VN Ren'Py Completed The Fosters [v1.01] [_13_]

[tigerdiamond]

Except that he has a damned website of all of the stuff. The feds would've knocked on his door years earlier if he didn't have some kind of connections there as well. The entire time the MC was revealing everything, John didn't look even remotely scared. There's probably a reason for that. I doubt "I was expecting something like this would happen" only means he expected someone in the house to confront him. Again, he's had years to prepare for this confrontation. Thinking that running is "His only recourse" is, frankly, naïf.

This is precisely the problem. The MC is too inexperienced in this type of thing. Revealing his plan to Big John was only one example of his naïveté. Doing stupid crap like that is a major impediment to getting rid of BJ.

And how many ways to kill someone do you imagine the MC has ever looked up? And do you really believe BJ has had the camera to the MC's room always off? The MC didn't even find out about the cameras until recently, so anything he thought might have been a private conversation would have easily been revealed to John. So any spoken plans, anything looked up on his computer, etc., is almost certain to have been seen by John ahead of time. BJ doesn't need to be the cleverest of people; he needs only to be clever enough to watch footage and keep his eye on the MC.

I understand putting yourself in the MC's shoes, but you also need to view things from the MC's perspective. Just because you know of "so many ways to kill a person" doesn't mean the MC knows those same ways. The MC has proven himself extremely clueless in dealing with threats, so I highly doubt he would have the level of knowledge you seem to be attributing to him.

oh honey, you really think it takes a mole in the feds to get a kiddy porn site up without getting arrested. You have a wonderfully sweet view of the world.

like it'd be so easy to poison his food, feed a tube under the door and pump the room full of car exhaust while he slept, if lock to the "secret room" wasn't changed yet you could just go in there while he slept the slit his throat. like, I get you want to defend the dev's writing, but acting like it's hard to kill someone isn't the way.

anyway I won't be replying further to prevent getting yelled at for off topic.

 

[Sylandrical]

Okay... I didn't expect much but... holy shit I love this game.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

oh honey, you really think it takes a mole in the feds to get a kiddy porn site up without getting arrested. You have a wonderfully sweet view of the world.

like it'd be so easy to poison his food, feed a tube under the door and pump the room full of car exhaust while he slept, if lock to the "secret room" wasn't changed yet you could just go in there while he slept the slit his throat. like, I get you want to defend the dev's writing, but acting like it's hard to kill someone isn't the way.

anyway I won't be replying further to prevent getting yelled at for off topic.

"Oh, honey": yeah, not condescending at all. Glad you won't be replying anymore, especially because you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Ignoring you now.

 

[_13_]

oh honey, you really think it takes a mole in the feds to get a kiddy porn site up without getting arrested. You have a wonderfully sweet view of the world.

like it'd be so easy to poison his food, feed a tube under the door and pump the room full of car exhaust while he slept, if lock to the "secret room" wasn't changed yet you could just go in there while he slept the slit his throat. like, I get you want to defend the dev's writing, but acting like it's hard to kill someone isn't the way.

anyway I won't be replying further to prevent getting yelled at for off topic.

Knowing ways to kill someone and actually being able to kill a person, even an abusive monster, are two very different things. It's easy for people who haven't ever killed someone to say they would kill a person. It isn't always easy when the time comes to do it. It's also easy to say you'd kill an abuser in a situation you yourself have never lived in... for over a dozen years.

A lot more people kill themselves rather than their abusers simply because it's easier to take your own life than another person. Sure, there are those who kill their abusers, but the majority of people continue to live through the abuse. It's much more likely for the abuser to kill their child victim than it is for the victim to kill their abuser. Are all of those dead victims just a bunch of beta bitches who should have manned up and killed their abuser? That's ridiculous.

All of the people in the house (other than BJ) have been suffering through an abusive environment and all of them have suffered trauma (of varying degrees) which shapes their actions and reactions to what is happening. Survivors of abuse often times become victims again throughout their lives and others become abusers themselves. It isn't something they consciously develop. It is something they connect to their past abuse. It's just something they become.

Maybe some of you have lived through a similar relationship. Maybe you survived and have escaped the cycle of abuse to live a "normal" life. Maybe you're a victim again, currently living in an abusive relationship. Maybe you've become an abuser yourself, though you might not recognize it. And maybe, possibly you killed the person who was hurting you and your life became perfect and had absolutely no trauma to deal with, but I seriously doubt that's the case.

