VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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Dessolos

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Fiona has too little content so far to make it to the top for me, and not just talking about screen-time.... we know basically nothing of her actual background and motivations.
character wise I agree but personality wise ive gotten enough time to see I love her personality. She may not be top 10 for me but she is up there because of her personality.
 
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xapican

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After I made the analogy, I also realized a better analogy would be for her to have an internal domestic security assignment. If the Templars and MC's parents are her "government", than MC is a high risk domestic civilian essentially.

The civilian might not know about the mission, but the government would. And since it's domestic, there's less political implications. The civilian could definitely be pissed though when he learns something like international terrorists were after him without the government telling him.

After the shitshow, she could definitely be made a scapegoat. But personally, I'd blame the dumbass that simultaneously gave her the mission to protect MC but also go to literally other realms at the same time.
Sounds like a standard Holywood plot, there are dozen of films like that,
good example !
And "What HornyyPussy said":ROFLMAO:
 

justin.case

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After I made the analogy, I also realized a better analogy would be for her to have an internal domestic security assignment. If the Templars and MC's parents are her "government", than MC is a high risk domestic civilian essentially.

The civilian might not know about the mission, but the government would. And since it's domestic, there's less political implications. The civilian could definitely be pissed though when he learns something like international terrorists were after him without the government telling him.

After the shitshow, she could definitely be made a scapegoat. But personally, I'd blame the dumbass that simultaneously gave her the mission to protect MC but also go to literally other realms at the same time.
Let's start with the agreeing part, I blame everything that happened on Templars and MC's parents. I blame the way how Kaija handled things but not for general shitshow. There is a thing here though, even after one of the highest member of their order tried to scam MC like a cheap phone scammer, her loyalty did not waiver. Dude clearly was trying to break an ancient rule and other 2 members of the council was not even tried to stop him and remind him the rule. Yet, she stupidly, blindly, religiously following them. I think I have a right to blame her a little bit there.

Now for the analogy, if the government agent gets closed to that civilian then get into a relationship with that person, would you think that civilian ever forgive the agent? No one argues here, at least I don't think anyone would, if she kept her space and did not play with MC's life and protected him from some distance, MC would not be grateful. But that's not what happened.

Though, I now realized you are looking at this from entirely opposite direction of me. You look at Kaija as an agent happens to be with MC and I look at her MC's gf who happens to be an agent.
 
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Btw, at the beginning of the game it says there will never be incest and harem, as logic dictates one of them, incest or harem, is indeed possible. So, can we say we will soon have Jessica path? :unsure:
*sighs*...
Fiona has too little content so far to make it to the top for me, and not just talking about screen-time.... we know basically nothing of her actual background and motivations.
We know she also keeping/hiding shit from us....(funny how for many around here being a redhead gives her a free pass on that shit).

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Down with Stathakaija
Medb FTW!
 

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For me Kaija is pretty and a bit of a badass, but that's about it for the positives. Her personality is .... well I assume she has one beyond being a Templar asset ... probably. However, she has shown that she can't be trusted and that ultimately she will put her job before you (unless your life is in immediate danger). So there's no relationship to be had there. Definitely not Top 10 but there is no one in this game yet who would be a "Top 10 Li across all AVNs for me, at least not at this point. Finn had the potential to be that but sadly ...
 

xapican

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There is a thing here though, even after one of the highest member of their order tried to scam MC like a cheap phone scammer, her loyalty did not waiver. Dude clearly was trying to break an ancient rule and other 2 members of the council was not even tried to stop him and remind him the rule. Yet, she stupidly, blindly, religiously following them. I think I have a right to blame her a little bit there.
sorry can't follow you about what are you talking about the relationship part ? or about Durandal the sword ?
 

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Now for the analogy, if the government agent gets closed to that civilian then get into a relationship with that person, would you think that civilian ever forgive the agent? No one argues here, at least I don't think anyone would, if she kept her space and did not play with MC's life and protected him from some distance, MC would not be grateful. But that's not what happened.
Honestly, depending on circumstances, I'd consider forgiving them. But as we've discussed, IRL what would likely happen is the agent would tell their superior they were emotionally compromised and be reassigned. I think if Kaija told the Templars that, their response would have been "Great! That's what we wanted in the first place."

