I changed it, but it didn't work. Maybe I did something wrong?That 'minion_id' needs to be 'room.minion.id'. Although why you have minions when you're so poor is a mystery.
Edit: You should go visit the sperm bank... er, the Witch, or something.
I'm guessing it's supposed to be some sort of life style thing like, shes a pampered shite that's never known hardship so giving birth comes down on her pretty hard. I can see why now there can be so many bugs though, with how important grammer is- the irony isn't lost on me there, I'm going to leave it as it is. I don't know how some one could find this uninteresting though, in fact sourcing game assets like art and what have you seems like the pain when all you need for this is a tool to edit the code with.
Traps can be lost, true. Minions are not lost, and you can also temporarily turn your girls into minions while you rebuild. That's exactly the point: lair movement is a risky business and requires extraordinary effort on your part.
Okay, but even then your point is missing the fact that the smallest 'increment' is zero.
You'll get the dragon.fear modifier that basically grows with size. In other respects, a big bad sleeping dragon is an incentive to run away whenever you can.
I guess that's where we disagree on the basics. A trap works both ways, the girls don't get any special 'trap tours'. That's also how it worked in the original Defiler Wings, girls getting killed by traps while escaping. At least here they don't even try.
My concern is not a tiny wimpy dragon, it's any dragon at all. Dragon fear will only work to a degree, and if the girl is some sort of warrior-type (i.e. has some 'power'), she can suppress that fear somewhat. To be absolutely sure, you need guards, or traps, or cages, or pits or another sort of security measure that works while you sleep.
There's no universal lair, that's the beauty of it. The Forgotten Temple is angel-proof, the Abbey and Underwater Palace are demon-containing, the four Giant castles work on all but angels, demons and the respective girl type, Impregnable Peaks only let angels and demons escape.
In my experience, games that make core features optional don't become better for it, even if at first glance it looks like they should. This basically amounts to saying that 'don't use the security buildings unless you want to larp as a nest-building dragon'. Players optimise this kind of stuff.
No, there's a message in date.rpy (search for 'girls_breeding_death'), the actual birthing and stat-draining mechanics in 'lair - classes.rpy' and room unlocking in Main_story_quests.rpy. And the image to go with the message is 'bg event breeding_death.webp', which definitely has some serious tentacle action.
Well, I suppose you could just add 'self.added_chance_per_birth = 0' at the end of girl generation. That's in Girl.rpy, roughly line 313. Mind the indents. I'm not really certain why you'd want to do this, though. You can skip pregnancies for your favourites, and if some of the others die, so what? This is a pseudo-medieval setting, this kind of stuff happens regularly.
Yeah, nobles aren't as hardy as the others. 'Princess' is a misnomer, the 'princess' origin covers all sorts of nobility, not just royals. Currently, I think the first birth is 'free' and the next goes up by the percentage. I'm changing it so the first birth has a failure rate as listed, and the increase is only 10% of that percentage. You're probably going to dislike that even more.
Nah, most of the current bugs are just lack of testing and tiredness or forgetfulness on my part. You've seen nothing of how bad and well-hidden a proper bug can be.
Say this again when you've done it for six months.
I'm actually taking a break from my other mod with Deranged Dragon, because it's at least an order of magnitude simpler.Probably, because it worked for me. Post your 'lair - classes.rpy' so I can take a look.
Well no, in the context of my argument it would be the smallest number before nothing.
Well no not really, fifty years of dragon rape would likely steal any spirit from them
Well again no, you would still need everything like that for what it should be for in my opinion defending against the knight and stopping the thief. You yourself have already outlined what it would take to ensure no one would escape and it didn't seem like much so seems like what's the point going to that hassle when you could just have it that the girls can't escape.
as I've said you would use the defense for what they should be for stopping people from getting it although I suppose any sufficient defense capable of doing this would also be able to keep girls from running away so what's the point. Nice.No, there's a message in date.rpy (search for 'girls_breeding_death'), the actual birthing and stat-draining mechanics in 'lair - classes.rpy' and room unlocking in Main_story_quests.rpy. And the image to go with the message is 'bg event breeding_death.webp', which definitely has some serious tentacle action.
