VN Ren'Py Abandoned The Duumvirate [v0.20] [Marc Antony]

[Kukipett]

I see some comments here complaining that this game could get some NTR, domination and so on and asking the author to give up that kind of route because they think people wont like this.
WTF, let the author do what he wants to, trying to influence him by some kind of menace about people not subscribing or rejecting him is a really bad attitude.
If you are not interested in the stuff he wants to do, just drop it and play other games.

Do you really think that a good developer just make such a game for the money and wants the larger number of player as possible at any cost.

If it was so he would have made the classic shitty game wher the MC has a huge cock, go back to his family, fuck everyboy, cheat on everybody building his harem and end up my making pregnant all of his docile women!!!
The perfect game for a shy virgin teenager with a micropenis

 

[Marc Antony]

I know the whole post is not directed at me, but part of it is, so go back and read what I said, point out where I am wrong or how my opinion is not valid and I will happily debate you in private pm any time at your convenience. Also, points I raised were even proven correct in posts that followed as others pretty much asked or stated things I talked about it. You might be angry that was the case and I am sensing a slight sense of irritability whether you admit to it or not. But words written can sometimes be misleading. Maybe you are just a bit upset people numerous times throughout the 7 pages of your gaming thread have asked numerous questions of you about the future tags of the game.

You don't have to reveal much of anything to anyone story wise, so stop making out like all those people were asking for your script page for page. If the MAID for instance takes your girlfriend later on without the boyfriend consent etc, that is NTR, if the maid and the boyfriend share one of the girls that is sharing etc etc,

type planned tags. NTR, SHARING ETC.

What does that reveal about the future chapters ??, nothing, it is just tags and gives the people who asked a hint of maybe whether they like the future tags or don't. If you don't want to do that or reveal anything, just say that. Now considering I only made one post so far in your thread, I know your seemingly irritable nature is not really directed at me, this will be my second post and last, unless I need to respond to something or have to give input. I took up some other points in your post admittedly not for me and directed to answer others, but that is what those people probably want, the tags for future things if you know them, not the script to your story.

We have different understandings of telling a story then. Because if I tell you, "Yes, the MC (you) will definitely experience xyz instance of another character having sex with so and so" that takes stakes out of the story. Same as if I say, "No, the MC will definitely always triumph 100% of the time with his cock which is the most important thing in the universe".

If I tell you either of those things there is a drastically reduced amount of pressure and intrigue in the story. You KNOW the MC will always prevail. Or you KNOW the MC has a possibility of losing in this or that scenario.

And I assure you I'm not hiding tags because I'm afraid of offending a prospective audience. In layman's terms I'm making a porn game that I wished someone else made. Being excited for the next chapter. Will a decision MC made lead to another character gaining the upper hand in such and such scenario? Could be, maybe not. I am attempting to blend a decently written erotic story with renders that are nice to look at. A decent story requires conflict and unresolved tension that either is resolved at the end or is left hanging for a potential sequel.

Can I be told my writing is bad and accept that? Sure, tell me the writing is bad on a technical level and articulate why so I can either improve or fail to write a compelling story.
Can I be told my renders are bad and accept that? Please, point out objections to them. I welcome them to improve my 3D Art skills.

I will probably update the OP to include something along the lines of this message;

If you are looking for a VN where you are an unchallenged God for a complete power fantasy scenario of bedding every single female without any difficulty or serious conflict that lasts longer than 2 scenes, play WVM. This is not that.

If you are looking for a VN where you are a wimpy, useless cuckold character who watches his love interest and mother get taken away and gangbanged by homeless guys, play something else. This is not that either.

If I get $0 and 0 people ever care to support my efforts because they enjoy something like this, that is alright. I would love to receive that support so I can dedicate more time and hardware to the endeavor but if it doesn't happen then it means the users here were right and no one else wants this sort of thing.

 

[Legendary101]

We have different understandings of telling a story then. Because if I tell you, "Yes, the MC (you) will definitely experience xyz instance of another character having sex with so and so" that takes stakes out of the story. Same as if I say, "No, the MC will definitely always triumph 100% of the time with his cock which is the most important thing in the universe".

If I tell you either of those things there is a drastically reduced amount of pressure and intrigue in the story. You KNOW the MC will always prevail. Or you KNOW the MC has a possibility of losing in this or that scenario.

You have literally just stated what I said for you not to do if you did not want to, which is share your script and exactly what happened. What I said was to share the planned tags. ie just state sharing, Maledom, cuckold, etc etc whatever.

But you have clearly stated now you do not want to share much of anything to keep the mystery and I guess that is up to the people who were asking if that is enough for them.

Considering you did not quote my original post and point out anything that was not valid, as I stated I was happy to debate it with you, that is me finished in this thread. The people who were looking for clarification on tags etc I guess they will respond or answer you now if that is enough for them or the thread will flow in another direction.

Goodbye.

