Ren'Py The Headmaster [v0.15.3.1 Public] [Altos and Herdone]

[Bearded_NoPants]

It has already been stated, there will not be NTR in this game (unless you count girl on girl), the girls will not sleep with any other guys in the game, which would include whoring them out, I would have to presume. The closest thing is the Cassandra events, where she will be trained to serve others as a sexy waitress or something to that effect.

It just depends on how you feel about the girls and what kind of game it is. But even games like Slave Maker, where the whole point of the game is to buy, train, and sell slaves, I could almost never bring myself to sell them off (with one exception).

There are 3 variations that I know of, all using the NTR abbreviation.

Netorare - where the PoV character is getting off on someone else sleeping with their partner.
Netori - Where you get off on sleeping with someone else's partner, with them knowing and/or watching.
Netorase - This is where your partner gets off on you sleeping with someone else.

Personally, I only dislike the first one. Some are trying to use different abbreviations for the other two, but there is no standard... So for now, we have three similar kinks all using the same tag, though when most of us are talking about it, the only one we mean is netorare. That is the only one people tend to have a strong reaction to.

Yeahhhh... That's a no for me on all three counts. No NTR period. And what A&H has planed if ok in my book.

Yeah, I did make clear previously that no other male characters would be touching the girls. That's a whole big minefield I don't particularly want to step into. Other males watching is fine though and that has been happening from the beginning of the game with the camera in the headmasters office. I do plan to have some scenes with other males witnessing punishments/nudity more directly and this was agreed to by my patrons in a recent poll (as long as it wasn't too often and it was relevant to the story).

See that's not NTR to me that just cock teasing. Almost similar to a stripclub... No?

 

[TheDevian]

Yeahhhh... That's a no for me on all three counts. No NTR period. And what A&H has planed if ok in my book.

Really? You don't like fucking some girl in front of her boyfriend? You don't like having a girl who likes it when you fuck other girls? REALLY? That is a problem for you?

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

Really? You don't like fucking some girl in front of her boyfriend? You don't like having a girl who likes it when you fuck other girls? REALLY? That is a problem for you?

I'm not religious BUT "Do unto others..." you feel me? It wouldn't feel right cucking some guy while I fuck his girl, cuss I don't want that done to me. If my girl wants to watch me pound some girl I'll be ok with it if it's because she's recovering after I had my way with her or she plans on jumping in. OR I'm in a Throuple with the two of then then it's even more ok.

 

[TheDevian]

I'm not religious BUT "Do unto others..." you feel me? It wouldn't feel right cucking some guy while I fuck his girl, cuss I don't want that done to me. If my girl wants to watch me pound some girl I'll be ok with it if it's because she's recovering after I had my way with her or she plans on jumping in. OR I'm in a Throuple with the two of then then it's even more ok.

I prefer the other version of the golden rule, don't do to others what you don't want done to you, and I am more into treating others as they deserve. Odds are, if I am doing that, then it was due to them mistreating their girl, and/or worse.

See, there is at least one version you like.

 

[Techn0magier]

I feel you guys.
My problem with NTR starts when people try to label anything else as Netorare which clearly is not. My favourite example is when MC stumbles into his/her parents while they are doing it. I've met a lot of idiots who call that NTR.

 

[Cartageno]

I am all for NTR(Non Traditional Romance) as it pertains to being in control of who the girls sleep with or fool around with and how far they go but I can't stand Netorare.

(Apart from the definition of "NTR" question which is a hotbed on these pages and I will not take part in the fray):

Similar to TheDevian's comment on the difference between porn videos and porn games: If the player really gets to decide who will do what, I am happy with these, options are hardly ever bad per se. However most games which feature elements like this only let the character decide and then you as the player should feel happy because you're cool with it, which just doesn't work for me.

Really? You don't like fucking some girl in front of her boyfriend? You don't like having a girl who likes it when you fuck other girls? REALLY? That is a problem for you?

For the first option: no, I actually had this in quite a few games and it didn't give me added pleasure, mostly the opposite. There may be exceptions (as there are with most kinks you don't like but in certain circumstances you do or the other way round), but yeah, generally not my cup of tea.