Like the story or don't. But don't trivialize the trauma abuse victims live through. Domestic violence and child sexual assault are real things and real problems.

Now, get back to talking about how unrealistic it was for Maria to want to forgive the MC after he talked to her. Maria, who along with her younger sister (who was a toddler at the time) was separated from her parents at the US border and kept in a holding facility (where she had to care for her sister) for a few years before being moved to an orphanage when her parents couldn't be found again. Then, after a few more years of living in an overcrowded and underfunded orphanage, she was finally placed into a foster home. A home she thought she would be safe in. A home with a boy just a little older than her. A boy who became her good friend, someone she actually cared for and who cared for her. And then, less than a year later, that relationship changed, horribly. The one friend she finally made after years of it only being her and her sister started to hurt her, pain and abuse which lasted for 2 years. She loved him, she needed that friendship. Even though it only lasted a matter of months, it had been the best time of her life. Memories of her parents were fuzzy and mostly were about their hardships. Memories of those early months with the MC were joyous, happy times. Him basically ignoring what he had been doing to her and never apologizing were the worst part for her, worse than the abuse itself. So, when he explained about the missing memories and apologized and then later explained what BJ said had happened, it was like opening a door of hope to her. Hope that her friend was really still there. That he hadn't done it to hurt her, that he didn't even know that he had done it. Sure, she's still a little wary of him, especially if he's been doing all those "a point" actions, but she wants to believe and trust him again. She needs it. She needs to not have been completely abandoned again.

But, whatever... she probably should have killed him when they were still tweens, right?

Edit: And I really, truly, hope none of you have or will ever experienced even a portion of the abuse depicted in this game.

 

[Banality]

so i guess incest is also avoidable in this game, right? Wouldn't make much sense to "save your family from the abuser" only to abuse them yourself, right? I guess the NTR question would be solved as well, if only big John is the one getting his pole polished.....

 

[tigerdiamond]

Knowing ways to kill someone and actually being able to kill a person, even an abusive monster, are two very different things. It's easy for people who haven't ever killed someone to say they would kill a person. It isn't always easy when the time comes to do it. It's also easy to say you'd kill an abuser in a situation you yourself have never lived in... for over a dozen years.

A lot more people kill themselves rather than their abusers simply because it's easier to take your own life than another person. Sure, there are those who kill their abusers, but the majority of people continue to live through the abuse. It's much more likely for the abuser to kill their child victim than it is for the victim to kill their abuser. Are all of those dead victims just a bunch of beta bitches who should have manned up and killed their abuser? That's ridiculous.

All of the people in the house (other than BJ) have been suffering through an abusive environment and all of them have suffered trauma (of varying degrees) which shapes their actions and reactions to what is happening. Survivors of abuse often times become victims again throughout their lives and others become abusers themselves. It isn't something they consciously develop. It is something they connect to their past abuse. It's just something they become.

Maybe some of you have lived through a similar relationship. Maybe you survived and have escaped the cycle of abuse to live a "normal" life. Maybe you're a victim again, currently living in an abusive relationship. Maybe you've become an abuser yourself, though you might not recognize it. And maybe, possibly you killed the person who was hurting you and your life became perfect and had absolutely no trauma to deal with, but I seriously doubt that's the case.

Like the story or don't. But don't trivialize the trauma abuse victims live through. Domestic violence and child sexual assault are real things and real problems.

Now, get back to talking about how unrealistic it was for Maria to want to forgive the MC after he talked to her. Maria, who along with her younger sister (who was a toddler at the time) was separated from her parents at the US border and kept in a holding facility (where she had to care for her sister) for a few years before being moved to an orphanage when her parents couldn't be found again. Then, after a few more years of living in an overcrowded and underfunded orphanage, she was finally placed into a foster home. A home she thought she would be safe in. A home with a boy just a little older than her. A boy who became her good friend, someone she actually cared for and who cared for her. And then, less than a year later, that relationship changed, horribly. The one friend she finally made after years of it only being her and her sister started to hurt her, pain and abuse which lasted for 2 years. She loved him, she needed that friendship. Even though it only lasted a matter of months, it had been the best time of her life. Memories of her parents were fuzzy and mostly were about their hardships. Memories of those early months with the MC were joyous, happy times. Him basically ignoring what he had been doing to her and never apologizing were the worst part for her, worse than the abuse itself. So, when he explained about the missing memories and apologized and then later explained what BJ said had happened, it was like opening a door of hope to her. Hope that her friend was really still there. That he hadn't done it to hurt her, that he didn't even know that he had done it. Sure, she's still a little wary of him, especially if he's been doing all those "a point" actions, but she wants to believe and trust him again. She needs it. She needs to not have been completely abandoned again.

