VN Ren'Py Abandoned This Is Not Heaven [Final Update 5] [Altered Vision]

[DA22]

hmmm.... a rushed ending don´t sound much better. but i trust you and try it.

Well I started with fact it was an enjoyable update as usual for a reason (the game is above average overall for sure, if not perfect), even if I do agree with the two minuses mentioned and tried to explain why I felt that especially the second did not fit with the game up to episode 0.9. Neither the role she suddenly took upon her, nor the way in which she did it.

 

[Sneak Monkey]

Walkthrough Mod for This is not Heaven v0.10 (only for English part)
The Warehouse

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This shows green options from the start of the game, however it stops after 3 or so and then there's nothing, I've done a speed run through and confirmed it shows no more green choices after the opening. Not sure what happened with the update but it's broken the mod.

Cheers

 

[BreastsAss]

It's a pity that the author decided to quit this game.

 

[The ArcKnight]

I don't know where people are drawing the conclusion that Triss is suddenly a bitch.
Something you have to understand as a developer, there is only so much you can fit into an update and keep the plot going.
This update, AV could fit in 3 sex scenes, and had to end the update story wise where he did while paying off the 3 relationships he could.

He decided to include a (very light) femdom scene for Triss.
If you actually play the scene you would know what I'm talking about.
Each time she does something, you get her internal monolog showing how unsure she is of herself doing this and how she NEEDS to be in control right now to keep herself from giving into the MC.
She mentions that from the research she did on the internet, it shows men like this, and if you look at femdom stuff... yeah, it be like that. lol

She doesn't "Throw a fit" if you disagree, she instead suggests that they just cuddle with her and the story moves on.
Would it be great for an alternative scene (where Triss is submissive instead) to be here if you were not interested in femdom? Absolutely, but considering AV had to keep the story moving to resolve the plot in 2 more updates, I don't begrudge him not putting in that extra work.

Same thing for the les scene with Mom&Aunt, he's working toward a harem ending and only has given himself 2 development cycles to wrap up a very large story I'm sure he was hoping could go on for a long while and I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have a satisfying wrap up of the story then alternate H-content.

Also, the developer isnt just abandoning this game.
He sees there isnt much support so decided to end things here and move on to trying something new because financially speaking, the game is a not successful despite this being one of the best HS VN's I've ever played. That combined with him being a 1 man developer, balancing college, he's obviously self conscious about making sure the translation is good but has no one to do so now, and the hordes of backlash he gets each update... I do not blame him at all. That's stressful when you are already balancing so much else in our life and just trying to put out a quality piece of smut for people to enjoy.

Again, I really hope AV decides to continue this story and instead just shelves it to come back to later because I truly do love this VN.

 

[Instant Cash]

Great VN but I am getting an error just after the night with Jill and you see Triss in her Lingere.

Anyone else getting this?

 

[Lysergic]

EDIT: After posting this, I joined the Discord for this game and noticed that AV was saying he would post it here just hours after releasing it on Patreon. That's not helping him build subscribers because there's even less incentive to subscribe if people know they will get it for free by simply waiting a few hours more. I've seen at least one dev say that he sometimes makes almost 50% of his earnings in the time period between his game being released to high-tier Patreons and being leaked here. As microtransactions have shown us, people will absolutely pay not to wait, no matter how much they bitch about it.

Yeah putting out an update exclusively on Patreon for a few days or a week before releasing it here is probably the way to go about it.

 

[Horny]

Overall a bit of a shame this is coming to an end due to the lack of support. I was one of those who criticized the game in the past for the English and overall story. I just want to say to the developer that it's not all bad, This is Not Heaven did have an interesting premise and the use of Honey Select, from animations to character models to sex scenes.

 

[DA22]

I don't know where people are drawing the conclusion that Triss is suddenly a bitch.
Something you have to understand as a developer, there is only so much you can fit into an update and keep the plot going.
This update, AV could fit in 3 sex scenes, and had to end the update story wise where he did while paying off the 3 relationships he could.

