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DA22

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for me the problem is more than anything else that for any Rote other than the harem you have to embarrass or mistreat the others, only with Nikki, partially, you leave her talking to her, you leave the others disappointing them ....
Well that last is indeed the problem with any reverse harem game (starting with a harem and then having to choose one or two girls to end up with) and unavoidable. You have to give the players some time to get to know all chars and yeah if then like more as one it can hurt or feel bad if by choosing one you have to disappoint the others. It comes with the territory though of having meaningful choices, be careful what you ask for. :p
 

felicemastronzo

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Well that last is indeed the problem with any reverse harem game (starting with a harem and then having to choose one or two girls to end up with) and unavoidable. You have to give the players some time to get to know all chars and yeah if then like more as one it can hurt or feel bad if by choosing one you have to disappoint the others. It comes with the territory though of having meaningful choices, be careful what you ask for. :p
but here you don't really start with the harem

in theory you build it, at some point it seems that you have lost everything and then in the end the one or those you have not treated badly forgive you.

instead of being forgiven by those you did not treat well it was "sweeter" to be forgiven by those you treated well
 

InfamousAone

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So i have installed the low spec patch,but the game is still very unstable for me,is there anything else that i can do to fix that?
 

GrammerCop

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So i have installed the low spec patch,but the game is still very unstable for me,is there anything else that i can do to fix that?
Lot's of things you can do. Close other programs, disable AV, upgrade your RAM, new graphics card, computer, etc.

Edit: and no, I am not being a smart ass.
 

44Tom

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Lot's of things you can do. Close other programs, disable AV, upgrade your RAM, new graphics card, computer, etc.

Edit: and no, I am not being a smart ass.
I have a six year old computer. Not a gaming rig. i7 processor, 8GB RAM, no GPU. I added 8 more GB RAM, and it made a world of difference in playing most games. This was the best upgrade I could do. Cost $40.00 US. Now I have 16 GB RAM and no more unstable games.

I have found that closing browsers and other programs helps also, or a fresh reboot.
 

brichouse

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for me the problem is more than anything else that for any Rote other than the harem you have to embarrass or mistreat the others, only with Nikki, partially, you leave her talking to her, you leave the others disappointing them ....
Hm, if by embarrass/disappoint you're referring to the fact that MC gets caught cheating, then I guess, but realistically, MC had been embarrassing/disappointing Haley from the beginning (because he was being a trash ass partner and cheating) and then adding in what's her name and promising he'd leave Haley for her (again, not a choice the player was able to make/not make) just made it worse. And don't even get me started on the audacity of what's her name to demand loyalty/fidelity from MC when she's literally the other woman... like, fuck her, and fuck Nikki. And not in the sexy way. Neither what's her name nor Nikki had any right to claim MC, so I'm not sure how they could be embarrassed/disappointed when they're both the dating equivalent of homewreckers... and then had the nerve to smile in Haley's face...

The weirdest part about this story to me is that Nikki is essentially a predator, and if you don't end up with Nikki, she says as much herself. She basically said she manipulated MC into having a physical relationship with her and then just kept her claws in him, no matter who it hurt along the way. BUT MC can still end up with her, which I'm assuming means in those endings, the predatory nature of Nikki is never even mentioned.

At any rate, my problem with this is, while it's a choice game in some aspects, a lot of the BIG decisions in this story (some that don't even have huge impact on the storyline - such as promising to what's her face he'd leave Haley and fucking the maid) are made for us and serve no other purpose than to make MC (who is already a piece of shit) an even bigger piece of a shit.

I mean, I finished the game, but I'm not gonna replay to get other endings because of the above mentioned shit.

I acknowledge that some of these feelings might be because I'm a woman though. I most likely view the infidelity, Nikki's behavior, side bitches, and other shit differently than the average player (since this site is super male-dominated), but still...
 
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GrammerCop

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I have a six year old computer. Not a gaming rig. i7 processor, 8GB RAM, no GPU. I added 8 more GB RAM, and it made a world of difference in playing most games. This was the best upgrade I could do. Cost $40.00 US. Now I have 16 GB RAM and no more unstable games.

