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raj100

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I like the help BJ path. I see it as he is training you to be his successor. Then you get the ability to get new fresh fosters to make part of your harem, after you use up the others.

I do see where people are coming from. No real choices. There should be a help him for real option, and maybe a pretend to help and really undermine him. Like kill him with help of the uncle or something... or turn the tables and get him hooked on drugs and then he is your bitch. Something like that...
 

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I do see where people are coming from. No real choices. There should be a help him for real option, and maybe a pretend to help and really undermine him.
This is the thing, though. You make that deal while he's standing right in front of you. That doesn't necessarily mean you will, or have to follow through. It seems like so many other people are writing the game for me with how they think it will turn out. I think chapter 4 will reveal some things you may not see coming.
 

Joshua Tree

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This is the thing, though. You make that deal while he's standing right in front of you. That doesn't necessarily mean you will, or have to follow through. It seems like so many other people are writing the game for me with how they think it will turn out. I think chapter 4 will reveal some things you may not see coming.
Thing is though. Players can only relate to and judge the content they already consumed. Future content doesn't matter or affect our impression before we actually get to it.
 
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Thing is though. Players can only relate to and judge the content they already consumed. Future content doesn't matter or affect our impression before we actually get to it.
Such is the way with serialized content. It's the same with every in progress game, TV show, movie series, etc. You don't know what's going to happen. While it's still in progress, either stick with it, or don't. You can also wait until it's been completed. It's up to you.

When Lost first came on, it was a great show, but as it went on the story became less interesting and then ended horribly. Do you think having a shitty ending taints the entirety of the series? What about Seinfeld? If everyone judged the series solely based on the horrible season 1, they would miss out on what became one of the best sitcoms of all time.

If you enjoy it, keep playing and see what will happen. If you don't enjoy it, find something you like better. Maybe come back later and see if the outcome is better than you were expecting, or not. The game is almost half done, so you could just wait another 8-10 months and see how it ends.

I don't like giving story spoilers away, so you'll have to decide for yourself whether you want to find out whether the MC becomes a new Big John, he ends the website and saves the family from being exploited, he gets all of the girls to fall in love with him and they all live happily ever after, or something else entirely.
 

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Such is the way with serialized content. It's the same with every in progress game, TV show, movie series, etc. You don't know what's going to happen. While it's still in progress, either stick with it, or don't. You can also wait until it's been completed. It's up to you.

When Lost first came on, it was a great show, but as it went on the story became less interesting and then ended horribly. Do you think having a shitty ending taints the entirety of the series? What about Seinfeld? If everyone judged the series solely based on the horrible season 1, they would miss out on what became one of the best sitcoms of all time.

If you enjoy it, keep playing and see what will happen. If you don't enjoy it, find something you like better. Maybe come back later and see if the outcome is better than you were expecting, or not. The game is almost half done, so you could just wait another 8-10 months and see how it ends.

I don't like giving story spoilers away, so you'll have to decide for yourself whether you want to find out whether the MC becomes a new Big John, he ends the website and saves the family from being exploited, he gets all of the girls to fall in love with him and they all live happily ever after, or something else entirely.
I think you would have done yourself a big fan service ending the update on a cliff hanger giving the player a better impression about what could be next step though. Become the next "pedobear" kinda leave the player with a foul taste.

The issue with Lost was they wanted to milk the series tbh. They kept drag out the series past it's expiration date in regard of content. The series left so many loose ends not even funny.
 

narnif

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Such is the way with serialized content. It's the same with every in progress game, TV show, movie series, etc. You don't know what's going to happen. While it's still in progress, either stick with it, or don't. You can also wait until it's been completed. It's up to you.

When Lost first came on, it was a great show, but as it went on the story became less interesting and then ended horribly. Do you think having a shitty ending taints the entirety of the series? What about Seinfeld? If everyone judged the series solely based on the horrible season 1, they would miss out on what became one of the best sitcoms of all time.