He decided to include a (very light) femdom scene for Triss.
If you actually play the scene you would know what I'm talking about.
Each time she does something, you get her internal monolog showing how unsure she is of herself doing this and how she NEEDS to be in control right now to keep herself from giving into the MC.
She mentions that from the research she did on the internet, it shows men like this, and if you look at femdom stuff... yeah, it be like that. lol

She doesn't "Throw a fit" if you disagree, she instead suggests that they just cuddle with her and the story moves on.
Would it be great for an alternative scene (where Triss is submissive instead) to be here if you were not interested in femdom? Absolutely, but considering AV had to keep the story moving to resolve the plot in 2 more updates, I don't begrudge him not putting in that extra work.

Same thing for the les scene with Mom&Aunt, he's working toward a harem ending and only has given himself 2 development cycles to wrap up a very large story I'm sure he was hoping could go on for a long while and I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have a satisfying wrap up of the story then alternate H-content.

Also, the developer isnt just abandoning this game.
He sees there isnt much support so decided to end things here and move on to trying something new because financially speaking, the game is a not successful despite this being one of the best HS VN's I've ever played. That combined with him being a 1 man developer, balancing college, he's obviously self conscious about making sure the translation is good but has no one to do so now, and the hordes of backlash he gets each update... I do not blame him at all. That's stressful when you are already balancing so much else in our life and just trying to put out a quality piece of smut for people to enjoy.

Again, I really hope AV decides to continue this story and instead just shelves it to come back to later because I truly do love this VN.

Why go maledom or femdom at all with that scene, there is no history in their relation or buildup for that in their characters. Just make it a normal scene or if that would not fit at the moment do a scene with another girl. Or do it right if want to portray loving femdom or maledom that fits in a starting relationship trying things out and add the communication, acceptance of other party and do not start hitting and such but do a roleplay and find out your partners limits through play.

Besides if she had looked on internet she would have found way more maledom scenes as femdom unless you go to specific sites and also about people not liking femdom as well. Sure I do understand that time constraint is a big limit especially in this dev's case, but in that context it makes including this scene even weirder and not keeping it more vanilla so that everyone would like it. It is not like it is a secret that fem- and maledom are not universally liked and that you need to be careful of changing a main characters role late in game with that kind of more controversial content.

To me it felt incredibly shoehorned in, instead of natural and more like following a request as something the game needed or had been building up to.

 

[Gleemer]

Here is the Italian translation

of This Is Not Heaven [v0.10]

This translation is "unofficial, it was created by a fan. + incest patch

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Ecco la traduzione italiana

di un fan This Is Not Heaven [v0.10]

Questa traduzione "non è ufficiale" è stata generata da un fan. + incest patch

 

[Deleted member 997153]

He decided to include a (very light) femdom scene for Triss.
If you actually play the scene you would know what I'm talking about.
Each time she does something, you get her internal monolog showing how unsure she is of herself doing this and how she NEEDS to be in control right now to keep herself from giving into the MC.
She mentions that from the research she did on the internet, it shows men like this, and if you look at femdom stuff... yeah, it be like that. lol

This is a spot-on take, in my opinion. The femdom isn't about the fetish per se, it's about the power balance in the relationship at that moment. Triss and MC aren't going through communication, boundaries, or consent (you know, the things that get men hard and women wet) because this isn't a negotiation; this is a hostile takeover by Triss. Depending on player choices in previous updates, we've already seen her weaken and give the MC head and getting it in return. She knows what is next on the menu and she knows that the MC has been the master and she the apprentice. It's moving faster than she anticipated, she's not ready for it to go further, but she needs a way to pump the brakes without alienating the MC. Femdom is a logical choice, especially if he's into it.

While my preference is to be the dominant partner, I have no big aversion to femdom. I've played it in other games and it's always come off as contrived to me. This is the only time I've seen it framed as a last resort for control by a girl who is desperate not to give into her lust. That made a scene I would normally be ambivalent about become incredibly arousing for me.