I have found that closing browsers and other programs helps also, or a fresh reboot.
Yep, those actions do help. Best thing you can do at this stage (if you don't buy a new PC) is to get a graphics card with at least 2GB Video Ram. Note this is the cheapest option to improve game play. I had a system similar to yours. When I bought my current system several years ago (then at $1400) I was able to play the latest and greatest intensive games. And I can still play the latest coming out today. I am still so happy. :)

PS: I'm not going to spec it out for you.
 

GrammerCop

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Hm, if by embarrass/disappoint you're referring to the fact that MC gets caught cheating, then I guess, but realistically, MC had been embarrassing/disappointing Haley from the beginning (because he was being a trash ass partner and cheating) and then adding in what's her name and promising he'd leave Haley for her (again, not a choice the player was able to make/not make) just made it worse. And don't even get me started on the audacity of what's her name to demand loyalty/fidelity from MC when she's literally the other woman... like, fuck her, and fuck Nikki. And not in the sexy way. Neither what's her name nor Nikki had any right to claim MC, so I'm not sure how they could be embarrassed/disappointed when they're both the dating equivalent of homewreckers... and then had the nerve to smile in Haley's face...

The weirdest part about this story to me is that Nikki is essentially a predator, and if you don't end up with Nikki, she says as much herself. She basically said she manipulated MC into having a physical relationship with her and then just kept her claws in him, no matter who it hurt along the way. BUT MC can still end up with her, which I'm assuming means in those endings, the predatory nature of Nikki is never even mentioned.

At any rate, my problem with this is, while it's a choice game in some aspects, a lot of the BIG decisions in this story (some that don't even have huge impact on the storyline - such as promising to what's her face he'd leave Haley and fucking the maid) are made for us and serve no other purpose than to make MC (who is already a piece of shit) an even bigger piece of a shit.

I mean, I finished the game, but I'm not gonna replay to get other endings because of the above mentioned shit.

I acknowledge that some of these feelings might be because I'm a woman though. I most likely view the infidelity, Nikki's behavior, side bitches, and other shit differently than the average player (since this site is super male-dominated), but still...
Not sure which path you played. You really might want to try the Harem path or the Karen / Nikki path and see what happens.

When the Nikki ending was finished, I actually did go back and play 4 of the paths (Not Haley. I thought she really wasn't my cup of tea.) and found that while similar were each of the paths are a little different.

Yes you can say he cheated with Nikki. But Nikki is very charismatic. And Haley is not. Plus, it seems Haley may be a gold digger (That is a statement made by several posters.). This may subconsciously be why I did not like her that much. Not the posters statements)

You can also go ahead and delete the game and never look back. But if you read this post, then you may find yourself downloading it again in a few weeks or so. :devilish:
 

brichouse

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Not sure which path you played. You really might want to try the Harem path or the Karen / Nikki path and see what happens.

When the Nikki ending was finished, I actually did go back and play 4 of the paths (Not Haley. I thought she really wasn't my cup of tea.) and found that while similar were each of the paths are a little different.

Yes you can say he cheated with Nikki. But Nikki is very charismatic. And Haley is not. Plus, it seems Haley may be a gold digger (That is a statement made by several posters.). This may subconsciously be why I did not like her that much. Not the posters statements)

You can also go ahead and delete the game and never look back. But if you read this post, then you may find yourself downloading it again in a few weeks or so. :devilish:
I played the Haley route. I don't really get gold digger vibes considering the fact that she didn't even know how much money he actually had until he brought her home, so seems kinda dumb to assume that about her.

Regarding the "charisma" of Nikki... Cheating is cheating. Also, is Nikki ACTUALLY charismatic or are people just infatuated because she's fast and has big tits? I already deleted the game after finishing one playthrough. I don't want any ending with Nikki in it... or the other older lady, tbh. As I said, Nikki's essentially a predator, which is acknowledged if you don't pursue an ending with her, and the other older lady was also problematic in a different way (but I won't get into all that).
 

badikruio

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Imagine coming to a porn forum and talking like you're at a Twitter Conference. Please take your complaints about "problematic" characters in a silly sex fantasy visual novel far away from this place. Not every piece of fiction has to live up to the rules you imagine society should adhere to.
 