Though, I now realized you are looking at this from entirely opposite direction of me. You look at Kaija as an agent happens to be with MC and I look at her MC's gf who happens to be an agent.
Sounds like that's the case. I look at it this way because chronologically she was an agent well before starting a romantic relationship with MC, at least on the love path.

I actually do have some work now, so going to have to let this topic go and be productive. :KEK:
 

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sorry can't follow you about what are you talking about the relationship part ? or about Durandal the sword ?
Yeah, the sword thing. She should at least see how incompetent her leaders are, should not she? It's not about her relationship with MC but how mindlessly she is following Templars. Sorry, if it's being confusing.

I think he was talking about Shiftynator and Durendal.
Yes, that is correct.

that's what I mean, she ain't an ordinary girl, and and open and honest conversation could go a long way, the longer she is keeping that shit to herself the less I trust her
She was open about it imo. She said she has her secrets, also those secrets have nothing to do with MC and if/when the time comes she is willing to talk about it. Also, she said all of these at their second on purpose meeting. More than this would be oversharing, not openness.

This should ALWAYS be a staple!
I can do that. ;)
 
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Dessolos

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For me Kaija is pretty and a bit of a badass, but that's about it for the positives. Her personality is .... well I assume she has one beyond being a Templar asset ... probably. However, she has shown that she can't be trusted and that ultimately she will put her job before you (unless your life is in immediate danger). So there's no relationship to be had there. Definitely not Top 10 but there is no one in this game yet who would be a "Top 10 Li across all AVNs for me, at least not at this point. Finn had the potential to be that but sadly ...
the thing for me it is heavily depended on the path. For me I feel she can be trusted on the love path ( which is the only version the lands on my top 10). As I see her on the Love Path as someone that is loyal to the templars but also her loyalty is wavering because now the truth is out in the open, their relationship starts to feel better than ever. Because of the truth being out in the open I think she find it easier to side with the MC more often than not. ( tho that is just how I see things I know there is nothing to back that up really)
 

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I actually do have some work now, so going to have to let this topic go and be productive. :KEK:
Thanks, it was fun. Maybe I should get sleep as is early morning here.

Honestly, depending on circumstances, I'd consider forgiving them. But as we've discussed, IRL what would likely happen is the agent would tell their superior they were emotionally compromised and be reassigned. I think if Kaija told the Templars that, their response would have been "Great! That's what we wanted in the first place."
With real good backstory why Kaija acts this way and if she ever sees the light, I may have forgive her but there is no way I'd ever forgive Templars including parents, they are organized evil people.

Sounds like that's the case. I look at it this way because chronologically she was an agent well before starting a romantic relationship with MC, at least on the love path.
And I do that because regardless of what she was before, we introduced to her from MC's POV.
 
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xapican

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eah, the sword thing. She should at least see how incompetent her leaders are, should not she? It's not about her relationship with MC but how mindlessly she is following Templars. Sorry, if it's being confusing.
Mhmmm, wasn't she the one who tells the MC that the Swords Durandal and the Celtic one belongs to him ? and that there will be arguing in how MC handled the situation with Medb ?
 
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Mhmmm, wasn't she the one who tells the MC that the Swords Durandal and the Celtic one belongs to him ? and that there will be arguing in how MC handled the situation with Medb ?
iirc, she was indeed the one to MC he owns the swords but not at the council. Linnae said he is breaking an ancient rule. My problem was not about who owns the swords though. A council member was clearly trying to scam MC in front of her, other 2 members were staying silent about it, yet first thing she said after the event, they know what they do, after MC asking why they are sending Kaija while she is injured. Not even a slightest thought that may be the Templars wrong too, maybe not everything they do is absolutely the correct thing etc. but nope, same cult member as before.

Edit: Arguing about the deal should be a warning for her too. MC saved their grand master, yet they were greedy enough to ask more and obtuse enough to not understand MC's situation. On top of that, it was not news for Kaija she knew how they would act before, yet she is blindly loyal to them. So, even if we accept Kaija was faultless at initial stage, blindly following them Templars would make her at least partly blameable.
 
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