VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0] [Ceolag]

[ename144]

honestly, she can diss the templars training. she is several times older than the oldest templar. she has several times more experience. and is most likely several times better.
the Alfar best sword teacher is older than the human's whole current civilization... Oberon has seen Jesus and Cesar xD

Finnabair may be far older than the Templars, but she's certainly not more mature. Youth apparently transcends mere age.

she probably let the duel happen because she values MC's skills and "destiny", I think. he managed to convince Ailill and Finnabair (her ex and her daughter... so she knows them well enough to understand it's no small feat) to be escorted to the middle of Alfar's home. He managed to beat Finnabair in a surprise attack before. He managed to save her from the cloaked Damas. He managed to survive her black out. He managed to resist the succubus completely. He was escorted by Fiona during the life debt exchange, even the Queen was wary of her. He managed to impress the Queen. He managed to survive the mercenary attack. He is the son of the Grand Master even if he constantly protest (it means his upbringing is not normal even if he didn't realize it), and most importantly, he carries Durendal and she knew a lot about its powers and it has a special meaning for her.
and He did all that in less than a week.

she knew he wouldn't die, so she wanted to test him and his resolve for peace. she is also very old and respects the traditions, her position also makes it so she MUST uphold them.

I *highly* doubt that. If Medb expected the MC to win then she also expected her daughter to die, because she makes it crystal clear that she did not expect the MC to spare Finnabair's life if he won the duel. That seems too cold even for Medb. Traditions or not, I think Medb would have found a way to prevent the duel if she thought the MC was certain to win it.

Also, while Durendal itself seems to be well known to the Alfar, its specific powers and history are clearly not. Otherwise Finnabair wouldn't have been nearly as confused by the MC's inconsistent swordsmanship or Nimue's revelation.

the third party is probably to blame for the war. maybe young Alfar that cultivates hate for humans, and powerful humans from neverwhere that want to expand their business to Earth and to Alfheimr to get more powerful and live longer. both manipulated and pushed by powerful Hellspawns, and maybe some old gods, that just enjoy the chaos.

Yes, there's definitely a third party out there stirring up trouble, but they can't make something from nothing. If the Templars and Alfar never encountered each other, no amount of shitposting on whatever passes for elven Twitter is going to start an actual shooting war on its own. There has to be something real at stake, we just don't know what it is yet.

 

[Maviarab]

I believe that Orla is a guardian from Fiona's world

A guardian of what exactly do you think? Sure as hell not of Fiona.

 

[Raziel_8]

I have to wonder if the MC's interactions with Fiona, and her guidance in her dance studio to close his eyes and try to sense the world around him, did not open up a latent ability that he had.

Perhaps Fiona could 'see' or sense it or perhaps it is a byproduct of their connection.

I think that even Fiona was surprised when Orla allowed the MC to pet her versus taking his arm off.

I believe that Orla is a guardian from Fiona's world and that she has senses and abilities that go far beyond those of an Earth dog.

If the MC/Fiona interactions (perhaps even going as far back as the point where Fiona almost ran over the MC when they first met) are the catalyst for the MC's emerging ability(s), it would help explain the difference between the MC and his sister Jessica.

Spoiler: Jessica Unawakened potential...

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The MC has an awakened intuition/gut sense that is developing and helping him to 'see' with more than 5 senses.

Jessica currently has shown no preternatural/magical abilities, and she has had no interactions with Fiona.

I think the time is coming where the MC will introduce Jessica to Fiona and I'm curious if there is a path where Jessica's potential starts to be realized.

Cheers!!

You can avoid Fiona for the most part including the dance studio and never meet Orla.
So that seems really unlikely, neither do i think Fiona can gift or awaken abilities with a meeting and a short talk.

It could just as well his meeting with the succubus which awakend his latent powers, or just because he needed them.
As for the difference between the siblings who knows, unlikely they have the same abilities, so there can simply different triggers for the abilities to show.

I really doubt Orla is a guardian of Fiona, more like her pet, even if Orla is more than just a normal dog.

If you are not on Fiona's path, and neither have high points there really is no reason why the MC would bring his sister to meet her, like he had only a short talk with her in the park. Also if Jess abilities are magic related she probably just needs training.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I doubt that the MC's abilities derive from Fiona considering that he gives his best performance in combat when he is with Kaija

 

[ModiThorrson]

I have to wonder if the MC's interactions with Fiona, and her guidance in her dance studio to close his eyes and try to sense the world around him, did not open up a latent ability that he had.

Perhaps Fiona could 'see' or sense it or perhaps it is a byproduct of their connection.

I think that even Fiona was surprised when Orla allowed the MC to pet her versus taking his arm off.

I believe that Orla is a guardian from Fiona's world and that she has senses and abilities that go far beyond those of an Earth dog.