Avaron1974

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The weirdest part about this story to me is that Nikki is essentially a predator, and if you don't end up with Nikki, she says as much herself. She basically said she manipulated MC into having a physical relationship with her and then just kept her claws in him, no matter who it hurt along the way. BUT MC can still end up with her, which I'm assuming means in those endings, the predatory nature of Nikki is never even mentioned.


I acknowledge that some of these feelings might be because I'm a woman though. I most likely view the infidelity, Nikki's behavior, side bitches, and other shit differently than the average player (since this site is super male-dominated), but still...
Also a woman and I love Nikki.

Her predatory nature is mentioned in all endings, it has to be because you see it happen all through the game.

She gets her hooks in the Mc, she gets her hooks in Hayley and she even manages to get the Mc fucking his own mother.

The endings where you stay with Nikki just happen to be the ones the MC admits he could have said no but went along with it. You can only blame her for so much.

With regards to the site being super male orientated, there are a lot more women than you might think.

Sure not all of them are vocal but there are several devs, a few writers and a good chunk of forum dwellers. Quite a few of us post a lot. 1 of us in particular posts all the damned time, wench won't shut up .... that would be me.
 

brichouse

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Also a woman and I love Nikki.

Her predatory nature is mentioned in all endings, it has to be because you see it happen all through the game.

She gets her hooks in the Mc, she gets her hooks in Hayley and she even manages to get the Mc fucking his own mother.

The endings where you stay with Nikki just happen to be the ones the MC admits he could have said no but went along with it. You can only blame her for so much.

With regards to the site being super male orientated, there are a lot more women than you might think.

Sure not all of them are vocal but there are several devs, a few writers and a good chunk of forum dwellers. Quite a few of us post a lot. 1 of us in particular posts all the damned time, wench won't shut up .... that would be me.
Hm, I just can't get into Nikki and, sure, he could've said no, but iirc, there were times when he DID say no but Nikki kept pressuring him until he caved... which is definitely not okay. But to each his/her own.

Who are the female devs?!
 

Avaron1974

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Who are the female devs?!
Nottravis of Heavy Five, Raven has a project out, Lain has a few projects out, Yeda is making Shattered and that's a really good story, Tlaero is mainly a writer but has quite a few games out and is best known for her Elsaverse stories and Cardinal has a game out but recently became a mother and hasn't had enough spare time to work on her game.
 

felicemastronzo

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Hm, if by embarrass/disappoint you're referring to the fact that MC gets caught cheating, then I guess, but realistically, MC had been embarrassing/disappointing Haley from the beginning (because he was being a trash ass partner and cheating) and then adding in what's her name and promising he'd leave Haley for her (again, not a choice the player was able to make/not make) just made it worse. And don't even get me started on the audacity of what's her name to demand loyalty/fidelity from MC when she's literally the other woman... like, fuck her, and fuck Nikki. And not in the sexy way. Neither what's her name nor Nikki had any right to claim MC, so I'm not sure how they could be embarrassed/disappointed when they're both the dating equivalent of homewreckers... and then had the nerve to smile in Haley's face...

The weirdest part about this story to me is that Nikki is essentially a predator, and if you don't end up with Nikki, she says as much herself. She basically said she manipulated MC into having a physical relationship with her and then just kept her claws in him, no matter who it hurt along the way. BUT MC can still end up with her, which I'm assuming means in those endings, the predatory nature of Nikki is never even mentioned.

At any rate, my problem with this is, while it's a choice game in some aspects, a lot of the BIG decisions in this story (some that don't even have huge impact on the storyline - such as promising to what's her face he'd leave Haley and fucking the maid) are made for us and serve no other purpose than to make MC (who is already a piece of shit) an even bigger piece of a shit.