But, whatever... she probably should have killed him when they were still tweens, right?

Edit: And I really, truly, hope none of you have or will ever experienced even a portion of the abuse depicted in this game.

that's a lot of words about not making assumptions while making assumptions about me and my experiences.

 

[Look-see]

do you HAVE to have a relationship with the girls? i'd rather avoid Julia and maria.

 

[Dragon59]

True gamer. What a neat setup. MC should get him addicted to Minecraft and the rest of the family won't ever see him again.

Yeah, that asset is pretty popular with developers having gamer or hacker characters. I can't help but think it doesn't look durable enough for him. It wouldn't take much for him to break it.

Knowing ways to kill someone and actually being able to kill a person, even an abusive monster, are two very different things. It's easy for people who haven't ever killed someone to say they would kill a person. It isn't always easy when the time comes to do it. It's also easy to say you'd kill an abuser in a situation you yourself have never lived in... for over a dozen years.

I once snapped a rat's neck to provide food for a skittish snake. The feeling of it's life falling away was sickening to me, but I could understand why someone could find a thrill in it. Killing, especially killing intimately is not an easy thing to do.

A lot more people kill themselves rather than their abusers simply because it's easier to take your own life than another person. Sure, there are those who kill their abusers, but the majority of people continue to live through the abuse. It's much more likely for the abuser to kill their child victim than it is for the victim to kill their abuser. Are all of those dead victims just a bunch of beta bitches who should have manned up and killed their abuser? That's ridiculous.

As a survivor of childhood abuse who finds himself still finding ways it changed me, I appreciate your responses here. Strangely enough, once I discovered that my abuser had died, I found I felt more free to be myself (even though the abuse had ended so many decades before).

People who have not experienced early abuse often don't understand how it undermines a victim's basic sense of self and self-worth. Suicide is unfortunately far too common a solution for their pain.

All of the people in the house (other than BJ) have been suffering through an abusive environment and all of them have suffered trauma (of varying degrees) which shapes their actions and reactions to what is happening. Survivors of abuse often times become victims again throughout their lives and others become abusers themselves. It isn't something they consciously develop. It is something they connect to their past abuse. It's just something they become.

In my own experience, a common way not to become an abuser oneself is to keep those feelings directed inward instead of "infecting" another. The problem with this half-way measure is that the abuser lives within the victim's brain long after the abuse has ended. Another reason many eventually end their lives.

Maybe some of you have lived through a similar relationship. Maybe you survived and have escaped the cycle of abuse to live a "normal" life. Maybe you're a victim again, currently living in an abusive relationship. Maybe you've become an abuser yourself, though you might not recognize it. And maybe, possibly you killed the person who was hurting you and your life became perfect and had absolutely no trauma to deal with, but I seriously doubt that's the case.

Like the story or don't. But don't trivialize the trauma abuse victims live through. Domestic violence and child sexual assault are real things and real problems.

Thank you.

Edit: And I really, truly, hope none of you have or will ever experienced even a portion of the abuse depicted in this game.

Yes, mine was nowhere near the systematic abuse some unfortunate people have had to live with. My heart goes out to those who have suffered like the kids in the story.

that's a lot of words about not making assumptions while making assumptions about me and my experiences.

It's not always about you.

I would venture to say that that was more about acknowledging those of us who have lived through this sort of stuff, acknowledging our experiences, not yours. Perhaps helping those who haven't to understand a little of what it is like.

Sure, _13_ could write a story where, once he begins to awaken to what's happening, the victim transforms instantly like the Grinch and deals with his abuser like an action hero. To do so might be a fantasy from some survivors, but to many survivors, it would be a reminder of how powerless they have felt since their abuse. Showing that it is a process, potentially a winnable process is a much harder story to write.

 

[Canto Forte]

Did you look at the proportions? That huge dude has to be using voice commands,
otherwise his mishroom fingers would type 3 letters/numbers at a time.

Yeah, that asset is pretty popular with developers having gamer or hacker characters. I can't help but think it doesn't look durable enough for him. It wouldn't take much for him to break it.

I once snapped a rat's neck to provide food for a skittish snake. The feeling of it's life falling away was sickening to me, but I could understand why someone could find a thrill in it. Killing, especially killing intimately is not an easy thing to do.