If you enjoy it, keep playing and see what will happen. If you don't enjoy it, find something you like better. Maybe come back later and see if the outcome is better than you were expecting, or not. The game is almost half done, so you could just wait another 8-10 months and see how it ends.

I don't like giving story spoilers away, so you'll have to decide for yourself whether you want to find out whether the MC becomes a new Big John, he ends the website and saves the family from being exploited, he gets all of the girls to fall in love with him and they all live happily ever after, or something else entirely.
The writing is great, and what keeps me coming back to every update. The alpha/beta system feels like it's not really needed, if you want to have choices be the deciding factor in what is and is not available. Points on that kinda system just seems more like a distraction that looks like it's impactful.

Even if you just outright hide it, instead of removing it, may improve the experience overall and keep people from tracking points and focus more on the actual narrative. much easier to hide a system that has been implemented rather than go through it all, again, and pull it out.

This isn't a sitcom, and isn't as outlandishly complex as Lost was. You're not working with episodes, but one continuous narrative from one specific perspective. I'm not making demands, just suggesting a way to go about the big choices. Maybe work in something like internal choices? For example, an inner-monologue choice that could set a flag as to the MC's disposition on the counter offer. Certainly to BJ's face he's going to try and smooth things over, but the follow-up choice can be whether you actually like the offer, or you actually hate it. Choosing the latter would flag and influence one or more future choices, or even fully lock you out from abusing the access you have to using the cameras to watch the girls.

Like I said, not trying to direct your work, just suggesting something that would make the outcomes feel more like player choice, and less like rail-roading and illusion of choice. Currently, from what we have access to, it doesn't feel like any of the choices matter, as regardless of what we choose, it doesn't change what we do after the big decisions are made. Sure, the sex scenes and what's available there changes based on things, but when looking at the deep end of the pool it's not as satisfying.

Hell, the whole reason why it's frustrating with how unsatisfying those story elements are is because you do, really, know how to write a villain. BJ is fucking diabolical, and our resources and situation to deal with him is so rock-bottom, the only reason why any of this is working out in our favor is because the writing gives us a fighting chance. The sexual content is pretty good, but If this were done for a non-adult-only audience (and I guess the actions and premise would need to change to be less XXX) It could stand pretty well on its own. So, yeah, being that it's all from one perspective, you could throw in a bone or two and really utilize all that perspective can offer by shaping the character internally.

Regardless of what you choose, I'll keep coming back, and people (myself included) are going to bitch about things. Just keep a salt-shaker on hand to add to my comments. I don't hate this project; more people should support it, and more people should play this game. It's just really easy to get immersed in what's going on.
 
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I'd be fine with being the abuser, since white knight games bore me to death and the landlady deserves it. But this doesn't do that either. It's stuck in a weird in-between state, with the MC acting (and treated as) a savior, while at the same time he compromises morally with BJ and does creeper shit like sleep molestation. He finds out his landlady was an active participant in fucking up his childhood and yet rushes to help and take care of her. Right before he molests her in her sleep once again, for some...alpha points. Whole game is bi-polar.
EXACTLY!

Take "Big Brother" for example, we know who Max is from the start, it's written right there!
He didn't try to play the hero, his goals are clear: fuck his family and the rest of his morals in the process... and that's ok, it's nice to play the evil guy sometimes (if you know that you are one from the start or have OPTION to become one).

But this MC don't make any sense!
No matter if you go "full nice guy" or "jerk mode" he still tries to be the hero but FUCKS UP in a inhuman level by associating with an abuser... congratulations! Now you can be incriminated too! Isn't awesome?
There're only 2 options here: he is immensely stupid to give a proud criminal "time to think" OR he's worse than BJ and enjoyed the acts more than he lets on.

Bro... We can fuckin hear the MC thoughts all the way but he NEVER, not even once thought about tricking BJ in some kind of revenge way (well, that would be stupid too since MC clearly isn't a undercover agent and willingly cooperating with a criminal is a crime, doesn't matter your motives) and from what i read in this thread there a possibility that the dev will pull some shit like that in the future... and outta nowhere if i may add...

