It only comes up in the 'Daughter of the Sun' scene at the end of the chapter on Medb's route. Finnabair is specifically referred to (in Alfar) as the daughter of Ailill and the daughter of Medb.
I didn't get that impression at all. They seem to control very little of Neverwhere, just the the territory around the portal to Alfheimr. It's hard to believe they have distant colonies somewhere; we know they can't stray too far from their home.
Also, if Neverwhere is their goal, their focus should be on the humans that control Neverwhere (or at least the human parts), not the Templars who seem to be regarded as foreigners there.
I know right and she outshined everyone and became my favorite. I read she died before playing figured not a big deal just a side character and I thought that was only because the player can kill her or spare her. But I totally saw it coming when it got close to that part. At least Kaija won't find out I cheated on her now.
This is without any intent to attack or defend Kaija; Was it me or in the high Relship path with her is the posibility to sway her to your point of view, ?In ch 4 when you go to neverwhere, and you tell her to help the guy who is been beaten, for example and the Dialoge when you see the Alfar beeing attacked by Hellspawns, is different as well, and there is also the achievement priority change,
There is a maybe and hence why I have a Kaija save. There may be a redemption path there. For me, the damage is done, I wouldn't be able to trust someone that did that to me in a RL situation. Even if she did have second thoughts the Templars like Linnae would still have a hook in her and influence her. BUT this is a game and anything is possible.
Finnabair should have been killed early on but if you save her she is on borrowed time. She fulfilled her role as a bridge between the humans and the elves. The elves have been exposed to a different type of human through Finnabair. She plays an important role, but she became a casualty of war like so many other good people. Its a war and good people die in war. Its shitty but it happens. That is my take anyway.
Is she dead? Maybe it is an elaborate setup by the elves to test the human? I think she is dead though.
I don't see why I shouldn't fault Medb for her arrogance and intolerance. Sure, she has her reasons, but that's true of pretty much everyone with a grievance. Unlike Finnabair, Medb ought to have the wisdom and experience to take a larger view, but she doesn't. She was, in fact, perfectly willing to let the MC die while under a flag of truce even though that was counterproductive to her own goals, simply because she didn't care enough to find an alternative. Even her grudging respect for the MC's mercy is a little undercut by the later revelation that Finnabair was her daughter, an unfortunate downside of that twist.
That's not to say I hate Medb. I appreciate there IS more to her character, and I'm willing to work with her going forward since she can be rational when she needs to be. But I don't see myself starting a Medb run anytime soon.
All true, but it still doesn't explain why the Alfar and Templars are on the verge of war now. However heinous each side's crimes may have been in the past, if they weren't at war at the start of the game they wouldn't be changing that unless SOMETHING is ratcheting up the tension. Friction requires contact, and it's still unclear where they encounter each other often enough to generate any meaningful friction.
We're specifically told the Alfar can't stray too far from their home, and from what Medb said they have no interest in operating on our Earth. Meanwhile the only thing we've learned the Templars do is keep certain powers in Neverwhere from operating on Earth. It seems like the two sides should naturally be giving each other a wide berth, but that's clearly not the case. Presumably they're clashing over something in Neverwhere, but we're long overdue for details.
I'm not as keen on Medb as I was. I think there is a lot more happening off screen Ceolag has yet to reveal. So I'm not writing Medb off. I still hope to melt her beautiful icy heart.
Damn what an amazing update , I don't even know what to feel right now... Finnabair such a good character. I forgot I was even playing my Kaija love path and cheated on Kaija with her that's how good of a character she was for me. But she will never know now she is dead. I just hope Kaija wasn't the one that killed her cause man then i'm gonna be real confused on how I feel about Kaija. Even if it was in self defense or she didn't start the fight I actually liked Finnabair more than Kaija and im starting to like Medb more as well I think in an update or two Kaija will no longer be my favorite but Medb will. Right now I consider Medb tied with Kaija as my favorite.
I'm not as keen on Medb as I was. I think there is a lot more happening off screen Ceolag has yet to reveal. So I'm not writing Medb off. I still hope to melt her beautiful icy heart.
after this update as far as i'm concerned I think Medb's icy heart got melted enough for me sure there are ways to go but it's enough I can see a change in her and really like her character enough that I put her tied with my favorite. Since my new favorite is dead
I probably am going to make a cheating Save once I redo everything for Steam haha but that was my pure love path. I only cheated on her with Finnabair cause I honestly kind of forgot I was playing my love path cause she was such a good character
honestly, she can diss the templars training. she is several times older than the oldest templar. she has several times more experience. and is most likely several times better.
the Alfar best sword teacher is older than the human's whole current civilization... Oberon has seen Jesus and Cesar xD
Yeah when I started to play the update I was a bit shocked as I forgot how the MC looked lol. Makes me think he is lucky to even get close to Kaija even if part was a lie.