As a survivor of childhood abuse who finds himself still finding ways it changed me, I appreciate your responses here. Strangely enough, once I discovered that my abuser had died, I found I felt more free to be myself (even though the abuse had ended so many decades before).

People who have not experienced early abuse often don't understand how it undermines a victim's basic sense of self and self-worth. Suicide is unfortunately far too common a solution for their pain.

In my own experience, a common way not to become an abuser oneself is to keep those feelings directed inward instead of "infecting" another. The problem with this half-way measure is that the abuser lives within the victim's brain long after the abuse has ended. Another reason many eventually end their lives.

Thank you.

Yes, mine was nowhere near the systematic abuse some unfortunate people have had to live with. My heart goes out to those who have suffered like the kids in the story.

It's not always about you.

I would venture to say that that was more about acknowledging those of us who have lived through this sort of stuff, acknowledging our experiences, not yours. Perhaps helping those who haven't to understand a little of what it is like.

Sure, _13_ could write a story where, once he begins to awaken to what's happening, the victim transforms instantly like the Grinch and deals with his abuser like an action hero. To do so might be a fantasy from some survivors, but to many survivors, it would be a reminder of how powerless they have felt since their abuse. Showing that it is a process, potentially a winnable process is a much harder story to write.

Yeah, that asset is pretty popular with developers having gamer or hacker characters. I can't help but think it doesn't look durable enough for him. It wouldn't take much for him to break it.

I once snapped a rat's neck to provide food for a skittish snake. The feeling of it's life falling away was sickening to me, but I could understand why someone could find a thrill in it. Killing, especially killing intimately is not an easy thing to do.

As a survivor of childhood abuse who finds himself still finding ways it changed me, I appreciate your responses here. Strangely enough, once I discovered that my abuser had died, I found I felt more free to be myself (even though the abuse had ended so many decades before).

People who have not experienced early abuse often don't understand how it undermines a victim's basic sense of self and self-worth. Suicide is unfortunately far too common a solution for their pain.

In my own experience, a common way not to become an abuser oneself is to keep those feelings directed inward instead of "infecting" another. The problem with this half-way measure is that the abuser lives within the victim's brain long after the abuse has ended. Another reason many eventually end their lives.

Thank you.

Yes, mine was nowhere near the systematic abuse some unfortunate people have had to live with. My heart goes out to those who have suffered like the kids in the story.

It's not always about you.

I would venture to say that that was more about acknowledging those of us who have lived through this sort of stuff, acknowledging our experiences, not yours. Perhaps helping those who haven't to understand a little of what it is like.

Sure, _13_ could write a story where, once he begins to awaken to what's happening, the victim transforms instantly like the Grinch and deals with his abuser like an action hero. To do so might be a fantasy from some survivors, but to many survivors, it would be a reminder of how powerless they have felt since their abuse. Showing that it is a process, potentially a winnable process is a much harder story to write.

We could be bad with some and good with others ...
Why do you hate on different babes all of a sudden?
Would you not want to develop some bonds with differetn people
and learn from that experience? For MC”s sake, of course.

 

[narnif]

Yeah, that asset is pretty popular with developers having gamer or hacker characters. I can't help but think it doesn't look durable enough for him. It wouldn't take much for him to break it.

I once snapped a rat's neck to provide food for a skittish snake. The feeling of it's life falling away was sickening to me, but I could understand why someone could find a thrill in it. Killing, especially killing intimately is not an easy thing to do.

As a survivor of childhood abuse who finds himself still finding ways it changed me, I appreciate your responses here. Strangely enough, once I discovered that my abuser had died, I found I felt more free to be myself (even though the abuse had ended so many decades before).

People who have not experienced early abuse often don't understand how it undermines a victim's basic sense of self and self-worth. Suicide is unfortunately far too common a solution for their pain.

In my own experience, a common way not to become an abuser oneself is to keep those feelings directed inward instead of "infecting" another. The problem with this half-way measure is that the abuser lives within the victim's brain long after the abuse has ended. Another reason many eventually end their lives.

Thank you.

Yes, mine was nowhere near the systematic abuse some unfortunate people have had to live with. My heart goes out to those who have suffered like the kids in the story.

It's not always about you.

I would venture to say that that was more about acknowledging those of us who have lived through this sort of stuff, acknowledging our experiences, not yours. Perhaps helping those who haven't to understand a little of what it is like.