(i know i shouldn't have come back here, but the dammed notifications brought me back, but fear not, now i'm leaving for good... i guess... :unsure:)
 

-CookieMonster666-

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Maria: (after the MC makes up the word "cafrone") You're so white. Why didn't your mother teach you any of this shit? Don't you have any other relatives?

LMFAO. Love it.
 
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Trasher2018

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Ok - you become the abuser but you cant even keep the mom on drugs? ... pff. stupid. Would be the perfect thing when you have a path were you can drug everyone and keep them in line that way.

... boring.
 

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There definitely should be an option where the mom has to let you fuck her in exchange for you keeping up her supply and that would hopefully lead to the MC getting her pregnant
 

tigerdiamond

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WTF! so there's no "normal human being" option?
You have to become a monster's bitch (and a monster by extent)?
Even a "kill the beast and burry it in the backyard" option would e better than this!

I got suspicious when the MC didn't go straight to police and gave B.J. time to "think" (how stupid is that), well, you could say that he was trying to protect the mother from jail (even though she don't deserve it), but then he took a fucking dogtag :cautious: and become an abuser's "partner" (also an abuser by extent)... just like that???

I'm far from a paragon of goodness, but holy shit, that's CLEARLY no a game for me.
Yea, I'm really not a fan of this "Oh we got rid of BJ, but we're still gonna let him get all the money and we're gonna work with him now." shit. If I'm going to be an abuser then where is my option to completely get rid of him (I like your burry him in the yard idea) and ACTUALLY take over. Like, we had BJ by the balls why the fuck would we concede now?

guess this'll just be another one of those games I hold ctrl through just for the scenes.
 
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micojive

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Don't think this games for me. Neither the Alpha or Beta path feels like you are saving the girls in the game, both mc feels like a scum bag. I don't want to keep the site up, I want to fuck up the "dad" put him in his place and rescue the girls. Oh well.
 
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-CookieMonster666-

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we had BJ by the balls
I doubt it. Pretty sure the MC was never in a position of control, despite how much he likes to think so. Big John had years to be ready for this to come out. He doesn't strike me as a stupid man, given he set this whole thing up to begin with and even has the uncle working for him within the police. Just because he's acted like he was cornered doesn't mean anything. Acting like he's in trouble is probably a way to lull the MC (and maybe everyone else) into complacency, lure them into some kind of a trap.

I also find it laughable that people actually think the MC has a chance to "bury him in the yard". The guy is literally equal to three of the MC in size; just one of his arms is bigger than the MC's entire head. The MC has no access to a gun. If BJ ever thought the MC was actually a threat, he could change the code to the surveillance room and stay in there when sleeping. The MC is very much outmatched. The biggest advantage he has is the hubris of BJ. John will probably underestimate the MC at some point, but direct assault and threats are doomed to fail.
 
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I doubt it. Pretty sure the MC was never in a position of control, despite how much he likes to think so. Big John had years to be ready for this to come out. He doesn't strike me as a stupid man, given he set this whole thing up to begin with and even has the uncle working for him within the police. Just because he's acted like he was cornered doesn't mean anything. Acting like he's in trouble is probably a way to lull the MC (and maybe everyone else) into complacency, lure them into some kind of a trap.

I also find it laughable that people actually think the MC has a chance to "bury him in the yard". The guy is literally equal to three of the MC in size; just one of his arms is bigger than the MC's entire head. The MC has no access to a gun. If BJ ever thought the MC was actually a threat, he could change the code to the surveillance room and stay in there when sleeping. The MC is very much outmatched. The biggest advantage he has is the hubris of BJ. John will probably underestimate the MC at some point, but direct assault and threats are doomed to fail.
BJ is a big fish in a small pond, if the MC followed through with going to the feds his only recourse would have been to run. He's a small time operation with a single cop in his payroll not some big time mobster leading a cartel or some shit. And, yes the MC couldn't take him in a straight on fight, but there are so many ways to kill a person without them seeing it coming. Especially if MC wasn't an idiot and didn't warn him like he did with the "leave the house or I'll tell the feds" stuff.
 

