VN Ren'Py Abandoned The Manifest: Shadows Over Manston [v2.2] [White Phantom Games]

[Ayhsel]

Yeah, getting out of the hospital after a life threatening injury/illness often comes with a reevaluation of what really matters. If the MC was already planning to give up on Jane it would be good to be able to make that decision instead of just going home to her. Especially if he actually was unhappy or wanted to spend the rest of his life with Jessica.

I realize we are only on chapter/episode three (I have no idea what the plan is for number) but the ability to dissolve the relationship sooner than later would be nice.

I share your point of view, but at the same time there was a reason why I thought that the marriage was a good idea to force MC in the house regardless of his intentions: the sooner you break the couple apart, the more effort it is require, as all the scenes need to be done twice at least, while that is not necessarily the case otherwise. True, is not the same if wife is angry and you are sleeping in the couch than if she is happy and you are sleeping together, but scenes that do not include wife can be left unaltered, like scenes related to Penelope, MC thinking and more. Even those scene that are different could use several renders that are the same with only the happy vs angry renders new. If you give the option to MC to leave early, all that need to be created no matter what.

The more options you give to players that have substantial impact on the story, the harder the curse of dimensionality hits.

Is Tanya still unavoidable? She introduced the two factors I most strongly disliked about the game (MC being a cheating scumbag**, invalidating many of our choices on how to play out his character. And unavoidable blackmail, or the insinuation thereof, which is a huge turn-off).

I get why she hasn't been cut: preggo lovers likely enjoy her ( despite her being a cheating, blackmailing bitch) because she's the one character most strongly catering to that kink. Wouldn't want to take that away from anyone, but an option to skip her would be appreciated.

With the rework being such a chance to fix old mistakes, I was baffled Tanya's intro played out exactly as it did before.

** I mean, he's not exactly a good guy either way, but there's "flawed" and there's "irredeemable gutter trash". IIRC the extended Jessica flashback is avoidable now if you don't visit Jessica in the hospital, which is one of the big "MC is a huge asshole" vectors. The other is Tanya.

So far everytime she tried to kiss my MC you could reject her.

I would not have any problem with her removed as a Love interest, specially when other more interesting characters were removed in my opinion. But I don't think your critique of force cheating rendering the choices of player useless applies here, though. MC could have been reformed, yes, but you can't erase MC's past and he was a piece of crap cheating bastard. It is also hinted that Tanya's child is MC's, but it is clear that was done before the novel started. What you are asking is akin to somebody not liking MC being a police officer and asking that to be removed.

And even if you don't go to the hospital to see the scene, Jessica and MC's past cannot be removed.

 

[tehmasta]

Pretty nice game, worth to keep an eye on.

 

[trumpthatbitch]

The point is he's a hobbyist.

Here, since you are struggling with the concept, allow me to help you on that:

Hobbyist, noun

1. A person who pursues an activity or interest for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation. ex: "His hobbies included making virtual porn and posting it on the interwebs."

Help him offset his costs or not - whatevs. This is a pirate site. Crying and whining about what some guy you don't know does in his spare time at no expense to you is a bit... uh, odd.

I am not "crying" about anything and being a hobbyist (if true) doesn't somehow make you immune from criticism. Since he is on patreon and taking money from people he is as open to constructive criticism as ICSTOR or any other dev.

You seem to be very emotionally invested into defending this dev? Why? He has barely released any content in two years what about this dev makes you want to die on a hill defending him? It's odd like if you have the spare time to respond to every criticism leveled at a dev why not pick someone like PinkCake? Philly Games? Naughty Road? Cheeky Gimp? Mr Jet? Perveteer? Orb Orgin?.

You know one of the good ones.

 

[thanks for the demos]

So far everytime she tried to kiss my MC you could reject her.

Fair enough. So she is NOT avoidable, but you DO have the choice of interacting with her in a positive way (accepting her advances and enjoying your cheat) or being badgered by her (which, as you pointed out, can be refused whenever it comes up, if you accept the consequence of being threatened with blackmail - which apparently hasn't further come into play yet).