If the MC/Fiona interactions (perhaps even going as far back as the point where Fiona almost ran over the MC when they first met) are the catalyst for the MC's emerging ability(s), it would help explain the difference between the MC and his sister Jessica.

Spoiler: Jessica Unawakened potential...

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The MC has an awakened intuition/gut sense that is developing and helping him to 'see' with more than 5 senses.

Jessica currently has shown no preternatural/magical abilities, and she has had no interactions with Fiona.

I think the time is coming where the MC will introduce Jessica to Fiona and I'm curious if there is a path where Jessica's potential starts to be realized.

Cheers!!

I knoew Ceolag said there was going to be a book 2 eventually with a new mc, I would bet that jessica is either going to be the mc or an LI in book 2.

 

[metamorphMP]

I knoew Ceolag said there was going to be a book 2 eventually with a new mc, I would bet that jessica is either going to be the mc or an LI in book 2.

If jessica survives and won't get killed during book1 as well then sure

Unless Ceolag already stated otherwise about her fate of course.

 

[Maviarab]

I knoew Ceolag said there was going to be a book 2 eventually with a new mc, I would bet that jessica is either going to be the mc or an LI in book 2.

If jessica survives and won't get killed during book1 as well then sure

Unless Ceolag already stated otherwise about her fate of course.

Moni can correct me but I believe he is actually focusing on other worlds with the focus still being on humans. I wouldn't count on it.

She just your sister....in this part of the universe, get over it already.

 

[metamorphMP]

She just your sister....in this part of the universe, get over it already.

hmm, if this part is for me - then I have no problems with it at all and never had, I was mostly implying Finn's unfortunate/unexpected fate and that nobody is invincible in this game anymore

I have no problems with Jess being a sis, in fact, it's quite a breath of fresh air when our sister is actually our sister, scenes with her were sweet, well except last convo, she kinda pissed me off a bit with fully taking parents side

 

[ModiThorrson]

Moni can correct me but I believe he is actually focusing on other worlds with the focus still being on humans. I wouldn't count on it.

She just your sister....in this part of the universe, get over it already.

I think the wasted potential comment from mab and the fact that ceolag made her so attractive are strong indicators that there is a lot more to develop with her character, and since incest content isn't planned afaik it would make sense for her to be important in the next book, likely after her combat training that she talked about with the mother. Though I suppose she could become relevant in the first book depending on the timeline, but it feels like things are moving too fast for her to get combat ready in time to be really important to book one.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

You can avoid Fiona for the most part including the dance studio and never meet Orla.
So that seems really unlikely, neither do i think Fiona can gift or awaken abilities with a meeting and a short talk.

It could just as well his meeting with the succubus which awakend his latent powers, or just because he needed them.
As for the difference between the siblings who knows, unlikely they have the same abilities, so there can simply different triggers for the abilities to show.

I really doubt Orla is a guardian of Fiona, more like her pet, even if Orla is more than just a normal dog.

If you are not on Fiona's path, and neither have high points there really is no reason why the MC would bring his sister to meet her, like he had only a short talk with her in the park. Also if Jess abilities are magic related she probably just needs training.

I agree my theory is out there.

We need more of the story to understand Mab when she looks into the MC and says:

"I understand now."

What exactly does she understand?


As to the MC's abilities, I am looking for a reason for this ability/these abilities to have started to manifest versus

Spoiler: It's a Miracle

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I trust Ceolag to be a better storyteller than the above.

Now, we have to wait for more breadcrumbs in future chapters, which is admittedly hard!

Cheers!!

 

[Maviarab]

I think the wasted potential comment from mab and the fact that ceolag made her so attractive are strong indicators that there is a lot more to develop with her character, and since incest content isn't planned afaik it would make sense for her to be important in the next book, likely after her combat training that she talked about with the mother. Though I suppose she could become relevant in the first book depending on the timeline, but it feels like things are moving too fast for her to get combat ready in time to be really important to book one.

Makes sense in your head maybe....also what has being attractive got to do with anything? You're projecting.

You know what wouldn't make sense? For Ceo to suddenly go with a FMC for a book...when he has attracted an MC crowd for the first story. The two attract very different players. On that, maybe Mab said she had wasted potential because she has none at all?

Also, different world most likely, why would even this MC even be relevant in the story, let alone our sister? Whatever happens somewhere (as all his books will be connected) that will imply a cannon. So she is the MC sister, that does not indicate anything, nor should it. Again, you're projecting what you want, not what is likely, not what may make sense and not what may happen in the future. It's entirely possible (because she is just your sister after all and nothing more, and there is no afaik by the way, there will never be incest, it isn't a thought, it's a fact) that if you burn bridges that she sides with mom and dad and we never see her again.

Now that is more likely than anything you have 'suggested' because right now, she is an unimportant and irrelevant character (in reality).