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BJ is a big fish in a small pond, if the MC followed through with going to the feds his only recourse would have been to run. He's a small time operation with a single cop in his payroll not some big time mobster leading a cartel or some shit.
Except that he has a damned website of all of the stuff. The feds would've knocked on his door years earlier if he didn't have some kind of connections there as well. The entire time the MC was revealing everything, John didn't look even remotely scared. There's probably a reason for that. I doubt "I was expecting something like this would happen" only means he expected someone in the house to confront him. Again, he's had years to prepare for this confrontation. Thinking that running is "His only recourse" is, frankly, naïf.
Especially if MC wasn't an idiot and didn't warn him like he did with the "leave the house or I'll tell the feds" stuff.
This is precisely the problem. The MC is too inexperienced in this type of thing. Revealing his plan to Big John was only one example of his naïveté. Doing stupid crap like that is a major impediment to getting rid of BJ.
And, yes the MC couldn't take him in a straight on fight, but there are so many ways to kill a person without them seeing it coming.
And how many ways to kill someone do you imagine the MC has ever looked up? And do you really believe BJ has had the camera to the MC's room always off? The MC didn't even find out about the cameras until recently, so anything he thought might have been a private conversation would have easily been revealed to John. So any spoken plans, anything looked up on his computer, etc., is almost certain to have been seen by John ahead of time. BJ doesn't need to be the cleverest of people; he needs only to be clever enough to watch footage and keep his eye on the MC.

I understand putting yourself in the MC's shoes, but you also need to view things from the MC's perspective. Just because you know of "so many ways to kill a person" doesn't mean the MC knows those same ways. The MC has proven himself extremely clueless in dealing with threats, so I highly doubt he would have the level of knowledge you seem to be attributing to him.
 

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True gamer. What a neat setup. MC should get him addicted to Minecraft and the rest of the family won't ever see him again.
And he'll replace the web server with one dedicated to minecraft and their mods. Day saved, problems solved.
 

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Except that he has a damned website of all of the stuff. The feds would've knocked on his door years earlier if he didn't have some kind of connections there as well. The entire time the MC was revealing everything, John didn't look even remotely scared. There's probably a reason for that. I doubt "I was expecting something like this would happen" only means he expected someone in the house to confront him. Again, he's had years to prepare for this confrontation. Thinking that running is "His only recourse" is, frankly, naïf.

This is precisely the problem. The MC is too inexperienced in this type of thing. Revealing his plan to Big John was only one example of his naïveté. Doing stupid crap like that is a major impediment to getting rid of BJ.

And how many ways to kill someone do you imagine the MC has ever looked up? And do you really believe BJ has had the camera to the MC's room always off? The MC didn't even find out about the cameras until recently, so anything he thought might have been a private conversation would have easily been revealed to John. So any spoken plans, anything looked up on his computer, etc., is almost certain to have been seen by John ahead of time. BJ doesn't need to be the cleverest of people; he needs only to be clever enough to watch footage and keep his eye on the MC.

I understand putting yourself in the MC's shoes, but you also need to view things from the MC's perspective. Just because you know of "so many ways to kill a person" doesn't mean the MC knows those same ways. The MC has proven himself extremely clueless in dealing with threats, so I highly doubt he would have the level of knowledge you seem to be attributing to him.
oh honey, you really think it takes a mole in the feds to get a kiddy porn site up without getting arrested. You have a wonderfully sweet view of the world.

like it'd be so easy to poison his food, feed a tube under the door and pump the room full of car exhaust while he slept, if lock to the "secret room" wasn't changed yet you could just go in there while he slept the slit his throat. like, I get you want to defend the dev's writing, but acting like it's hard to kill someone isn't the way.

anyway I won't be replying further to prevent getting yelled at for off topic.
 
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