I mean, I finished the game, but I'm not gonna replay to get other endings because of the above mentioned shit.

I acknowledge that some of these feelings might be because I'm a woman though. I most likely view the infidelity, Nikki's behavior, side bitches, and other shit differently than the average player (since this site is super male-dominated), but still...
The perception of Nikki's predatory character is most likely different from man to woman, at least in moral judgment.
in games with a harem there is often a character who acts as a deus ex machina to the creation of it, for example in Parental Love she is MC's sister who in practice seduces his wife to convince her to have a "widespread" relationship.

but would it have made so much of a difference if the predator of the story had been MC (as happens in most cases) instead of Nikki? In my opinion, in the end this adds a bit of originality to the whole, and then it is not a hidden aspect but an obvious one.

I try to explain myself better when I talked about disappointing and mistreating.

the main choices I remember with which MC can "get rid" of Haley are:
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the first 2 are inattentions that could actually happen, the 3 and 4 are more serious especially for the past with Nikki, the fifth is quite rude. doing all this (and probably more that I don't remember) Haley won't forgive us in the end. I don't like this passive mechanism, in the end we work to not let ourselves be chosen, but we don't choose.

Karen, who is my favorite character, is no better, one of the key decisions to make us leave
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when we are still at the beginning of the seduction process. I would say not particularly subtle

Nikki is luckier with her there is a dialogue in which she asks us
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, which compared to the other paths is clearly the most romantic choice
 

PBS666

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Hm, if by embarrass/disappoint you're referring to the fact that MC gets caught cheating, then I guess, but realistically, MC had been embarrassing/disappointing Haley from the beginning (because he was being a trash ass partner and cheating) and then adding in what's her name and promising he'd leave Haley for her (again, not a choice the player was able to make/not make) just made it worse. And don't even get me started on the audacity of what's her name to demand loyalty/fidelity from MC when she's literally the other woman... like, fuck her, and fuck Nikki. And not in the sexy way. Neither what's her name nor Nikki had any right to claim MC, so I'm not sure how they could be embarrassed/disappointed when they're both the dating equivalent of homewreckers... and then had the nerve to smile in Haley's face...

The weirdest part about this story to me is that Nikki is essentially a predator, and if you don't end up with Nikki, she says as much herself. She basically said she manipulated MC into having a physical relationship with her and then just kept her claws in him, no matter who it hurt along the way. BUT MC can still end up with her, which I'm assuming means in those endings, the predatory nature of Nikki is never even mentioned.

At any rate, my problem with this is, while it's a choice game in some aspects, a lot of the BIG decisions in this story (some that don't even have huge impact on the storyline - such as promising to what's her face he'd leave Haley and fucking the maid) are made for us and serve no other purpose than to make MC (who is already a piece of shit) an even bigger piece of a shit.

I mean, I finished the game, but I'm not gonna replay to get other endings because of the above mentioned shit.

I acknowledge that some of these feelings might be because I'm a woman though. I most likely view the infidelity, Nikki's behavior, side bitches, and other shit differently than the average player (since this site is super male-dominated), but still...
You have to understand that the MC can't think for himself. His dick does, which is understandably as it is so ludicrously large, it has more body mass than the MC's brain.

Storywise, this is just a collection of porn scenes with some attempt of relationship building grafted on. The only character I could slightly feel some empathy to, was Haley (and I actually felt sorry for her the way she was treated).

I also won't replay this game, but I will look at all the different endings though (there's a mod for that), but just for the sex scenes. There is nothing more in it.
 

BigMike240

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One Hell of a Fucking Journey! Thanks for this Amazing Diamond in the Rough Stiglet! You have continuously been out performing yourself time and time again and all your hard work shows! HappySad to see this one come to an end but all good things must come to an end at some point, plus with all the different choices I wouldn't want it any other way. Take a well deserved break and enjoy yourself and hopefully we'll see more of your work in the near future. The Visit is easily in my top 2 on f95zone handsdown. The Visit is The Real Fucking Deal!


(Also thanks for noting about the low spec patch fixed my crash issue)
 
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