and it is exactly like that. Now I am feeling like an idiot. Thanks for the enlightenment.

 

[jish55]

I REALLY want the next update to revolve around us finding Mr. Mustache and imprisoning him, where Luna get's to have her fun and torture him for as long as she desires, giving him the same treatment he gave her with electric cage and all.

 

[Lord Verminaard]

I REALLY want the next update to revolve around us finding Mr. Mustache and imprisoning him, where Luna get's to have her fun and torture him for as long as she desires, giving him the same treatment he gave her with electric cage and all.

That time would come in the future but not for near future I think. It would be near to end game, because unraveling and destroying Mysterious Six means Lunas arc completed of near completion.

 

[jish55]

That time would come in the future but not for near future I think. It would be near to end game, because unraveling and destroying Mysterious Six means Lunas arc completed of near completion.

Well not the capturing of him where it'll most likely be mid game, but him giving out information won't come till near the end. I feel that if we found him and didn't spend a good month torturing him before hand, it would feel too unrealistic for him to just divulge information within a day or so.

 

[Greek_Lover]

Is there any save file available?

 

[Ezequiel14]

Does anyone know how I can change the language of the game?

 

[Tyktamsyl]

Is it a typo, or do they really intend to keep making this game for like 10 years? last time I was here was at least 6 months ago, but probably a year ago and I don't know where it was, but if its at 0.07.2... well it would take like at least 10 years to finish.

 

[JJJ84]

Is there any save file available?

Use thread search.

Does anyone know how I can change the language of the game?

From what I can tell, only language currently available for the game is English (default).

Is it a typo, or do they really intend to keep making this game for like 10 years? last time I was here was at least 6 months ago, but probably a year ago and I don't know where it was, but if its at 0.07.2... well it would take like at least 10 years to finish.

The dev (Hopes) said that the game is like 30% done with the recent update.
And the version number isn't really a good indicator of how much complete the game is anyway. I've seen several games on this site which jumped from number like 0.46 to 0.64 or etc.

Not saying just because numbering of game version goes up like that DeLuca will be rushed. Only saying that the version numbering here isn't all that reliable.

Plus, the recent update took longer because of the major overhaul in gameplay mechanics (contracts). Hopes said future releases will be released quicker, and have smaller content (though not always a guarantee).