Since I didn't take the time to actually make my other point particularly well it's natural we talked past each other there. After taking a deep breath and deleting a truly horrendous multi-page essay on critical reception and the active role of the reader in shaping their experience, especially in the cooperative process that is interactive fiction story-telling - I figured it doesn't really matter As long as the story is overall compelling enough to see past those dampers and turn-offs I'll accept them as part of the (dampened) experience or just mod the script Cheers and thanks for the answer.

 

[Alfius]

What did you think of the Penelope revamp? I thought it was really well done.

My favorite character in the initial builds was Natalia and I'm much less of a fan of her changes and a bit disappointed. Amelia was the only character left (she's super cartoony) who I'd have thought needed modified. It's the risk and reward of a dev learning and changing as he goes I guess. What was your take on that change?

Hopefully Hannah isn't in for a major refresh.

I loved the Penelope revamp...The revelation of Hannah's bush was out of this world.
First time in how many games I played where a petite girl has a proper bush.. that was awesome.
I was prepared for the default petite shaven pussy...so I was pleasantly surprised.

I'm gonna sound like a tool now, but who is Natalie again? (The Cop?)

 

[Ayhsel]

Fair enough. So she is NOT avoidable, but you DO have the choice of interacting with her in a positive way (accepting her advances and enjoying your cheat) or being badgered by her (which, as you pointed out, can be refused whenever it comes up, if you accept the consequence of being threatened with blackmail - which apparently hasn't further come into play yet).

Yes, that seems to be the case, in fact, in the new update she somehow miraculous decides to leave without saying goodbye.

Since I didn't take the time to actually make my other point particularly well it's natural we talked past each other there.

Ehh, well my point was: decisions of the player can only be considered useless if their consequences are created by something that happened after the player is introduced. Everything that happened before is part of the setting of the story. It is NOT variable. It can be anything, MC's past, taste, actions, or anything you want.

After taking a deep breath and deleting a truly horrendous multi-page essay on critical reception and the active role of the reader in shaping their experience, especially in the cooperative process that is interactive fiction story-telling - I figured it doesn't really matter

Hahaha been there, done that!

As long as the story is overall compelling enough to see past those dampers and turn-offs I'll accept them as part of the (dampened) experience or just mod the script Cheers and thanks for the answer.

Absolutely! have a nice day!

 

[FrankFurters]

I am not "crying" about anything and being a hobbyist (if true) doesn't somehow make you immune from criticism. Since he is on patreon and taking money from people he is as open to constructive criticism as ICSTOR or any other dev.

You seem to be very emotionally invested into defending this dev? Why? He has barely released any content in two years what about this dev makes you want to die on a hill defending him? It's odd like if you have the spare time to respond to every criticism leveled at a dev why not pick someone like PinkCake? Philly Games? Naughty Road? Cheeky Gimp? Mr Jet? Perveteer? Orb Orgin?.

You know one of the good ones.

I take it "emotionally invested" has some kind of broad definition and is a pejorative from the comment. Sure, I like the game, followed it from early on and like the dev. He's got two games going and they are getting updated with fair regularity considering it's not his job. If it's not quick enough for you, pull your funding... oh, wait.

$300 a month U.S. isn't even beer money for anyone with a borderline middle class income anyway, so it's unclear why some people on this board get all up in arms demanding 50-80 hours of labor they didn't even pay for in return for the price of (max @ jr level) 6 hours of creative/skilled work, let alone factoring in capital costs.

"Constructive criticism" is the act of helping to improve or promoting further development or advancement. This involves giving actionable advice from a helping mindset. Complaints emanating from narcissism and ignorance are not constructive criticism.

As for spare time, that's pretty rich from someone with 750 posts and the general persona of open mouth-must be bitching.

There is no hill to die on. It's just CG porn and pocket change so enjoy the peanut gallery you apparently thrive in.