Damn what an amazing update , I don't even know what to feel right now... Finnabair such a good character. I forgot I was even playing my Kaija love path and cheated on Kaija with her that's how good of a character she was for me. But she will never know now she is dead. I just hope Kaija wasn't the one that killed her cause man then i'm gonna be real confused on how I feel about Kaija. Even if it was in self defense or she didn't start the fight I actually liked Finnabair more than Kaija and im starting to like Medb more as well I think in an update or two Kaija will no longer be my favorite but Medb will. Right now I consider Medb tied with Kaija as my favorite.
Still need to play the hate the parents path I played it nice and calm. I figured even if they did lose trust and lie no need to make things worst especially right now. But gonna go the hate parents path among others when I replay this come the steam launch. Before this update I didn't hate the templars as much as everyone else just disliked them now I really want to see them burn and help the Elfs don't even know why they hate each other besides a few skirmishes , don't even care if Elfs were in the wrong or do some fucked up shit later
I CALLED IT
told you Medb's position would shoot up in your list, and I was pretty sure Finnabair would too but I didn't want to spoil it for you
It can't have been self defense from the templars and Finnabair can't have started the fight as she understood MC's intention in stopping the war, and Kaija can't have been the one as she is smart enough to avoid any big issues with the Alfar knowing that MC is currently living with them, and she is skilled enough to just defend and leave if provoked.
It's most likely the third party that wants the war that setup the whole thing. especially if they know Finnabair is Medb's daughter.
I don't see why I shouldn't fault Medb for her arrogance and intolerance. Sure, she has her reasons, but that's true of pretty much everyone with a grievance. Unlike Finnabair, Medb ought to have the wisdom and experience to take a larger view, but she doesn't. She was, in fact, perfectly willing to let the MC die while under a flag of truce even though that was counterproductive to her own goals, simply because she didn't care enough to find an alternative. Even her grudging respect for the MC's mercy is a little undercut by the later revelation that Finnabair was her daughter, an unfortunate downside of that twist.
That's not to say I hate Medb. I appreciate there IS more to her character, and I'm willing to work with her going forward since she can be rational when she needs to be. But I don't see myself starting a Medb run anytime soon.
she probably let the duel happen because she values MC's skills and "destiny", I think. he managed to convince Ailill and Finnabair (her ex and her daughter... so she knows them well enough to understand it's no small feat) to be escorted to the middle of Alfar's home. He managed to beat Finnabair in a surprise attack before. He managed to save her from the cloaked Damas. He managed to survive her black out. He managed to resist the succubus completely. He was escorted by Fiona during the life debt exchange, even the Queen was wary of her. He managed to impress the Queen. He managed to survive the mercenary attack. He is the son of the Grand Master even if he constantly protest (it means his upbringing is not normal even if he didn't realize it), and most importantly, he carries Durendal and she knew a lot about its powers and it has a special meaning for her.
and He did all that in less than a week.
she knew he wouldn't die, so she wanted to test him and his resolve for peace. she is also very old and respects the traditions, her position also makes it so she MUST uphold them.
I don't think her relationship to Finnabair plays that much of a role in her subsequent decision to have MC live with them. but when Finnabair does die, she is overcome with grief and is pushed on the side of war against her better judgement.
All true, but it still doesn't explain why the Alfar and Templars are on the verge of war now. However heinous each side's crimes may have been in the past, if they weren't at war at the start of the game they wouldn't be changing that unless SOMETHING is ratcheting up the tension. Friction requires contact, and it's still unclear where they encounter each other often enough to generate any meaningful friction.
We're specifically told the Alfar can't stray too far from their home, and from what Medb said they have no interest in operating on our Earth. Meanwhile the only thing we've learned the Templars do is keep certain powers in Neverwhere from operating on Earth. It seems like the two sides should naturally be giving each other a wide berth, but that's clearly not the case. Presumably they're clashing over something in Neverwhere, but we're long overdue for details.
the third party is probably to blame for the war. maybe young Alfar that cultivates hate for humans, and powerful humans from neverwhere that want to expand their business to Earth and to Alfheimr to get more powerful and live longer. both manipulated and pushed by powerful Hellspawns, and maybe some old gods, that just enjoy the chaos.
it's because you didn't learn Quenya, the elves language! and you were too focused on Finnabair instead of learning from Medb
during the funeral, in their own language, they say she is Ailill's and Medb's daughter. that makes it cleared why MC being Ailill's guest has some weight for Medb. it was not just the guest treatment tradition. and he could just walk in her office during work hours, bypassing the receptionist.
and when Medb orders Finnabair to teach their tradition and lifestyle to MC, it was not just orders from a higher rank, it was orders from her mother, and we saw how Finnabair respects the serious orders from her father.
if you have sex with Finnabair, she explains their word for deeper love and family bond, and Medb uses a variation of that word to describe her daughter as the very last line of the update
they can, but they can't for very long, they just need to come back from time to time to replenish and recharge.
they don't need to, though. their home seems to be more than enough for them. there doesn't seem to be anything that they actually want outside of their home.