 

[Cartageno]

I feel you guys.
My problem with NTR starts when people try to label anything else as Netorare which clearly is not. My favourite example is when MC stumbles into his/her parents while they are doing it. I've met a lot of idiots who call that NTR.

Dunno how that is called, but I know how I call what happens afterward: ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

 

[Techn0magier]

Dunno how that is called, but I know how I call what happens afterward: ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

The question I have now is: Do you run before or after you had to bleach your eyes?

 

[Riujin]

Many people assert themselves with their "lover". "MY" girlfriend, "MY" woman. It express the possession over one thing.
Girl and women are person, not things... And even if they "love you", I don't think it's enough to say that "you possess" them.


Most of the NTR drama come from it: you think that "x" person is yours, so if she decide to "leave you" you go "OH MY GOD! That SON of bitch STEALED my WOMAN"... No he didn't LOL, she just decided to do things by herself. With this, came the second thing: you know, woman and girls have an "intellect", a "brain". They are more than able to "chose" by themselves what they want. If they want to stick with you, they'll just stick with you... If they'll change their mind, they'll chose to do other things.


People are insecure, that's why they try to find a "landmark" in a girl or in a guy... And whey they lose this "landmark" they go in pieces. It doesn't hurt cause NTR is bad, it's hurt cause people are sensible to those kind of things.

Same goes for the Netori stuff: "HEY! See? I'm FUCKING YOUR girl in front of you! See what she say? I'm BETTER than you, I'm STRONGER and more BEAUTIFUL". Same stuff from another prospective

 

[Cartageno]

Many people assert themselves with their "lover". "MY" girlfriend, "MY" woman. It express the possession over one thing.
Girl and women are person, not things... And even if they "love you", I don't think it's enough to say that "you possess" them.


Most of the NTR drama come from it: you think that "x" person is yours, so if she decide to "leave you" you go "OH MY GOD! That SON of bitch STEALED my WOMAN"... No he didn't LOL, she just decided to do things by herself. With this, came the second thing: you know, woman and girls have an "intellect", a "brain". They are more than able to "chose" by themselves what they want. If they want to stick with you, they'll just stick with you... If they'll change their mind, they'll chose to do other things.


People are insecure, that's why they try to find a "landmark" in a girl or in a guy... And whey they lose this "landmark" they go in pieces. It doesn't hurt cause NTR is bad, it's hurt cause people are sensible to those kind of things.

Same goes for the Netori stuff: "HEY! See? I'm FUCKING YOUR girl in front of you! See what she say? I'm BETTER than you, I'm STRONGER and more BEAUTIFUL". Same stuff from another prospective

I tend to disagree somewhat. First linguistically - I also speak of "my hometown" and similar without considering me having possession of it in any meaningful degree. And even in a country like Finland, which doesn't have the same idea of ownership in their language (instead of "I own a car" you say "there is a car near me", which means the same but creates different images) has a strong tradition of jealousy in songs, movies, literature.

And yes, if our significant others move away from us that is normally their choice (in some games on this page it isn't). But maybe I don't want them to make that choice?

Of course you are correct that insecurities will always be a part of it, but I very much doubt that enjoying (any form of) NTR is a more grown up version of dealing with it, nor do I think it is less so. And especially in media it is what you enjoy as a medium - not necessarily what you enjoy in real life. I watch/read/play stuff all the time with content I wouldn't want in my real life.

 

[Riujin]

But maybe I don't want them to make that choice?

Of course you are correct that insecurities will always be a part of it, but I very much doubt that enjoying (any form of) NTR is a more grown up version of dealing with it, nor do I think it is less so.

I never said that "enjoying" NTR is a more "grown up" version of dealing with it, nor I care about "judging" those kind of things.

I like to look at it by the "practical" side of things. People suffer cause they don't know how to handle their emotions and thoughts, so most of the times they simply "react" to the environment and to the events of life without understanding that the emotions that they feel are happening "within" themselves and not out of them.