I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but AV seems to be weaving a lot of elements of hentai into the story to great effect. The use of condoms to prime a woman by giving her multiple orgasms to break down her resistance to doing it raw and the internal feminine struggle not to give into rising lust have a distinctly Japanese feel to them. Those are a few of the things hentai does very well in contrast to Western porn and this game benefits greatly from it.

 

[DA22]

This is a spot-on take, in my opinion. The femdom isn't about the fetish per se, it's about the power balance in the relationship at that moment. Triss and MC aren't going through communication, boundaries, or consent (you know, the things that get men hard and women wet) because this isn't a negotiation; this is a hostile takeover by Triss. Depending on player choices in previous updates, we've already seen her weaken and give the MC head and getting it in return. She knows what is next on the menu and she knows that the MC has been the master and she the apprentice. It's moving faster than she anticipated, she's not ready for it to go further, but she needs a way to pump the brakes without alienating the MC. Femdom is a logical choice, especially if he's into it.

While my preference is to be the dominant partner, I have no big aversion to femdom. I've played it in other games and it's always come off as contrived to me. This is the only time I've seen it framed as a last resort for control by a girl who is desperate not to give into her lust. That made a scene I would normally be ambivalent about become incredibly arousing for me.

I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but AV seems to be weaving a lot of elements of hentai into the story to great effect. The use of condoms to prime a woman by giving her multiple orgasms to break down her resistance to doing it raw and the internal feminine struggle not to give into rising lust have a distinctly Japanese feel to them. Those are a few of the things hentai does very well in contrast to Western porn and this game benefits greatly from it.

We sure have different takes on it. Let us keep it at that. But any woman slapping me in my face will only get one warning and second one I will hit back, walk out the door and never come back. Sister or not and lover or not. If she feels uncomfortable she should talk about it, not try to rape MC mentally with domination he did not ask for or agreed to.

Edit: She is going exactly the perfect way to actually alienate him, unless she would be so incredibly lucky he would be a natural sub and even then the way she goes about it should make every red alarm light in his head go off and make him run away ....... Especially dom is not about take overs but consent or it will never be save. Like I said a child playing with a new toy, without any understanding of the toy.

 

[Hellspawn_Al Simmons]

Yeah, sorry but the constant shouting matches gets jarring really fast. It's like the MC is talking to toddlers not grown women. Good luck with the game dev, it just not for me.

 

[Deleted member 997153]

We sure have different takes on it. Let us keep it at that. But any woman slapping me in my face will only get one warning and second one I will hit back, walk out the door and never come back. Sister or not and lover or not. If she feels uncomfortable she should talk about it, not try to rape MC mentally with domination he did not ask for or agreed to.

Edit: She is going exactly the perfect way to actually alienate him, unless she would be so incredibly lucky he would be a natural sub and even then the way she goes about it should make every red alarm light in his head go off and make him run away ....... Especially dom is not about take overs but consent or it will never be save. Like I said a child playing with a new toy, without any understanding of the toy.

Personally, I agree with you about the face-slapping. I enjoy both receiving and doling out pain during sex, but getting slapped in the face would definitely trigger a visceral response in me. That said, I tolerate quite a bit more in a porn VN because it's not real so no harm, no foul.

Also, I think it's a stretch to characterize what she is doing as "trying to mentally rape the MC with domination." She's using a fetish to give her a feeling of control. Honestly, I believe the MC understands what she's doing and is willingly giving up control to make her feel more comfortable. I need to double-check the dialogue and internal monologue, but that's my recollection of it. So it's more of a roleplay of him giving up power for her comfort. I get the sense that he was still in control, but maybe that's me projecting my perception into the game. Like I said, I'd need to double-check.

Keep in mind that they are not strangers, they are siblings. There is already a lot of trust baked into their relationship. They are not starting on the ground floor. The MC has the choice to reject the femdom, if he doesn't like it, so he's giving consent by not objecting to it. She might be a child playing with a new toy, but she knows the person with whom she is sharing that toy.

 

[Cernunnos.]