 

[ModiThorrson]

You know what wouldn't make sense? For Ceo to suddenly go with a FMC for a book...when he has attracted an MC crowd for the first story. The two attract very different players. On that, maybe Mab said she had wasted potential because she has none at all?

I didn't say her being the mc of book 2 was likely, but as I am not ceolag, I can't know what he has planned, but that doesn't dismiss the possibility.
As for wasted potential meaning no potential, that doesn't make any sense to me. How can you waste your potential if you have none?

Also, different world most likely, why would even this MC even be relevant in the story, let alone our sister? Whatever happens somewhere (as all his books will be connected) that will imply a cannon.

I'm not sure what you mean by different world, so far we've seen 3, maybe 4 if you count the templar pocket dimension. Aren't you contradicting yourself when you say why would MC be relevant to the story but then say all the books are connected?

So she is the MC sister, that does not indicate anything, nor should it. Again, you're projecting what you want, not what is likely, not what may make sense and not what may happen in the future.

I never said her being the sister meant qanything in itself, I was implying that ceolag seemed to make an interesting and attrctive character then teased potential character growth. Did I say that everything I said was a certainty? Just a likely possibility in my opinion.

It's entirely possible (because she is just your sister after all and nothing more, and there is no afaik by the way, there will never be incest, it isn't a thought, it's a fact) that if you burn bridges that she sides with mom and dad and we never see her again.

That's super, just in case you didn't know AFAIK is an acronym that means "as far as I know" meaning exactly what it says, I wasn't certain but fairly sure that there wouldn't be that type of content. So your unnecessarily aggressive recap wasn't needed. I agree that it's possible you could burn bridges and never talk to them again, but it's just as likely that those bridges will eventually repaired.

 

[Maviarab]

'm not sure what you mean by different world, so far we've seen 3, maybe 4 if you count the templar pocket dimension.

Going to ignore the rest of your waffle when you state something such as this. I suggest looking at the L&L thread, second post and maybe brush up your knowledge a little.

Have a good day.

 

[ModiThorrson]

Going to ignore the rest of your waffle when you state something such as this. I suggest looking at the L&L thread, second post and maybe brush up your knowledge a little.

Have a good day.

you're adorable.

 

[Canto Forte]

Here we are again ... at the precipice of something great ... twarted by our misconceptions of the game world.

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MC has uncovered not one, not two but a total of three all powerful relics that Nimue is spreading roumors of incessantly.
MC has the total support of a sword that Alfar had no idea about for ability or for scope of such a weappon.
The fact Nimue just told the stuck up know it alls -Alfar-smug knuckleheads about what that sword is and where it actually comes from and what it is supposed to be - a tool for a man (not elf, not god, not hellspawn) - speaks volumes of the synergy of a magic Holy Grail in the right hands of someone who was meant to compliment and be complimented by such artefact.

 

[Malicre]

 

[Dessolos]

I knoew Ceolag said there was going to be a book 2 eventually with a new mc, I would bet that jessica is either going to be the mc or an LI in book 2.

Depending on what happens by the end of Book 1, I'm hoping for a Elf MC and if the Elf's and Templars aren't at war would love Jessica to be a LI. But I agree it makes sense for her to be a LI for a different MC or at the very least a side character.

 

[ModiThorrson]

Depending on what happens by the end of Book 1, I'm hoping for a Elf MC and if the Elf's and Templars aren't at war would love Jessica to be a LI. But I agree it makes sense for her to be a LI for a different MC or at the very least a side character.

I think an elf MC could be pretty interesting, I'm really enjoying the story so far it has a lot of potential.

 

[Tremonia]

Moni can correct me but I believe he is actually focusing on other worlds with the focus still being on humans. I wouldn't count on it.

As far as I know you're right.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

One of the things I enjoy about The Neverwhere Tales is how Ceolag tells the story using body language as well as description.

I am pursuing Medb as an LI and this was both a tragic and intimate scene where she opened up to the MC about something I doubt any living human knows or has a record of.

Spoiler: Medb A Brother's Tale

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The part I appreciated about this scene was not just the story but the vulnerability that Medb allows the MC to see when she talks about the loss of her brother.

This is far from the arrogant Medb who the MC first met at the Templar HQ when she came to deliver terms for the release of his father.

The pose with her arms almost hugging herself across her chest, as though they can protect her heart, made this scene more endearing to me.

Showing this vulnerability to the MC is intimate in my eyes as she trusts him with this story.

It is not physical intimacy, but it Is emotional intimacy that she may well have not shared with another for a long time (perhaps not since she and Ailill parted ways).

When the MC and Medb share their first romantic kiss, it will be very special in my eyes as it will represent not just their growing romance but also her journey from hate to love.

Cheers!!