 

[Rimmer]

The fiance mentions she is the wife, but I noticed the dev has been made aware of this, i also see that the dev is going to give the option of getting rid of her and that's great, even though she seems to be trying to be a better partner, she just comes off as annoying, especially when she tells you what to do or volunteers you to pick her sister up because she doesn't like long drives, yet you have only just got out of the hospital.......wtf?

 

[FrankFurters]

I loved the Penelope revamp...The revelation of Hannah's bush was out of this world.
First time in how many games I played where a petite girl has a proper bush.. that was awesome.
I was prepared for the default petite shaven pussy...so I was pleasantly surprised.

I'm gonna sound like a tool now, but who is Natalie again? (The Cop?)

Natalia is the brunette daughter of Miss Miller. She's (well, was) kind of near dead ringer for my college freshman girlfriend, so I was probably too partial.

I was surprised by Hannah's bush and you are right, it's unusual for these games. I'm not sure how I feel about how far back to the crack it went, but it was a good scene.

 

[supermanz95]

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Jane sounds sweet mate.

 

[Alfius]

Natalia is the brunette daughter of Miss Miller. She's (well, was) kind of near dead ringer for my college freshman girlfriend, so I was probably too partial.

I was surprised by Hannah's bush and you are right, it's unusual for these games. I'm not sure how I feel about how far back to the crack it went, but it was a good scene.

I was not not even aware she was in the new update.... I went for the blond daughter...And love the lesbian daughter in the abusive relationship. Was hoping to get some action with her.

Mrs Miller has 4 daughters then? The eldest that was passed out in the car With Mercedes, the lesbian and the younger Natalia and the cute blondie?

Loved the hair that went up to the crack. It's a turn on for me visually. (Maybe I'm just so tired of the vanilla shaven pussy)
I RL I prefer a small bit of maintenance around the Labia for better Oral. But in games and porn, I like a nice full bush. The visual effect of a dick plunging into a full bushed pussy is a huge turn on for me. (Hence the Tora games images in my signature. They all have full bushes in there)

 

[Slytherin͏]

There's No Music or Sound in the game....

 

[Mario4don]

Many dialogues in the game are still to be improved because once Jane is a fiancee and once a wife, so it's a strange game, and if someone is playing for the first time and doesn't know about the changes the developer has made during the updates, they may be confused because they don't know who Jane is for MC wife or fiancee.

 

[Frank Rosario]

Update 12/11/2020

Here is the Italian translation of "Shadows over Manston" version "2.2".
This translation is "unofficial" and "made by a fan".

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Ecco la traduzione italiana di "Shadows over Manston" versione "2.2".
Questa traduzione "non è ufficiale" e "fatta da un fan".


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Ecco la traduzione italiana di "Shadows over Manston" versione "Part3v2".
Questa traduzione "non è ufficiale" e "fatta da un fan".

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E se questa traduzione vi piace, non dimenticate di mettere un Like, sempre ben accetto!

 

[FrankFurters]

I was not not even aware she was in the new update.... I went for the blond daughter...And love the lesbian daughter in the abusive relationship. Was hoping to get some action with her.

Mrs Miller has 4 daughters then? The eldest that was passed out in the car With Mercedes, the lesbian and the younger Natalia and the cute blondie?

Loved the hair that went up to the crack. It's a turn on for me visually. (Maybe I'm just so tired of the vanilla shaven pussy)
I RL I prefer a small bit of maintenance around the Labia for better Oral. But in games and porn, I like a nice full bush. The visual effect of a dick plunging into a full bushed pussy is a huge turn on for me. (Hence the Tora games images in my signature. They all have full bushes in there)

I think there are three daughters Alyssa, Chantelle, Natalia and then Jimmy. Now I'm way less sure and I should go through again.

It's a good thing that the development cycle is taking a while for people who like the hairy bush. It likely took some time to grow out from this.