Secondly Triss, this was weird indeed. There was no foreshadowing at all she was interested in that, nor that MC was or any communication about it beforehand between the two. (It is not like I go around seriously choking a girl I am just in a relationship with out of the blue, without some prior communication and first more carefully finding out she is into rougher sex at least some of the time either and her limits. )

Yeah when that choice popped up I was confused as fuck. I guess accepting it grants points and that's why it's highlighted by the walkthrough mod but the scene after declining fits my reaction much better...utterly flaccid.

I checked the other route but didn't even get as far as the slapping...the choice between assjob/footjob and everything prior was plenty for me.

Just glad there doesn't seem to be any major repercussions for declining...some games lock the character out if you're not willing to be a punching bag.

 

[DA22]

This is a spot-on take, in my opinion. The femdom isn't about the fetish per se, it's about the power balance in the relationship at that moment. Triss and MC aren't going through communication, boundaries, or consent (you know, the things that get men hard and women wet) because this isn't a negotiation; this is a hostile takeover by Triss. Depending on player choices in previous updates, we've already seen her weaken and give the MC head and getting it in return. She knows what is next on the menu and she knows that the MC has been the master and she the apprentice. It's moving faster than she anticipated, she's not ready for it to go further, but she needs a way to pump the brakes without alienating the MC. Femdom is a logical choice, especially if he's into it.

While my preference is to be the dominant partner, I have no big aversion to femdom. I've played it in other games and it's always come off as contrived to me. This is the only time I've seen it framed as a last resort for control by a girl who is desperate not to give into her lust. That made a scene I would normally be ambivalent about become incredibly arousing for me.

I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but AV seems to be weaving a lot of elements of hentai into the story to great effect. The use of condoms to prime a woman by giving her multiple orgasms to break down her resistance to doing it raw and the internal feminine struggle not to give into rising lust have a distinctly Japanese feel to them. Those are a few of the things hentai does very well in contrast to Western porn and this game benefits greatly from it.

Yeah we are not gonna agree on this fully, but rape is the only correct word for forced domination. I used mental cause it does not go physical far enough for it to call it a full rape attempt. Also trust betrayed, is the worst kind of situation. Especially due to the trust they had what she did and how she tried to do it is kinda unbelievable. You are free to disagree.

Still in my eyes the scene does not fit how Triss was built up in the earlier game and making it likely she would try a power grab like that or that she would be into that or mc would be. Remember my opening remark was not that scene is horrible. It was that it is weird. Big difference, last time I was this surprised in a game was when Nicole was suddenly dp'ed in Angel of Innocence when you would pick her up for a date and my MC went this is hot. Agreed that was a way worse surprise as this one that is at least avoidable. Still I think the dev would have done his game a way bigger favor if it had been a vanilla scene, no sex scene or sex with another girl scene as what he was trying to do here for whatever reason and then only gave the femdom fans action

 

[Naxos]

I love the game to the bits. From animations to character designs, facial expressions and writing are top notch imo. But I don't understand one thing. Why does the dev try to turn every character into bisexual? Like the first Kiara-Zoe thing came. Then the dev clear the situation about they won't have sex and Kiara is not lesbian or bisexual and give us a choice. Then the latest update Alison and Jill was starting to have sex. Like why? Why every character needs to bisexual? Because it's a harem game? I mean not every character needs to be bisexual because it's a harem game imo. We didn't see anything about Alison or Jill likes girls or anything pointed out that they are bisexual then suddenly Alison and Jill kiss in the mouth and Alison started to finger Jill in the pussy. I mean I'm not against girl on girl fun here and there but it t feels kinda forced lately in this game. I mean I know you can prevent this by not going for Alison but the situation is weird. It's like if you go for Alison, she must have sex with Jill... Anyways I think it's still a great game despite this thing

I must agree. I've seriously started hating bisexual girls in games just because it's so over used and like in every single one. Didn't want to mention because I felt like I'd piled on enough about this update earlier. I don't remember Alison starting to finger Jill but that might be because I went the solo route on Kiara or maybe I just clicked through fast. Then there was the ending with Triss and Kiara dressed sexy on the bed... after that last Triss scene and the developments with Jill and Alison I'm not looking forward to that and have zero faith that Kiara won't end up being bisexual or les.