well, except MC's magic dick, of course
MC saw her body from pretty close in the funeral. it could be illusion magic, but he could see through that and they know it from the Damas attack, so it would be a big risk if they tried.
after this update as far as i'm concerned I think Medb's icy heart got melted enough for me sure there are ways to go but it's enough I can see a change in her and really like her character enough that I put her tied with my favorite. Since my new favorite is dead
I probably am going to make a cheating Save once I redo everything for Steam haha but that was my pure love path. I only cheated on her with Finnabair cause I honestly kind of forgot I was playing my love path cause she was such a good character
you can refuse sex with Finnabair without any consequence for later, and you can choose to get locked in a platonic friendship with Medb if you want to stay faithful to Kaija, according to the variables in the code
honestly, she can diss the templars training. she is several times older than the oldest templar. she has several times more experience. and is most likely several times better.
the Alfar best sword teacher is older than the human's whole current civilization... Oberon has seen Jesus and Cesar xD
It can't have been self defense from the templars and Finnabair can't have started the fight as she understood MC's intention in stopping the war, and Kaija can't have been the one as she is smart enough to avoid any big issues with the Alfar knowing that MC is currently living with them, and she is skilled enough to just defend and leave if provoked.
It's most likely the third party that wants the war that setup the whole thing. especially if they know Finnabair is Medb's daughter.
yeah tbh I think it was a third party but my comment about if it was self defense I would of assumed there were other elfs that attacked first not Finnabair but that is a very valid point about Kaija
yeah tbh I think it was a third party but my comment about if it was self defense I would of assumed there were other elfs that attacked first not Finnabair but that is a very valid point about Kaija
if he spent time with the Alfar, MC would be motivated to investigate and find out who did it and how it happened to bring the culprit's head to Medb.
but if you chose to kill Finnabair, then MC is the cause of the war, though. I don't know how the dev will resolve both choices to justify the war.
We can bet there is a traitor on the templar council too. William is too obvious, he was eager to go to war when MC's dad was kidnapped, but now he has no reason to, and he was reminded of the Elves power when confronted by the Queen. Linnae, though, could be a good candidate for a traitor. She lost her family because of the templars, she might have lost many friends to the Alfar too over the years, and she just left the council and got more freedom to act. she forced MC to go to neverwhere just when Medb's party would be ambushed, and being a respected trainer she certainly has tons of templars loyal to her, like Kaija.
someone has to replace her on the council too, so the traitor could be that new guy.
we know MC's dad was setup to be alone to be easily kidnapped. so he trusted that person.
I have to wonder if the MC's interactions with Fiona, and her guidance in her dance studio to close his eyes and try to sense the world around him, did not open up a latent ability that he had.
Perhaps Fiona could 'see' or sense it or perhaps it is a byproduct of their connection.
I think that even Fiona was surprised when Orla allowed the MC to pet her versus taking his arm off.
I believe that Orla is a guardian from Fiona's world and that she has senses and abilities that go far beyond those of an Earth dog.
If the MC/Fiona interactions (perhaps even going as far back as the point where Fiona almost ran over the MC when they first met) are the catalyst for the MC's emerging ability(s), it would help explain the difference between the MC and his sister Jessica.
The MC has an awakened intuition/gut sense that is developing and helping him to 'see' with more than 5 senses.
Jessica currently has shown no preternatural/magical abilities, and she has had no interactions with Fiona.
I think the time is coming where the MC will introduce Jessica to Fiona and I'm curious if there is a path where Jessica's potential starts to be realized.
I have to wonder if the MC's interactions with Fiona, and her guidance in her dance studio to close his eyes and try to sense the world around him, did not open up a latent ability that he had.
Perhaps Fiona could 'see' or sense it or perhaps it is a byproduct of their connection.
I think that even Fiona was surprised when Orla allowed the MC to pet her versus taking his arm off.
I believe that Orla is a guardian from Fiona's world and that she has senses and abilities that go far beyond those of an Earth dog.
If the MC/Fiona interactions (perhaps even going as far back as the point where Fiona almost ran over the MC when they first met) are the catalyst for the MC's emerging ability(s), it would help explain the difference between the MC and his sister Jessica.
The MC has an awakened intuition/gut sense that is developing and helping him to 'see' with more than 5 senses.
Jessica currently has shown no preternatural/magical abilities, and she has had no interactions with Fiona.
I think the time is coming where the MC will introduce Jessica to Fiona and I'm curious if there is a path where Jessica's potential starts to be realized.
interesting thoughts.
Fiona could have sent the ability when he closed his eyes too, or Orla when he touched her.
that ability could just be the power of fate, or gods guiding MC. Nimue confirmed gods exist. it's probably not a coincidence that Kari happened to be there at the right time.
if Fiona is the reason for MC's expanded senses, then she also indirectly might be the reason he got to be chosen by Durendal ? or just because he is peace loving ?
we can wonder if Jessica's potential is higher than MC's too.