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It will also be interesting to see what Medb has to say if MC offers to fight for the elves.
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A small part of them sure, all those who are corrupt and ploting No !
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I guess that depends how long ago that ancestry might be, and how competent the Templars have been over those 800 years.
That said, unless the position of Grandmaster is an unbroken hereditary chain going back that far (I can't remember if that's the case or not), tracing lineages that far into the past can be quite difficult. People with European ancestry can really only realistically expect to trace back to around 1500-1700 unless they're royalty (and even then, usually not much farther). If you're directly related to Charlemagne or Japanese emperors you can maybe get back to 700 AD.
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But apparently there are only a few hundred of them worldwide. If you have a small organization that has had decades of incompetent or corrupt leadership and a small army of brainwashed drones, how good can they be? What is the value of that organization?A small part of them sure, all those who are corrupt and ploting No !
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I'd like that Ceolag auto records himself reading this thread
I bet he is like ...
I bet he is like ...
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but what about 800 years before that? She could have fucked a leprechaun then?
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Yup. My money's on an alliance between Dark Elves and Hellspawn. Would easily explain the mysterious cloaked Hellspawn assassins with magic blades, and third party targeting both Templars and Elves.
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I'm reserving judgement until Fiona tells us a bit more....
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I don't think so. I think MC is a Dark Elf, or at least part .. that's why the elves and the Valkyrie are so confused. No one has heard from the dark elves for centuries.
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I don't think Dark but definitely an elf. That might be why Mebd will be a LI.
That's an interesting idea I hadn't considered about being a Dark Elf, or at least related. Doesn't necessarily mean the Dark Elves aren't also manipulating things behind the scenes though.
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Possibly but if I remember right, MC asked one of the elves if dark elves were the bad ones and they said something like 'no, they're the good ones' - which would make it odd if they're working with hellspawn.
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They could have changed they did disappear. There is possibly a bigger story. Remember each race believed they created that sword so it's possible the story is not fact. Something we will have to wait for.
I didn't quite remember this dialogue, so looked it up. While close, the actual lines are:
So she doesn't say they're good, just takes a dig at the Templars/humans. Since they haven't been seen or heard from in millennia, I suspect they're just taken as neutral or a non-issue. Or Medb is keeping information concealed from MC still at this point.
Indeed. There's also a pretty common fantasy trope of long-isolated races becoming twisted over time. It'll be interesting to see if that's the case here, or something of that nature.
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I have been talking about Kaija with a good friend I recently converted to Neverwhere. He was an ex-operative and disgreed that Kaija should have come clean earlier. Having been ex-military myself and worked for the government where secrets were concerned. I do concede and see the point re-Kaija and her work secrets. I agree with Mav who pointed out Steph in LOF was tied up with her job, and its a very tough situation. Hence why Steph was redeemed later in the story.
Here is the but, the Templar leadership wanted Kaija to get close to the MC. To Kaijas credit she said no she wouldn't do that. The MC's father went in to bat for her over the issue. After that was cleared up, Kaija was to persue her FRIENDSHIP with the MC. That was her orders.
Kaija didn't do that, She started a relationship anyway and then went the next step and moved in with him. Kaija decided to deceive the MC by becoming involved with the MC despite her orders not too. On all the paths she did this because it was, quote, easier. On the love path she falls in love with him later, but it doesn't matter. It's an asshole act by anyone, as Mav said, male or female. Even if the MC was gay and Kaija was a dude, its still a fucked up thing to deliberately do to someone. It has nothing to do with keeping secrets because of her job, she deliberately started that relationship and jumped in to bed with him to make it easy on herself with no thought of consequences for the MC. She did it contrary to her orders, because that issue was specifically dealt with at Council level. I wouldn't want her as a friend, let alone a life partner/wife in RL or a fantasy situation. Of course, the Templar council weren't going to complain because they wanted her to do that in the first place. That doesn't excuse Kaija.
I hope Kaija is redeemed, but I can't see a path to it, but Ceo has a pretty devious mind, so you never know in Neverwhere.
I think the parents are worse. That let their son get involved with a woman they know didn't love him (On all paths). How can you do that to your child. They should have intervened, removed Kaija and appointed someone else to watch over him. On the love path, just because she came to love him later, does not excuse them.
PS I love you too Mav
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I still think they're going to become important as a faction, but I don't think they've allied with the hellspawn or anything - no real reason to believe that - but I think that MC is one, or part of one and I think that's going to be important to their return (lost prince maybe? something like that?)
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I'm just hoping to to put MC's parents and Kaija in a position where it doesn't matter if they "redeem themselves" or not. I'm hoping to bring down the Templars - permanently, and entirely. If they want to redeem themselves while I do that, that'd be cool - but I'm not planning for it. Other than that I just hope they stay out of the way. I'd rather not kill them (unless they were involved in Finns death - in which case I will bronze their skull and send it to Finn's father as a momento.)
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Well, the parents want to protect their kids. So they are perfectly fine with their top tier upcoming operative being the protector of their kid, regardless of what it actually means for MC.
To them Kaija did nothing wrong since in their minds the vote for forced relationship has failed, so whatever happened between Kaija and MC will be considered as "natural" by parents.
Do we know under whom did she actually serve? Since it may have been someone who voted or even pushed for the forced relationship, trying to use the council vote to strengthen Kaija's forced relationship. And being a word lawyer, the Council voted that she doesn't need to do it, not that she shouldn't or couldn't......
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The honorable Wolfram has raised two good points.
1. Sure Kaija and the parents may have protected their son, but that protection was only on a physical level. They certainly didn't protect him emotionally by letting Kaija get close to their son and entering a serious relationship even though she didn't love him. They were living together, its a pretty serious step for a couple, well should have been except it was a deception. They didn't protect his emotional state by lying to him as an adult (or as a child IMO).
2. I concede to your word soup point in that she may have obeyed the letter of the law, but she certainly didn't obey the spirit of the law. Jumping in to that relationship was only going to end one way for the MC emotionally.