Edit: I relieased after replaying the update several times for various reasons, I missed the fingering start with Jill and Alison, because I clicked through the transition to fast instead of letting it play out.

 

[BoltonGuy35]

So no sexual content unless you go down the being dominated path with Triss?? I turned it down and it went straight to Kiara finding them asleep on the bed??

 

[DA22]

So no sexual content unless you go down the being dominated path with Triss?? I turned it down and it went straight to Kiara finding them asleep on the bed??

Nope, either you let MC get dominated for whatever reason or as a bad boy you are sent to bed without any action.

 

[BoltonGuy35]

Nope, either you let MC get dominated for whatever reason or as a bad boy you are sent to bed without any action.

Nooooooooo it so ain't fair...
I'm going to spit my dummy out now and go to bed

 

[Naxos]

I don't know where people are drawing the conclusion that Triss is suddenly a bitch.
Something you have to understand as a developer, there is only so much you can fit into an update and keep the plot going.
This update, AV could fit in 3 sex scenes, and had to end the update story wise where he did while paying off the 3 relationships he could.

He decided to include a (very light) femdom scene for Triss.
If you actually play the scene you would know what I'm talking about.
Each time she does something, you get her internal monolog showing how unsure she is of herself doing this and how she NEEDS to be in control right now to keep herself from giving into the MC.
She mentions that from the research she did on the internet, it shows men like this, and if you look at femdom stuff... yeah, it be like that. lol

She doesn't "Throw a fit" if you disagree, she instead suggests that they just cuddle with her and the story moves on.
Would it be great for an alternative scene (where Triss is submissive instead) to be here if you were not interested in femdom? Absolutely, but considering AV had to keep the story moving to resolve the plot in 2 more updates, I don't begrudge him not putting in that extra work.

Same thing for the les scene with Mom&Aunt, he's working toward a harem ending and only has given himself 2 development cycles to wrap up a very large story I'm sure he was hoping could go on for a long while and I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have a satisfying wrap up of the story then alternate H-content.

Also, the developer isnt just abandoning this game.
He sees there isnt much support so decided to end things here and move on to trying something new because financially speaking, the game is a not successful despite this being one of the best HS VN's I've ever played. That combined with him being a 1 man developer, balancing college, he's obviously self conscious about making sure the translation is good but has no one to do so now, and the hordes of backlash he gets each update... I do not blame him at all. That's stressful when you are already balancing so much else in our life and just trying to put out a quality piece of smut for people to enjoy.

Again, I really hope AV decides to continue this story and instead just shelves it to come back to later because I truly do love this VN.

I don't think anyone has said Triss is a bitch... people have said it was out of character which it totally was. That the scene came out of nowhere and her reaction to not submitting was poor, which it was.

For me the biggest issue was the lack of alternative, and yeah her reaction if you didn't like it was bad.. she didn't want to cuddle or anything... she said it's best if both just go to bed ALONE. Though weirdly they do end up alseep together, which I just wrote of to a dev error, because she clearly said ALONE. If I had a lover that had that reaction after a bad kink attempt she'd be kicked to the curb. The whole thing was rushed. Triss read guys like it, they can talk and he can say it's great she's keen to try something but it's not his bag and the have normal sex or normal oral. I didn't have an issue with it till the slapping started. I HATE femdom more than I hate les and bi stuff but not as much as NTR; I was a loud voice in the whole Kiara/Zoe helping thing and even joined pateron to vote on the matter. Even though I voted against the Zoe thing I still tried it and was rather surprised, so I thought I'd try the the Triss thing, but once the slapping started it was time to reload.

I get the lack of alternative is due to dev time and it's a shit ton of work to do alternatives, so if that's an issue you drop the one that appeals to the smaller percentage. If there had been no femdom you wouldn't have people complaining about the lack of alternative.

One thing I do whole heartedly agree with you on is " this being one of the best HS VN's I've ever played." which is why I'm so vocal about it when I think the dev has missed a step. The other huge overlook in this update and in fact the last 2 or 3 has been the total abondonment of teh Lila story line.