Yeah I found it
I'm playing with it now but it still seemed to rise none the less and I did because I suspected it would be a smaller job, which it would seem that it is, that is. It's simpler to switch all of the girls switches to 0 than it seem to completely change the tentical pit. Your right of course, birth back then often meant a death sentience reality is cruel but remember, this is a video game and I play it to escape harsh realities not o be reminded of them. and this isn't a fun mechanic but we've discused this already. The girls in my lair the only girls are girls I want so if any of them die that's bad so not impregnating or being intimate with any of the favorite girls means not impregnating or being intimate with any girls. I know you've said about making it possible to be with them without getting the pregnant but I don't have that update yet Right now a lot of the changes I'm making aren't even anything I will even make again I'm just practicing.You're not wrong, seems like over killYeah, nobles aren't as hardy as the others. 'Princess' is a misnomer, the 'princess' origin covers all sorts of nobility, not just royals. Currently, I think the first birth is 'free' and the next goes up by the percentage. I'm changing it so the first birth has a failure rate as listed, and the increase is only 10% of that percentage. You're probably going to dislike that even more.
People are going to burn through their girls fast. Which is a shame if they don't want that but I suppose it's fine if that's the desired effect, that is I mean if getting through girls quickly is what you want. I'm not sure why you would want to get through your girls that quickly when already it feels pretty fast. You can already get rid of a girl in so many ways (eating, freeing, escaping., etc) I don't think you need to speed the process up any haha
Which doesn't really matter, because you'll pretty much only hit that exact number by accident. I was under the impression you meant it as a lower bound, to show that you always need to be wary of escapes. Which isn't true, if the actual lowest number is zero.
As it currently is, even 5 years of dragon rape will kill them stone dead via miscarriages or being tentacled to death. Unless you let them 'recharge' by torturing other girls, which will certainly perk their mental fortitude up a bit as well.
The point is exactly making sure you don't skip the 'hassle'. Think of it as uprooting your base in an RTS. You'll have to rebuild your power structure, your barracks, other stuff... And the enemy (Knights and Thieves, in this case) is not waiting.
The point is needing that infrastructure, and having to be extra-careful when events conspire to strip you of it.
Then you probably mishandled something. Or the entire 'delicate princesses' bit wouldn't be able to work at all.
Of course. But you're stripping yourself of an important gameplay mechanic by going the route of least resistance.
Sure, games are a form of escapism and usually I'd agree with you. But the theme of this game is causing destruction and suffering as an immoral, rampaging, sex-crazed dragon. Having your victims die while laying your eggs is entirely consistent with it. I understand that you want an, erm, 'cuddlier' dragon, and I'm willing to tell you how to achieve that. But I'm not changing the tone of the game or the mod just for you.
The change is not so much focused on killing girls, but on making Tentacle Pits feel special and powerful when you finally get access to them. And some minor 'realism'.
Then my argument stands it's just 50 years with breaksAs it currently is, even 5 years of dragon rape will kill them stone dead via miscarriages or being tentacled to death. Unless you let them 'recharge' by torturing other girls, which will certainly perk their mental fortitude up a bit as well.
It's still happening isn't it.Er my argument here was in the context of your own point that is, worrying that having the dragon able to intimadate the girls to not running away was going to blitz your entire base building re-work, and I was arguing that keepin the girls in check wasn't the sole reason for building a base which you've just provedThe point is exactly making sure you don't skip the 'hassle'. Think of it as uprooting your base in an RTS. You'll have to rebuild your power structure, your barracks, other stuff... And the enemy (Knights and Thieves, in this case) is not waiting.
The point is needing that infrastructure, and having to be extra-careful when events conspire to strip you of it.