 

[ImperialD]

was there any story added .. i must have missed it

 

[kinghardbest2014]

good game but why not creat sharing route '' with his hot wife & daughter'' It will become more interesting if there is !!
look my hotest idea "" when MC return to his familly He found his wife changed her character towards him ...
and boom he found here meet her boss or someone else ....
i think now it For a few class

 

[Alfius]

I think there are three daughters Alyssa, Chantelle, Natalia and then Jimmy. Now I'm way less sure and I should go through again.

It's a good thing that the development cycle is taking a while for people who like the hairy bush. It likely took some time to grow out from this.


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You are right, so I chose Chantelle, instead of Natalie. So did not realize that was also the lesbian daughter.

 

[R129K]

the66 crash report for v.2

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4202, in <module>
NameError: name 'D3LessonCancelled' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "script.rpyc", line 4202, in script
  File "D:\renpy-7-sdk.new\renpy\ast.py", line 1832, in execute
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2039, in py_eval
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2032, in py_eval_bytecode
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4202, in <module>
NameError: name 'D3LessonCancelled' is not defined

Android "Q" API 29
XIAOMI POCO F1
Ren'Py 7.3.4.596.the66
Shadows over Manston v.2
Thu Jul  2 01:39:42 2020

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4518, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "script.rpyc", line 4518, in script
  File "D:\renpy-7-sdk.new\renpy\ast.py", line 914, in execute
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2008, in py_exec_bytecode
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4518, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

Android "Q" API 29
XIAOMI POCO F1
Ren'Py 7.3.4.596.the66
Shadows over Manston v.2
Thu Jul  2 01:56:08 2020

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4521, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "script.rpyc", line 4521, in script
  File "D:\renpy-7-sdk.new\renpy\ast.py", line 914, in execute
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2008, in py_exec_bytecode
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4521, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

Android "Q" API 29
XIAOMI POCO F1
Ren'Py 7.3.4.596.the66
Shadows over Manston v.2
Thu Jul  2 01:59:32 2020

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4540, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "script.rpyc", line 4540, in script
  File "D:\renpy-7-sdk.new\renpy\ast.py", line 914, in execute
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2008, in py_exec_bytecode
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4540, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

Android "Q" API 29
XIAOMI POCO F1
Ren'Py 7.3.4.596.the66
Shadows over Manston v.2
Thu Jul  2 02:00:18 2020

 

[the66]

the66 crash report for v.2

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4202, in <module>
NameError: name 'D3LessonCancelled' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "script.rpyc", line 4202, in script
  File "D:\renpy-7-sdk.new\renpy\ast.py", line 1832, in execute
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2039, in py_eval
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2032, in py_eval_bytecode
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4202, in <module>
NameError: name 'D3LessonCancelled' is not defined

Android "Q" API 29
XIAOMI POCO F1
Ren'Py 7.3.4.596.the66
Shadows over Manston v.2
Thu Jul  2 01:39:42 2020

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4518, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "script.rpyc", line 4518, in script
  File "D:\renpy-7-sdk.new\renpy\ast.py", line 914, in execute
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2008, in py_exec_bytecode
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4518, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

Android "Q" API 29
XIAOMI POCO F1
Ren'Py 7.3.4.596.the66
Shadows over Manston v.2
Thu Jul  2 01:56:08 2020

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4521, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "script.rpyc", line 4521, in script
  File "D:\renpy-7-sdk.new\renpy\ast.py", line 914, in execute
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2008, in py_exec_bytecode
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4521, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

Android "Q" API 29
XIAOMI POCO F1
Ren'Py 7.3.4.596.the66
Shadows over Manston v.2
Thu Jul  2 01:59:32 2020

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4540, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "script.rpyc", line 4540, in script
  File "D:\renpy-7-sdk.new\renpy\ast.py", line 914, in execute
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2008, in py_exec_bytecode
  File "game/script.rpy", line 4540, in <module>
NameError: name 'ana_points' is not defined

Android "Q" API 29
XIAOMI POCO F1
Ren'Py 7.3.4.596.the66
Shadows over Manston v.2
Thu Jul  2 02:00:18 2020

i find no problems, yet i started a new game.