VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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TrixRabbit

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Ah, you're just taking the Alfar word for it that they killed Finn, that's the issue right there. They have NO reason to not lie to you about that. Your bias is showing.
Yes, I believe Medb. I'll take her word for it. The templars have zero credibility. Because I also think MC's magical powers show that at least one of the two people who raised him is not his parent. And they're still lying about Kajia. She wasn't there to protect MC. If she were, she wouldn't have been gone so often. She was there to spy on him, not protect him. Also, they didn't keep him in the dark for his protection or so he could have a happy life. Keeping him in the dark made him vulnerable - not safe and his whole life - his job, his girlfriend all of it was their creation. So yes, I believe Medb. I don't care that "my bias is showing". I've been telling you exactly what my bias is the whole time. I'm not interested in fairness or justice anymore. I'm interested in Templar heads on poles.
 

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all I recall Finn is dead and they are going to war no proof or mention of who killed her.
One of the first things Medb says to MC is that Finn was murdered by the Templars and she says it flat out - not that it's a rumor, or we suspect, or some people think - just straight out, that she was murdered by the Templars.
 
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Yes, I believe Medb. I'll take her word for it. The templars have zero credibility. Because I also think MC's magical powers show that at least one of the two people who raised him is not his parent. And they're still lying about Kajia. She wasn't there to protect MC. If she were, she wouldn't have been gone so often. She was there to spy on him, not protect him. Also, they didn't keep him in the dark for his protection or so he could have a happy life. Keeping him in the dark made him vulnerable - not safe and his whole life - his job, his girlfriend all of it was their creation. So yes, I believe Medb. I don't care that "my bias is showing". I've been telling you exactly what my bias is the whole time. I'm not interested in fairness or justice anymore. I'm interested in Templar heads on poles.
My issue with this is I don't recall Medb saying anything more than Finn died and they are going to war. We can assume it was the templars but it's wait and see for me even tho I do trust Medb more than the Templars.

Edit : posted right before your reply lol

I'm not interested in fairness or justice anymore. I'm interested in Templar heads on poles.
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One of the first things Medb says to MC is that Finn was murdered by the Templars and she says it flat out - not that it's a rumor, or we suspect, or some people think - just straight out, that she was murdered by the Templars.
That depends entirely on your Medb LP.

Dude...seriously, anyone in this thread will tell you how passionate I am..but honestly....take a deep breath....
 
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TrixRabbit

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My issue with this is I don't recall Medb saying anything more than Finn died and they are going to war. We can assume it was the templars but it's wait and see for me even tho I do trust Medb more than the Templars.

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Too late. I said days ago, in a similar argument that I was ready to go full Annakin Skywalker on the Templars. I've said that I'm ready to unite the Neverwhere Cartels and the Hellspawn to help bring the Templars down and I've also said that if Ceo didn't want us to go back ready to attack every Templar on site, that he went too far by having them kill Finn. I'm fine with the Sith approach here.
 

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One of the first things Medb says to MC is that Finn was murdered by the Templars and she says it flat out - not that it's a rumor, or we suspect, or some people think - just straight out, that she was murdered by the Templars.
She has literally no reason to tell you the truth, so I don't know why you would believe her outright except for your bias. She also believed that HELLSPAWN are being used by TEMPLARS. That should tell you everything you need to know about her judgment.

Your blind rage is making you see what you want to see.

Too late. I said days ago, in a similar argument that I was ready to go full Annakin Skywalker on the Templars. I've said that I'm ready to unite the Neverwhere Cartels and the Hellspawn to help bring the Templars down and I've also said that if Ceo didn't want us to go back ready to attack every Templar on site, that he went too far by having them kill Finn. I'm fine with the Sith approach here.
In other words, you just want excuses to be a psychopath, got it.
 
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One of the first things Medb says to MC is that Finn was murdered by the Templars and she says it flat out - not that it's a rumor, or we suspect, or some people think - just straight out, that she was murdered by the Templars.
If you go the other path the MC kills Finn, so what does that mean for your revenge?
 