 

[Deleted member 1399911]

I'm just going to assume it's one of those cases where the Dev doesn't believe it's NTR and just move on.

As it stands I see the GF getting forced somehow magically out of no where, and I'm not to suspect NTR..

 

[TundraLupus]

Why the need of supernatural powers ??? Can't you imagine that people can get intrested in a domination without beeing forced to. Seeing someone dominate others can induce the kink of beeing also dominated.
Of course if you are reluctant to that kind of situation, you can't imagine that kind of stuff.

nope, I actually like being dominated, but that situation makes no sense in the context presented on the story, the character went from a serious talk, not interested in others, not liking the public displays of affection, being in a dominant positioning(or trying to), to allowing the maid to run her hands over her and almost masturbating, this is not a natural human progression, this is porn logic if the game intends to be purally porn fantasy it should be upfront with it, otherwise, it should try and make believable characters, she went from the resolute girlfriend to being ready to be dominated in a minutes notice, that makes absolutely no sense at all from a human perspective, again if it is only porn than so be it, I'm not interested, but if this is supposed to be a believable story to get to that point it should have taken at least, and that is being generous because of how these games work, a week in the game, not a minute, sure she could have gotten interested and horny, but no human being that wasn't already horny or ready to cheat would have gotten there that quickly and even if they were most wouldn't in the first day, good BDSM isn't about corruption.


edit: also just because from what I read around here it seems like the dev wants to go the mystery route a little bit, if you want to do that don't show us stuff that the MC doesn't know about, that makes no sense in mystery novels and actually takes the enjoyment away, give us context clues through the everyone and character interaction, if the mystery is not something they are aiming at then half their comments make nonsense as well, the difference between a VN like this and a professional VN, AAA, AA, A games, movies, and books is that those are finished when we play it this is more like a tv show so strutyny of every episode/update is going to be heavy, people will point out the flaws in writing and etc..., this was the only flaw I found, normally I can even ignore seeing what the MC doesn't since for some reason a lot of people like doing that in their games, but I'll not just let something that I feel detracts from the experience withoth making note of it, I wanted to give a fair criticism of the scene and what made it feel like it did, and asked for clarification and maybe planned tags because I would like to avoid a game with tropes that I don't like, and I offered critiscims because it felt needed since that scene is there since the beginning and nothing really has been changed since them besides the small extra scene with the maid and the mothers, I have no problem with NTR, cheating, sharing(actually really like this one), Femdom(being on either end), maledom(normally on the giving end but if it is well writing on the receiving as well), and any other tag really if it is well written but corruption and mind-control are rarely done well, I was curious about this but seeing how the response to critiscm is on this page I lost my interest completally, I just come back because people decided to quote me, as I've said if this is purely porn for porn porpuses so be it, if the dev wants to make a good story though they need to step up on the character writing by a lot after what I've seen.

 

[Kukipett]

nope, I actually like being dominated, but that situation makes no sense in the context presented on the story, the character went from a serious talk, not interested in others, not liking the public displays of affection, being in a dominant positioning(or trying to), to allowing the maid to run her hands over her and almost masturbating, this is not a natural human progression, this is porn logic if the game intends to be purally porn fantasy it should be upfront with it, otherwise, it should try and make believable characters, she went from the resolute girlfriend to being ready to be dominated in a minutes notice, that makes absolutely no sense at all from a human perspective, again if it is only porn than so be it, I'm not interested, but if this is supposed to be a believable story to get to that point it should have taken at least, and that is being generous because of how these games work, a week in the game, not a minute, sure she could have gotten interested and horny, but no human being that wasn't already horny or ready to cheat would have gotten there that quickly and even if they were most wouldn't in the first day, good BDSM isn't about corruption.


edit: also just because from what I read around here it seems like the dev wants to go the mystery route a little bit, if you want to do that don't show us stuff that the MC doesn't know about, that makes no sense in mystery novels and actually takes the enjoyment away, give us context clues through the everyone and character interaction, if the mystery is not something they are aiming at then half their comments make nonsense as well, the difference between a VN like this and a professional VN, AAA, AA, A games, movies, and books is that those are finished when we play it this is more like a tv show so strutyny of every episode/update is going to be heavy, people will point out the flaws in writing and etc..., this was the only flaw I found, normally I can even ignore seeing what the MC doesn't since for some reason a lot of people like doing that in their games, but I'll not just let something that I feel detracts from the experience withoth making note of it, I wanted to give a fair criticism of the scene and what made it feel like it did, and asked for clarification and maybe planned tags because I would like to avoid a game with tropes that I don't like, and I offered critiscims because it felt needed since that scene is there since the beginning and nothing really has been changed since them besides the small extra scene with the maid and the mothers, I have no problem with NTR, cheating, sharing(actually really like this one), Femdom(being on either end), maledom(normally on the giving end but if it is well writing on the receiving as well), and any other tag really if it is well written but corruption and mind-control are rarely done well, I was curious about this but seeing how the response to critiscm is on this page I lost my interest completally, I just come back because people decided to quote me, as I've said if this is purely porn for porn porpuses so be it, if the dev wants to make a good story though they need to step up on the character writing by a lot after what I've seen.