Anyway, I never wanted to teach or judge anybody. I'm just throwing thoughts and point of views and, as this thread is about a game, I'll stop talking about it cause I don't wanna go out of topic.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

I prefer the other version of the golden rule, don't do to others what you don't want done to you, and I am more into treating others as they deserve. Odds are, if I am doing that, then it was due to them mistreating their girl, and/or worse.

See, there is at least one version you like.

See I agree with that. If someone is being an asshat or terrible then it's open season. Like I find out some guy been Cucking others then you can bet I'm for helping Karma along. I want to get justice for the Cucked. So... I guess NTR in the pursuit of Justice/Revenge/Karma is ok?

I feel you guys.
My problem with NTR starts when people try to label anything else as Netorare which clearly is not. My favourite example is when MC stumbles into his/her parents while they are doing it. I've met a lot of idiots who call that NTR.

WHAT? That's just childhood trauma... Well for some people I guess. I guess it would be NTR if you where in a sexual relationship with one or both parents...

(Apart from the definition of "NTR" question which is a hotbed on these pages and I will not take part in the fray):

Similar to TheDevian's comment on the difference between porn videos and porn games: If the player really gets to decide who will do what, I am happy with these, options are hardly ever bad per se. However most games which feature elements like this only let the character decide and then you as the player should feel happy because you're cool with it, which just doesn't work for me.

For the first option: no, I actually had this in quite a few games and it didn't give me added pleasure, mostly the opposite. There may be exceptions (as there are with most kinks you don't like but in certain circumstances you do or the other way round), but yeah, generally not my cup of tea.

Dunno how that is called, but I know how I call what happens afterward: ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

The question I have now is: Do you run before or after you had to bleach your eyes?

In my case I'd run and jump INTO a vat of bleach...

 

[Havik79]

Oh fuck me, shut up the fucking lot of you, there is no and will be no NTR so stop going on about it for fucks sake.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

Many people assert themselves with their "lover". "MY" girlfriend, "MY" woman. It express the possession over one thing.
Girl and women are person, not things... And even if they "love you", I don't think it's enough to say that "you possess" them.


Most of the NTR drama come from it: you think that "x" person is yours, so if she decide to "leave you" you go "OH MY GOD! That SON of bitch STEALED my WOMAN"... No he didn't LOL, she just decided to do things by herself. With this, came the second thing: you know, woman and girls have an "intellect", a "brain". They are more than able to "chose" by themselves what they want. If they want to stick with you, they'll just stick with you... If they'll change their mind, they'll chose to do other things.


People are insecure, that's why they try to find a "landmark" in a girl or in a guy... And whey they lose this "landmark" they go in pieces. It doesn't hurt cause NTR is bad, it's hurt cause people are sensible to those kind of things.

Same goes for the Netori stuff: "HEY! See? I'm FUCKING YOUR girl in front of you! See what she say? I'm BETTER than you, I'm STRONGER and more BEAUTIFUL". Same stuff from another prospective

Wow ok, First of all WOW! You've obviously not been in a relationship. And you've not understood the underlining theme of the conversation. Second, When "I" call my lover "MY" woman/girlfriend/wife it goes equally the same for her. I'm "HERS" just as much as she's "MINE". As much as you take, you give yourselves to the other. I'm as much a possession as she is mine. That's what's called a open healthy loving trusting relationship.

Most of the NTR drama comes from: Guy/girl being honest, trusting and loving and girl/guy it too ashamed to admit shes/hes getting off on cheating and betraying the pure love being sent her/him way. The issue "I" have with NTR is the betrayal. The betrayed has given themselves wholeheartedly and their TRUST is stolen. When "I" say "MY" girl is stolen I'm talking about my heart and soul because it was given to her. Are there assholes who deserve to get NTRed for the shit they do to the person who loves them? OF COURSE! The question is should bad be returned with bad I.E. NTR. OBVIOUSLY, the answer is no.

OF COURSE people are insecure, especially when where talking about affairs of the heart. And calling love a "landmark" is fucken heartless. NTR is bad BECAUSE people are sensitive to being betrayed and having their hearts and souls crushed by people they opened up to and gave their all too.

In the End if you like NTR it's because you like feeling the despair or you like the feeling of causing the despair... I don't and most on this thread agree.