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not gonna lie I killed Fin just to see the scene then reloaded I didn't have in me to see the rest always meant to go back to see what happens but never did
 

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I said to someone on a Discord server awhile back that this game is either going to be a textbook example of how to do a multi-path game or a textbook example of biting off more than you can chew as a Dev because if you are loyal to Kajia and didn't burn bridges with your parents there should be almost zero overlap between the next chapter for me and the next chapter for you. Unless it's a work related thing, or maybe a meeting with Fiona but even then the dialogue should be different.
 

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I'm not ignoring reality. I'm responding to it. At least I'm not one of the people who's like "I mean, I know Kajia lied to me constantly about everything since the day I met her, but she has such a nice ass that I don't care."
Nice strawman, let's see how far it takes you.
 

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Nice strawman, let's see how far it takes you.
First, I'm not looking for it to take me anywhere. Second, it's not really a strawman. Kajia's looks are really her only redeeming feature. She has been completely dishonest with MC about absolutely everything - who she is, who he is, who his parents are, who she works for ... for as long as they've known each other and now people are all "well, she says she's sorry and I'll bet she'll never lie to me again now because she pouted and stuff". And people think I'm gullible for believing Medb who ... hasn't always been 100% honest, she hasn't said stuff that she could have but as far as I can tell neither she nor any of the elves have straight up lied about anything so far. If you didn't kill Finn, you just spent 7 weeks (7 days in the human world) being trained by the elves (including their king) and they answered almost every question - about themselves, about history, about Templars, about magic and weapons and other magical beings. There were a few things where they said "I'm sorry, but that is a secret and I can't tell you." but not one lie. You even got to learn all about your sword, it's origins, powers and history. And this is from people who were complete strangers to MC.
 
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I think Killing most of them is still too extreme I get you hate them with a passion. Only one id kill is the bald guy and id consider the rest of the leadership so they don't start an uprising over the new leadership. But id probably let the rest live as they haven't proven to me as far as I can recall needing to be dealt with like the bald guy.
Personally, I see no reason to kill ANY of them, and I hate them all with burning passion.
Trust? Wouldn't trust a single Templar ever.

Family shows best how much a Templar can be trusted. They're all either brainwashed or so stuck in their self-righteousness they can't see how utterly fucking broken their order is.

But for all their fault, and there are more than few, as much as I'd like to burn whole order to the ground, there is no reason whatsoever to kill any of them.
Cruel, evil, twisted they may be, MC is NOT executioner. He is just your everyday person (so far) whose life got turned upside down because of fucked up family valuing everything over their son.

Going on killing path is wrong, on so many levels. Spitting in someone face, or beating few up, yes, sure. Killing? Why? Just because they're cunts? Hardly reason to kill someone.

Neverwhere, Alfar and Templars deserve each others. Let them all burn for all I care.

Pardon the profanities, hard to express level of hatred I feel towards them without a few.

EDIT: That's all assuming events so far.
Should Templars/Alfar/3rd party, still interfere with MCs life once he's out, then anyone's a fair game. Out of my life, or lose a life.
(frequent setup in books: secretly OP protagonists live quiet, secluded life, until evil guys come for him, for some stupid reason...)
 

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Personally, I see no reason to kill ANY of them, and I hate them all with burning passion.
Trust? Wouldn't trust a single Templar ever.

Family shows best how much a Templar can be trusted. They're all either brainwashed or so stuck in their self-righteousness they can't see how utterly fucking broken their order is.

But for all their fault, and there are more than few, as much as I'd like to burn whole order to the ground, there is no reason whatsoever to kill any of them.
Cruel, evil, twisted they may be, MC is NOT executioner. He is just your everyday person (so far) whose life got turned upside down because of fucked up family valuing everything over their son.

Going on killing path is wrong, on so many levels. Spitting in someone face, or beating few up, yes, sure. Killing? Why? Just because they're cunts? Hardly reason to kill someone.
I did the Finnabar path, where she became my favorite Li in the game so far. The first relationship that my parents/the Templars didn't have control over - and the Templars killed her. That's why. After everything else, I walked away found someone that they didn't choose/control and they killed her.
 
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