VN Ren'Py The Roommate [v0.12.03] [togs]

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Maviarab said:
The problem here is people...not her character, not her backstory and not the way she is written. Usually the same people who can't handle the fact their favourite waifu has fucked someone else before them and isn't quite as pure as the driven snow as they would like. Let's be honest, you see it everyday on this site in pretty much every thread lol. Like seriously, people need to get a grip, though we all know how fragile many people on this site are. Maybe they should just stick to things like MNF instead, probably much more their cup of the proverbial tea.
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Very simplistic to dismiss all criticism of the upgrade contents with the most extreme versions of reaction to it and pretend it's all fine.

There's multiple angles to it, and multiple people reacted differently to different aspects of it. Yes, the discussion has gotten stale around it, but it's been many pages, and people have pointed out plenty of different issues.

1. Shift of personality (togs himself says Kiki was never planned to be like that so that people notice this jarring shift is hardly surprising)
2. The joke about fucking builder dude right away not being well delivered
3. The inability to define your precise relationship / and her behavior
4. Her backstory, in different ways

... probably more; didn't really all of the quite stale debate either way.

For me, it's all about how it's presented. Neither the protagonist nor Kiki act like people to me. You can compare them to Lois, or Kara - and how long that took for actually anything to develop. There was some attempts to make it like people interacting with each other, getting to know each other, and then ramping things up. But for a while now everything seems incredibly rushed.

Kiki is just the most extreme example. When you ask her why she feels like becoming a slave, and she reveals that she was date-gang raped, and the protagonist basically goes "cool, show me your tits" (and also possibly "let me grab that footage") ... that's just ... words fail me how anyone could think there's no problem with that.

It's not the background. It's not the character. It's certainly not the reader. It's absolutely definitely how it's written.

Had she mentioned 13 updates ago that past decisions got her into trouble. And had she then slowly build a rapport with the protagonist, and perhaps along the way revealed some of the tragic consequences of her actions, and had this then slowly developed into the relationship as is now few people here would be talking about it (yes, some people would always complain about that backstory; it's noise, filter it out...).

Instead, again, it's completely rushed through. Protagonist comes across as some sort of inhumane, uncaring monster, and what Kiki needs is therapy, and not ... whatever this is supposed to be.

But whatever. It is what it is now. Update pressure will probably ensure that these things keep happening.
 
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It looks like you are not understanding why you got those facepalms. I didn't give you any of those facepalms, but I just had a look at the last 20 pages to see which messages got a facepalm and which ones didn't. As far as I understand, none of these facepalms are "from people who have a different opinion than yours," contrary to what you are claiming. Instead, they all seem to be about you misunderstanding or misrepresenting what others were saying, or sometimes misunderstanding the game that we are talking about here.

To set the context, your first message on Nov 1, 2023 started with "If this is going to be yet another multiple path/endings VN, then I'm dropping it." This was not a very good start because a large part of the appeal of this game is that Togs did a great job about offering multiple paths for each of the main characters. Your initial attitude has probably influenced how people reacted to your other messages, because it looks like you wanted to deny other players from the choices that they enjoyed in this game. Note that you did not get any facepalm for stating your opinion.

After some messages from several players saying that they were disappointed with some of the recent changes and the lack of choice in the latest version of the game, you got your first facepalms when you replied "this VN just became A WHOLE LOT MORE INTERESTING." and "Well. It sounds like one of us will have to give up on this VN, since there is no way the dev. will be able to please us both." Basically, you show that you are enjoying the fact that other players are disappointed, and you are taunting them about it. The facepalms do not seem to be related to having a different opinion; they are related to your attitude.

Then you posted more messages expressing your opinion. No facepalms there, even for your messages in which you described the polite complaints of other players as "hate speech". Then you got more facepalms for a message in which you reply to gregers who was explaining how the game has been from the start, and your reply seems to be a bit out of touch with reality. These facepalms should not be very surprising.

Several other messages in which you were explaining your opinion or reacting to other players did not get any facepalms. But then you got some for a provocative message in which you wrote: "If I was a dev. I would definitely listen more to the patreon community than the parasite's on this board." This is followed by several messages in which you disagreed with others but did not get any facepalms. Your next ones were for a message in which you wrote that the new content was requested by Patreon supporters and some of them liked the update: "And last but not least. There are also comments on Patreon, from people who likes the new content.". But that was a misrepresentation of the Patreon feedback because at that time the majority of the feedback on Patreon was from players who were disappointed with that new content. Also, you were opposing the Patreon community and the "parasites on this board", apparently without realizing that some of the active users here were also supporting Togs on Patreon (and did not like the recent changes).

You also got some facepalms for a message in which you were patronizing: "It looks like some people here have WAY to much time on their hand to play this VN. You should really try to turn off the computer and go out at meet some real people instead of living your life through a VN." It was rather bold of you to give this lesson to other players, considering that during the previous day you had posted four times more messages than anybody else.

I could continue like that with other examples, but from my point of view the pattern is clear: I did not see a single case in which you got a facepalm for simply stating your opinion and disagreeing with others. All of the facepalms that you got were reacting to messages in which you were misunderstanding or twisting what others were saying (I will not try to guess if that twisting was intentional or accidental). As I said above, I did not give you a single facepalm. But after checking the last 20 pages of this forum, it is clear that the reason why you got these facepalms is related to your attitude, not to your opinion.
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Talk about killing them softly. Goddamn ,I'm impressed.
 