Edit: And upgrading it when the Knights become too powerful, or you get access new girls, or want to donate all your guards to the Army of Darkness or the Lizard Tribe.
again with your next point I'm worried your not paying attention to what I'm saying. "Your doing this too yourself as I've said you would use the defense for what they should be for stopping people from getting it although I suppose any sufficient defense capable of doing this would also be able to keep girls from running away so what's the point." this whole point was about what's the point of having the defense effect the girls escaping when the defense capable of doing so you'll have for stopping the knight or thief. I wasn't advocating removing the need for defense here.Yeah I don't understand what I did, all I did was change those values to 0 but I left the last one as 20 as it didn't have an identification next to it.
Your not wrong, as I've stated though changing the girls stats to 0 seemed a lot simpler than completely changing that room. At least until I figure out how to do more. I only started looking into these things an hour ago
Edit: I actually don't want to turn off birth deaths I couldn't care less about deaths or escapes, I just don't want it to effect a select group of girls.Again you've missed it
I couldn't care less about any other girls outside of my favorites list. There is a select group of girls I don't want to lose that's it. Because losing them is a pain. This is why I was suggesting a favorites list so you don't lose the mechanics you enjoy. I don't expect you to change anything for me I haven't expected anything from you it was nice to have the fairy thing in cluded but as you've stated before (in regards to reloading saves to undo something) the things you do, you do for yourself and that's fine I know you in cluded my request because you directly agreed with it. It would be nice sure, because as I've stated losing your favorite girls doesn't appeal to me, don't know why it'd appeal to anyone. Regardless of weather your a dragon or not, sure it wouldn't feel broken up about it ether like a player would but it would notice the absence of it's favorite fuck toy. Even dogs that don't possess any sentience still notice the absence of a dog it was raised with or even it's favorite chew toy.
Not really, because of
The breaks would actually be 'rest breaks'.
Pretty long ones, too.You were advocating obsoleting the escape-preventing part of it.
The last one is there just in case, so 'custom' origins won't crash. But I told you to just add a line at the end which would have overridden all of them.
I just proposed changing the flavour text. 'Magical maternity ward', 'drains some life power to guarantee the mother survives', 'taught to the Dragon by the Mistress', 'any King would envy this', or whatever tickles your fancy. So you don't have to feel dirty when putting your girls in there.
It doesn't exactly appeal to me, either. What I want out of it is to be forced to make a significant effort to set things up so that my 'harem' is safe. Not just terrorise them for a little while and, bam, all the problems are gone, forever.
Don't impregnate them, or put them in the incubator when they're about to give birth. If they're so special to you, show some care towards them. Not the 'I love you' care, the 'this vase will break if I drop it' care.
If someone was to torture you on again off again for the rest of your life do you think you would be sane after that or as mad as a hatter.The breaks would actually be 'rest breaks'.
Your right, I was. but your argument was embellished claiming that it would undo the whole reason for your mod there hence why I said "Your doing this too yourself
as I've said you would use the defense for what they should be for stopping people from getting it" it=in.Yeah you did
however I had already made my changes well before hand this the time I got that message. I could have gone back however it's getting late and I need to get off What was it that had gone wrong with my change?Yeah I hazard a guess that's what you meant but I took it one step further, I was actually going to suggest you help me. I couldn't decided if at the end of there term they would lose a percentage of there maximum health and attack through simply the labors of child birth or if I would have there health drop to about a tenth of it's full health to simulate them being drained, as I stated I figured I would go the whole hog and change the whole thing to be relevant to the new dialogue in for a penny in for a pound.Not really, because of
I just proposed changing the flavour text. 'Magical maternity ward', 'drains some life power to guarantee the mother survives', 'taught to the Dragon by the Mistress', 'any King would envy this', or whatever tickles your fancy. So you don't have to feel dirty when putting your girls in there.