I tend to disagree somewhat. First linguistically - I also speak of "my hometown" and similar without considering me having possession of it in any meaningful degree. And even in a country like Finland, which doesn't have the same idea of ownership in their language (instead of "I own a car" you say "there is a car near me", which means the same but creates different images) has a strong tradition of jealousy in songs, movies, literature.

And yes, if our significant others move away from us that is normally their choice (in some games on this page it isn't). But maybe I don't want them to make that choice?

Of course you are correct that insecurities will always be a part of it, but I very much doubt that enjoying (any form of) NTR is a more grown up version of dealing with it, nor do I think it is less so. And especially in media it is what you enjoy as a medium - not necessarily what you enjoy in real life. I watch/read/play stuff all the time with content I wouldn't want in my real life.

RIGHT!

DUH!!

Well there's that too...

I never said that "enjoying" NTR is a more "grown up" version of dealing with it, nor I care about "judging" those kind of things.

I like to look at it by the "practical" side of things. People suffer cause they don't know how to handle their emotions and thoughts, so most of the times they simply "react" to the environment and to the events of life without understanding that the emotions that they feel are happening "within" themselves and not out of them.

Anyway, I never wanted to teach or judge anybody. I'm just throwing thoughts and point of views and, as this thread is about a game, I'll stop talking about it cause I don't wanna go out of topic.

YA COULD OF FOOLED ME!!

Well that's obvious most people aren't equipped to handle their emotions and thoughts. But that's only human, most will "react" to emotional pain the same they would with physical pain. It's all in the moment for them. It's easy to give advice viewing it from the outside. But being in that moment is a different matter. You can't be practical when your body is pumping you full of serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and adrenaline. It's easy to deal with it when you calm and collected but try doing that when your in a full blown panic attack. Beside blaming the victim of the betrayal is... something someone who it at fault and won't accept responsibility would say. "Officer it's not my fault I ran a red and hit the pedestrian. It's their fault for not checking"

Sure Sure

 

[TheDevian]

Many people assert themselves with their "lover". "MY" girlfriend, "MY" woman. It express the possession over one thing.
Girl and women are person, not things... And even if they "love you", I don't think it's enough to say that "you possess" them.


Most of the NTR drama come from it: you think that "x" person is yours, so if she decide to "leave you" you go "OH MY GOD! That SON of bitch STEALED my WOMAN"... No he didn't LOL, she just decided to do things by herself. With this, came the second thing: you know, woman and girls have an "intellect", a "brain". They are more than able to "chose" by themselves what they want. If they want to stick with you, they'll just stick with you... If they'll change their mind, they'll chose to do other things.


People are insecure, that's why they try to find a "landmark" in a girl or in a guy... And whey they lose this "landmark" they go in pieces. It doesn't hurt cause NTR is bad, it's hurt cause people are sensible to those kind of things.

Same goes for the Netori stuff: "HEY! See? I'm FUCKING YOUR girl in front of you! See what she say? I'm BETTER than you, I'm STRONGER and more BEAUTIFUL". Same stuff from another prospective

In real life, I am not a jealous person, I hate jealousy in general, and I don't care at all. I completely agree in this case. In games however, they are not people, they are possessions, and I own the copy that I downloaded so they are mine to do with as I please. I can indulge in behavior that I would never even consider with real people, even going so far as to be the bad guy, and this goes for all games, from games like this, to Fallout, or any other. That is the point of games, we can do anything we want, indulge any fantasy from being the hero to the villain.

It's not even really about NTR, the main thing is that it's a game, I am the MC, and I want to be the one doing things ...whatever those things are. Whether it is saving the world, or getting the girls. If I wanted to watch other people doing things, I would watch videos, but I am playing a game, because I want to be an active participant.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

Oh fuck me, shut up the fucking lot of you, there is no and will be no NTR so stop going on about it for fucks sake.

DUDE YOU KNOW WE'RE BORED! The thread was dead for days of course we would jump on this like a pack of starved hyenas

 

[Havik79]

Can't no one come up with anything else to talk about, or better yet go back to the dead thread, better than this NTR shit.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

Can't no one come up with anything else to talk about, or better yet go back to the dead thread, better than this NTR shit.