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UnwrappedGodiva said:
It looks like you are not understanding why you got those facepalms. I didn't give you any of those facepalms, but I just had a look at the last 20 pages to see which messages got a facepalm and which ones didn't. As far as I understand, none of these facepalms are "from people who have a different opinion than yours," contrary to what you are claiming. Instead, they all seem to be about you misunderstanding or misrepresenting what others were saying, or sometimes misunderstanding the game that we are talking about here.
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Well. If you took a deeper look, you will see that it's the same people who are using the facepalm every single time, and they aren't just facepalming me, but also others who like Kiki, and also posts that is clearly an opinion.
Beside that many of your quotes are out of context and most are opinions IMHO.

I don't take people seriously when they use a faceplam on every single post from people they disagree with.
 
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MasterGamer1234567890 said:
Well. If you took a deeper look, you will see that it's the same people who are using the facepalm every single time, and they aren't just facepalming me, but also others who like Kiki, and also posts that is clearly an opinion.
Beside that many of your quotes are out of context and most are opinions IMHO.

I don't take people seriously when they use a faceplam on every single post from people they disagree with.
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Bro, you are either the densest material on earth or the greatest troll ever. Every attempt of other people trying to show you the error of your way, you just completely ignore it and then proceed to hold on to the one argument that you can come up with while those that you can't are irrelevant or maybe don't even exist at all to you. It's like your brain is hardwired to see only the stuff you can chew and the rest is just nothingness
 
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MasterGamer1234567890 said:
I don't take people seriously when they use a faceplam on every single post from people they disagree with.
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See how you are twisting the facts again? After a message in which I gave precise references showing that the messages in which you simply expressed your opinion without distorting the facts did not get any facepalm, you are now claiming that some people "use a faceplam on every single post" of yours. Your claim just doesn't make sense when only a third of your messages (those that were clearly a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of the reality) got a facepalm. You try to paint yourself as a victim, but you are the one who is repeatedly trolling.

Also, you try to dismiss my arguments by saying "Beside that many of your quotes are out of context and most are opinions IMHO" although I did provide the context and direct links to your messages every time I quoted one of them. And claiming that "most of them are opinions" is actually agreeing with what I wrote: you did not get facepalms for the messages in which you were simply expressing your opinion without distorting the facts.

I tried to be as patient and polite as possible when replying to you, but once again you demonstrate that there is no point in explaining the reality to you. It looks like I wasted my time. You will probably never admit that you were wrong or that you are trolling here, so I will follow the usual advice "don't feed the trolls" and focus on the game now...
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PyoT said:
Very simplistic to dismiss all criticism of the upgrade contents with the most extreme versions of reaction to it and pretend it's all fine.

There's multiple angles to it, and multiple people reacted differently to different aspects of it. Yes, the discussion has gotten stale around it, but it's been many pages, and people have pointed out plenty of different issues.

1. Shift of personality (togs himself says Kiki was never planned to be like that so that people notice this jarring shift is hardly surprising)
2. The joke about fucking builder dude right away not being well delivered
3. The inability to define your precise relationship / and her behavior
4. Her backstory, in different ways

... probably more; didn't really all of the quite stale debate either way.

For me, it's all about how it's presented. Neither the protagonist nor Kiki act like people to me. You can compare them to Lois, or Kara - and how long that took for actually anything to develop. There was some attempts to make it like people interacting with each other, getting to know each other, and then ramping things up. But for a while now everything seems incredibly rushed.

Kiki is just the most extreme example. When you ask her why she feels like becoming a slave, and she reveals that she was date-gang raped, and the protagonist basically goes "cool, show me your tits" (and also possibly "let me grab that footage") ... that's just ... words fail me how anyone could think there's no problem with that.

It's not the background. It's not the character. It's certainly not the reader. It's absolutely definitely how it's written.

Had she mentioned 13 updates ago that past decisions got her into trouble. And had she then slowly build a rapport with the protagonist, and perhaps along the way revealed some of the tragic consequences of her actions, and had this then slowly developed into the relationship as is now few people here would be talking about it (yes, some people would always complain about that backstory; it's noise, filter it out...).

Instead, again, it's completely rushed through. Protagonist comes across as some sort of inhumane, uncaring monster, and what Kiki needs is therapy, and not ... whatever this is supposed to be.

But whatever. It is what it is now. Update pressure will probably ensure that these things keep happening.
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You're not wrong, but there does seem to be a tendency (Of which I'm sure I'm guilty of too) to analyze things one doesn't like in avns to a far greater level of scrutiny than things they do like. As to why this is hyperfocused on in this game thread; I think mavirab above hit it on the head.

I'm also surprised people are so invested one way or another in Kiki, she came off as a quintessential side character to me; someone who would fill content until more with Kari or Lois happens. If Lois or Kari were a real person, what do you think their reaction would be to MC describing Kiki's behavior to them?
 
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I saw that this game has the tag "swinging". So I think this game has netorare, netorase, or both. Can someone explain it to me? (I'm a netorase fan)
 
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New version 10.05 Mega
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Haven't played it myself but just going from the Patreon posts, compared to the version currently posted here (10.02) 10.03 added another day of gameplay (day 72) while 10.04 and 10.05 were bugfixes and such.
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for the 10.03 release:

This build takes us through Tuesday, 13 July - Day 72 of the game.

You'll finish the events of the night before if you're on the making babies with the sisters path!

Then it's back to the office for more fun and games.

Trevor has some worrying news, but Maddie has happier tidings, with progress on the takeover of The Twisted Kilt.

Kari wants to go shopping after work and you're making plans for a night out later in the week.
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See also
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for some (slightly spoilery) details on a phone call the MC can make during the day.
 
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johndqdo said:
I saw that this game has the tag "swinging". So I think this game has netorare, netorase, or both. Can someone explain it to me? (I'm a netorase fan)
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HornyyPussy said:
The MC has a swingset outside his house!
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There's an optional route involving chimpanzees.

[EDIT: Meaning on vines, BTW, not something sexual. :oops::LOL: Seinfeld: "Not that there's anything wrong with that."]
 
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