Sure, _13_ could write a story where, once he begins to awaken to what's happening, the victim transforms instantly like the Grinch and deals with his abuser like an action hero. To do so might be a fantasy from some survivors, but to many survivors, it would be a reminder of how powerless they have felt since their abuse. Showing that it is a process, potentially a winnable process is a much harder story to write.

But there's already a narrative that makes most of this a moot point. This MC is given the gift of not remembering any details of the abuse that was done to him. Even when informed of what happened, he doesn't seem to have any mental links to those flashbacks we see.

From the perspective we're placed in, all we know is BJ is an abuser who made your mom an addict and uses the girls as indentured servants and voyeur fodder for his website, all while he collects government money. We have to dig just to find out what the MCs involvement is with the whole situation, and even then he's just sad and empathetic towards the girls even more.

Of all the characters involved in this narrative, aside from BJ, MC is given a card to free himself without the majority of crippling drawbacks that could come from this trauma. Which is why it's so damn weird he turns around and becomes the next abuser, regardless of the choices I make to the contrary. I want to help everyone from this powerful position the narrative has given me, because the other characters are written so well that it's really easy to become emotionally invested in their stories.

 

[Max-Payne]

Bug/crash report: When Sam and Lucy get under our pants the game crashes. (0.03)

 

[_13_]

Bug/crash report: When Sam and Lucy get under our pants the game crashes. (0.03)

Are you playing a new game, using a save from chapter 2, or using a save from chapter 1? Which platform are you playing on and are you using the walkthrough mod?

 

[Wetpantsalready]

I love all the 'I'm going to get him out of the house' stuff, just to go in and accept his deal haha

 

[Misosoc]

So no matter what we have to take Big Douche offer? I ran the game multi ways and tried it with a ton of Alpha pts and mix with Beta but always have to take that fucks offer? I really hope as the game goes either we can kill him or get him out if we want.

 

[_13_]

So no matter what we have to take Big Douche offer? I ran the game multi ways and tried it with a ton of Alpha pts and mix with Beta but always have to take that fucks offer? I really hope as the game goes either we can kill him or get him out if we want.

There are three different deal options. No deal (if you didn't have the key and collected no evidence), BJ's deal (if you didn't get all of the evidence and/or didn't use the key to confront BJ), MC's counter (if you collected all evidence and used the key to confront BJ).

To collect all evidence, you need to visit the surveillance room on day 2 and click through the options (you don't need to view all of the camera feeds if you don't want to). Make sure you got the website password.

 

[Misosoc]

There are three different deal options. No deal (if you didn't have the key and collected no evidence), BJ's deal (if you didn't get all of the evidence and/or didn't use the key to confront BJ), MC's counter (if you collected all evidence and used the key to confront BJ).

To collect all evidence, you need to visit the surveillance room on day 2 and click through the options (you don't need to view all of the camera feeds if you don't want to). Make sure you got the website password.

That is where I mucked up, I knocked on the door to confront BJ. I will replay and use my copied key and then confront the guy.

 

[narnif]

That is where I mucked up, I knocked on the door to confront BJ. I will replay and use my copied key and then confront the guy.

You're still his bitch, regardless. He may be out physically, but he's basically still there.

 

[_13_]

do you HAVE to have a relationship with the girls? i'd rather avoid Julia and maria.

There are a few forced kisses with the girls, but only 1 actual forced lewd scene. That one you can stop before completion, if you think the MC should come to his senses before it's too late. There is also a lewd dream at the start of chapter 2, but again, that's a dream and not something which you or the MC can really control. Everything else can be avoided or stopped before it gets too far.

The only girls currently actively trying to start something with the MC are Lucy, Sam, and Elena. Others may be thinking about it, but they aren't actively pursuing him.

 

[Misosoc]

There are a few forced kisses with the girls, but only 1 actual forced lewd scene. That one you can stop before completion, if you think the MC should come to his senses before it's too late. There is also a lewd dream at the start of chapter 2, but again, that's a dream and not something which you or the MC can really control. Everything else can be avoided or stopped before it gets too far.

The only girls currently actively trying to start something with the MC are Lucy, Sam, and Elena. Others may be thinking about it, but they aren't actively pursuing him.

I do hope at some point we can actually be good if we want? Not either have BJ there or away but we are still doing his nasty bidding? What is the alpha or beta pts actually for???

 

[Arcade Kylo Ren]

It looks like a decent amount of content for a 0.03. Makes me want to try it out.

Also, nothing better than NTR to make for an interesting game and thread.