*cough* we could go back to talking about Exhibition events we'd like to see

 

[Riujin]

Wow ok, First of all WOW! You've obviously not been in a relationship. And you've not understood the underlining theme of the conversation. Second, When "I" call my lover "MY" woman/girlfriend/wife it goes equally the same for her. I'm "HERS" just as much as she's "MINE". As much as you take, you give yourselves to the other. I'm as much a possession as she is mine. That's what's called a open healthy loving trusting relationship.

Most of the NTR drama comes from: Guy/girl being honest, trusting and loving and girl/guy it too ashamed to admit shes/hes getting off on cheating and betraying the pure love being sent her/him way. The issue "I" have with NTR is the betrayal. The betrayed has given themselves wholeheartedly and their TRUST is stolen. When "I" say "MY" girl is stolen I'm talking about my heart and soul because it was given to her. Are there assholes who deserve to get NTRed for the shit they do to the person who loves them? OF COURSE! The question is should bad be returned with bad I.E. NTR. OBVIOUSLY, the answer is no.

OF COURSE people are insecure, especially when where talking about affairs of the heart. And calling love a "landmark" is fucken heartless. NTR is bad BECAUSE people are sensitive to being betrayed and having their hearts and souls crushed by people they opened up to and gave their all too.

In the End if you like NTR it's because you like feeling the despair or you like the feeling of causing the despair... I don't and most on this thread agree.


RIGHT!

DUH!!

Well there's that too...


YA COULD OF FOOLED ME!!

Well that's obvious most people aren't equipped to handle their emotions and thoughts. But that's only human, most will "react" to emotional pain the same they would with physical pain. It's all in the moment for them. It's easy to give advice viewing it from the outside. But being in that moment is a different matter. You can't be practical when your body is pumping you full of serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and adrenaline. It's easy to deal with it when you calm and collected but try doing that when your in a full blown panic attack. Beside blaming the victim of the betrayal is... something someone who it at fault and won't accept responsibility would say. "Officer it's not my fault I ran a red and hit the pedestrian. It's their fault for not checking"

Sure Sure

I'll just cut it down to: I'm don't agree with your opinions, as I do not want to continue the conversation.
Just to put some clarifications on your assumptions, I did have relationships and I did tested first hand the feeling of your "lover" leaving you to go with someone else.

In real life, I am not a jealous person, I hate jealousy in general, and I don't care at all. I completely agree in this case. In games however, they are not people, they are possessions, and I own the copy that I downloaded so they are mine to do with as I please. I can indulge in behavior that I would never even consider with real people, even going so far as to be the bad guy, and this goes for all games, from games like this, to Fallout, or any other. That is the point of games, we can do anything we want, indulge any fantasy from being the hero to the villain.

It's not even really about NTR, the main thing is that it's a game, I am the MC, and I want to be the one doing things ...whatever those things are. Whether it is saving the world, or getting the girls. If I wanted to watch other people doing things, I would watch videos, but I am playing a game, because I want to be an active participant.

I never judged who seek this kind of fantasies, digital or physical, bad or good. Let people do what they want.
I personally indulged myself in digital and mental fantasies way darker than NTR

I'm simply like to see at the practical way of things:
Why do you enjoy some stuff? Emotion and conscious/subconscious mind system.
Why do you suffer from things? Same as above.
Can you grow in both way? Yes you can, you can grow from happiness, you can grow from suffering.

A very simple example? Image liking submission and being an "insecure" and "confuse" person. Imagine growing up from this... Found that inner security and clarity. How much will improve your life? Your very life and maybe the lives of the ones that you love, as you will emanate "security" and start making feel more secure the people around you.

Mine was a simple thought on the whole things, not to judge, just to "express" a thought. I wasn't even talking about the game, that's why I don't wanna go out of topic.

PS: I personally like being "active" myself in my games

 

[AltosandHerdone]

Can't no one come up with anything else to talk about, or better yet go back to the dead thread, better than this NTR shit.

The thread has gone a little off topic. Why don't I leak some of my own Patreon art to get things back on track. Here is Liz taking naughty pictures of herself in the library.

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