I couldn't agree more all I want for that very select group is for them to be safe (as I've said the rest can go climb a tree) it's just the means for which we disagree on, a lot of which you've cleared up for me and if you do in fact implement a way of having safe sex with them then it shouldn't be to difficult to have had your cake and eaten it too. I'll admit I understand your reasoning for not wanting to remove that escape chance even on those favorite girls however your proposal of micro managing them meticulously, switching them about, doing the hookie kookie with them seems a lot less about good hard honest work and more like, well micromanagement.It doesn't exactly appeal to me, either. What I want out of it is to be forced to make a significant effort to set things up so that my 'harem' is safe. Not just terrorise them for a little while and, bam, all the problems are gone, forever.
That's the core difference that makes me dislike your proposal.
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Don't impregnate them, or put them in the incubator when they're about to give birth. If they're so special to you, show some care towards them. Not the 'I love you' care, the 'this vase will break if I drop it' care.
The girl script looks okay. But remember, it'll only work for new girls, your old ones still have their previous values.
that's where I went wrong
Depends. Sometimes, people are suprisingly resilient. And that madness would most likely be more violent than submissive, if I'm allowed to torture others in the interim, which is really what we're discussing here.
I don't know where you got these impressions, but I think never made that argument. Instead:
If I gave a different impression, I'm sorry for the miscommunication.
That's your personal view of how things ought to work. It's not how it worked in DW, in base TfT, in the mod or in common-sense reality (barring special circumstances). It's a largely gameplay-based invention, which is fine if your game is built around it, but not the case here.
Since normal pregnancies don't do anything of the sort, and should actually be even more dangerous, I'm not really sure why you'd want to change the default behaviour. The building helps girls deliver, the dangers lie in long-term exposure, which are there to counterbalance halved pregnancy time, not safe birthing.
I happen to like micromanagement a lot. Way too much, probably.
And that micro only exists because a) I want to keep the special girls separate, lest I forget who they are; and b) before my lair has full-on defenses no girl can escape from. After that, there's no need for micro, unless I actually want to see them in battle or improve them by draining other prisoners. Some clicks aren't too high a price to pay for a 'waifu' that's getting better as time goes by, now are they?
And obviously any other RTS where there is an attacking force.
When you consider you earlier arguments against my arguments for removing pregnancy death out right.
You might be happy as an air traffic controllerI happen to like micromanagement a lot. Way too much, probably.
Not all of them. I semi-recently played They Are Billions, and there were some nasty anti-zombie traps in a hero mission that zapped the hero as well. Anyway, that falls under 'your game is built around it', since otherwise you'd be adding more micro to an already micro-heavy genre.
My point is that the 'body can't cope with it' is already abstracted into the 'death at birth chance'. If you add another mechanic on top of that, you're doubling down on this feature. If you want an exacting simulation, fine. But it's not something that's absolutely necessary. All the relevant outcomes and ways to mitigate them are already covered, it's just simulation for simulation's sake. I occasionally do that, but only when it doesn't get in the way of gameplay too much.
My desire for bloodshed is fully satisfied by having unsupervised women occasionally die during childbirth, no need to simulate it in all the gory details.
Too much slave-driving and not enough job satisfaction, as far as I can tell.
I'm halfway there. I filtered out a big pile of Opala and Farah pictures, and will probably go with them since I have no other good queen candidate, even if they gals are obviously imported from the Sultanate.
It's not doubling down because it's safe birth, what you are paying for now is the guarantee of a safe birth. If there was still a chance they could die on top of a 'cost' of childbirth then it would be doubling down surely. Although I suppose your covering the cost of a safe birth just buying the room.
Ah, I see. What's Hakim Ibn Hakim. Do you mean like a slave trader sort of deal? Why not just sell them to the witch to become dolls.I'm halfway there. I filtered out a big pile of Opala and Farah pictures, and will probably go with them since I have no other good queen candidate, even if they gals are obviously imported from the Sultanate.
I've spent way too much time on finding some replacement Witch pictures, too. She'll get to be the Sorceress from Dragon's Crown, the same one that's already in the 'ritual' picture.
I'm also thinking about adding Hakim ibn Hakim as someone you can sell your surplus girls to.