Yes i must agree with you that this progression of domination was a bit rushed with Loraine, but it was even much more rushed with the precedent version of the game.
So i perfectly understand that it seems unnatural for you. I feel also the same, the game jumps right into action and reveal a bit to much a bit to fast.
The maid having some kind of hypnotic power to seduce anybody almost instantly seems odd.
In a precedent message based on the fisrt version, i said that it would have been better to make the maid less obviously evil and let the time for those relation to develop slowly, but someone told me that i should not make such suggestion, so i droped it.

 

[SpecularGoodness]

is there a sister or cousin in this game?

 

[Kukipett]

is there a sister or cousin in this game?

Not for the moment, but i think that momma will loooove her big boy

 

[eneas56]

will see

 

[acondo]

We have different understandings of telling a story then. Because if I tell you, "Yes, the MC (you) will definitely experience xyz instance of another character having sex with so and so" that takes stakes out of the story. Same as if I say, "No, the MC will definitely always triumph 100% of the time with his cock which is the most important thing in the universe".

If I tell you either of those things there is a drastically reduced amount of pressure and intrigue in the story. You KNOW the MC will always prevail. Or you KNOW the MC has a possibility of losing in this or that scenario.

And I assure you I'm not hiding tags because I'm afraid of offending a prospective audience. In layman's terms I'm making a porn game that I wished someone else made. Being excited for the next chapter. Will a decision MC made lead to another character gaining the upper hand in such and such scenario? Could be, maybe not. I am attempting to blend a decently written erotic story with renders that are nice to look at. A decent story requires conflict and unresolved tension that either is resolved at the end or is left hanging for a potential sequel.

Can I be told my writing is bad and accept that? Sure, tell me the writing is bad on a technical level and articulate why so I can either improve or fail to write a compelling story.
Can I be told my renders are bad and accept that? Please, point out objections to them. I welcome them to improve my 3D Art skills.

I will probably update the OP to include something along the lines of this message;

If you are looking for a VN where you are an unchallenged God for a complete power fantasy scenario of bedding every single female without any difficulty or serious conflict that lasts longer than 2 scenes, play WVM. This is not that.

If you are looking for a VN where you are a wimpy, useless cuckold character who watches his love interest and mother get taken away and gangbanged by homeless guys, play something else. This is not that either.

If I get $0 and 0 people ever care to support my efforts because they enjoy something like this, that is alright. I would love to receive that support so I can dedicate more time and hardware to the endeavor but if it doesn't happen then it means the users here were right and no one else wants this sort of thing.

Mate you’re incredibly dense, as some people say before nobody is asking for spoilers, just for future tags.

When you buy a new novel you probably read the synopsis but don’t know shit about the overall story, but you certainly know about the genre of the book.

 

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[Deleted member 770309]

Well the way this is going so far it seems like it is some NTR cuck game to me. Plus i just checked the name of the game and it seems like it will be a sharing cuck game.

 

[keeptemo]

Well the way this is going so far it seems like it is some NTR cuck game to me. Plus i just checked the name of the game and it seems like it will be a sharing cuck game.

The way the conversation fell off here I'd say this project is DOA

 

[Marc Antony]

The way the conversation fell off here I'd say this project is DOA

Thank you for the vote of confidence, I'll mark it down.

 

[Ursus4321]

In the end, a lot of anger because they ask him this and that. But keep dodging the topic of future tags. Nobody wants the script, almost nobody asks you to change anything. Just put the future tags like many other games. As simple as that. And if you really don't care about money, what can you lose by putting these tags on?

 

[Impl0dedcrev]

idk if this has been answered already and I haven't actually played the game yet but I just have to ask, will this game have only 1 path or outcome?
for example the generic MC gets all the girls ending being the only scenario that happens
or will it be more of a " depending on your choices and the situations you might get all, none or just some of the girls" type game? because I like games with choice.
also if its the latter will it be a drastic difference in "paths" or not really?

 

[Kukipett]

Ask the dev, we just had to play a short intro for the moment .

 

[bruce555]

Will there be animations in the game?

 

[Chimba]

hahaha it was kind of funny to read the 7 pages of comments .... 7 pages practically just discussing the tags (or rather the lack of tags).

Dev by putting the planned tag in the dev notes you save time and at the same time bad reviews or comments ... you are not giving a spoiler of the story, just saying the kinks that will appear in the game, it is your game so you do what you want with it, nobody is telling you not to do it, the only thing I see is people asking something that maybe deserves an answer and make it easy to avoid all the discussion just by writing Planed tags: .......
(and I know this can get worse in the comments if a scene appears that they did not expect hahaha)

Good luck whit the game

 

[S Key]

Is this project still being worked on?