Mod Ren'Py Abandoned Time For Dragons - Defiler Wings: Deranged Dragon Mod [29-07-2020] [Jman]

[Minyon]

Keep getting CTDs from certain things.

One when I'm in a shop, and I click the "sell everything" button. It seems to have something to do with the thief taking a bunch of my items, but they're still showing up in my treasury or something.

The one here happened while I was fighting one of the bosses from the darkwood edge. I'll try to recreate the other one if I ever get the chance, but I'm obviously not actively seeking out these.

 

[Jman9]

On that note, the quest that has you gather 200000 gold coins is a tad insane

That's the point. Used to be one million.

there's nothing in the game that's worth you actually having, let alone spending such amounts of coin in the first place

Buying an army of 200 000 goblins in loincloths? Getting 10 000 girls grom Hakim? You can always find ways to spend money in an extravagant and pointless manner.

And a good-sized dragon wants a bed of 200k, easily.

the aformentioned amount is probably chump change when it comes to equipping a large enough army with good enough equipment

I think 200k gold will fully equip a '100k goblin equivalents' army to the max.

Now that I think of it, hiring the buggers could probably see a cost increase, too.

Part of me wonders though if we're going to get an inventory system that allows the dragon to equip armour

The one time I significantly modded an inventory system took so much effort I'm not really keen to repeat the experience, especially starting from scratch.

So, not very likely. Basically, evolutions are your equipment, in a sense.

it is probably thinking that wearing armour or using suplementary equipment is an admittance to it not being good/strong enough to beat its enemies

That's a good point, but (especially self-made) magical trinkets are probably fair game. Armour is iffier.

going after strong animals to eat and using the witch's rituals to improve oneself in preparation for a battle or an upcoming threat falls under the same category

Ripping the heart out of your prey and eating it is entirely fine. That's just good dieting.

And the Witch is, well, special in many ways. I can see a prideful dragon balking at the notion he needs magical, er, 'performance enchancement', though.

One when I'm in a shop, and I click the "sell everything" button.

Never happened to me, and I tried one of zzczys's old saves and nothing was wrong there, either. So I'd appreciate a save or at least a traceback.

It seems to have something to do with the thief taking a bunch of my items, but they're still showing up in my treasury or something.

Tested, shouldn't happen.

The one here happened while I was fighting one of the bosses from the darkwood edge. I'll try to recreate the other one if I ever get the chance, but I'm obviously not actively seeking out these.

More of Eliont's bugs. The Antelopes were missing a critical effect for the pseudopod attack. Use the attached file for new games, and console 'darkwood.encounters['antelope']['target2']['crit_effect'] = {}' to fix ongoing games.

Incidentally, Darkwood seems to be exempt from difficulty scaling. Will be fixed.

And thanks for spotting those!

 

[Minyon]

More of Eliont's bugs. The Anrelopes were missing a critical effect for the pseudopod attack. Use the attached file for new games, and console 'darkwood.encounters['antelope']['target2']['crit_effect'] = {}' to fix ongoing games.

Incidentally, Darkwood seems to be exempt from difficulty scaling. Will be fixed.

And thanks for spotting those!

This fixed it, thanks.

As for the other one, I recreated it. After getting a bunch of things from the antelope, I slept for a month and got a thief visit. Instead of going after the jewels I got from the antelope, they went for my gold. And then, when I went to sell the jewels, I crashed. But now I have a traceback at least.

 

[Jman9]

As for the other one, I recreated it.

Try the attachment. Rushed it. Try again if you did so before the edit. Should also fix some minor issues with the Thief's loot list, but not ignoring jewels altogether.

Instead of going after the jewels I got from the antelope, they went for my gold.

Can you provide me with a save where that happens, too? This is really not intended behaviour.

 

[PariahLies]

I feel like the mermaids need nobility of their own. A more fitting prize for taking over the underwater palace than a normal mermaid which you can get quite easily and relatively early via other means. What they could lay eggs to would be a kraken or possibly some sort of leviathan-equivalent as a virginity-empowered egg and naga as normals.

 

[Jman9]

Have you taken a look at what you get from the Underwater Palace? As far as breeding goes, the Triton's mate is about 50% better than the common bints.

The primary bottleneck here is (again) pictures. DW indeed had a 'Siren' subtype in addition to mermaids that gave better spawns. Getting a Kraken minion in the game is also not that hard. But mermaid pictures for pretty much everything are already deficient (especially dragon sex), and creating extra 'girl packs' is not an easy task.

If someone makes at least a dozen packs that are sufficiently distinct from mermaids, plus portraits and miscellaneous pictures, I'll reconsider. Until then, you'll have to live with the current mermaids.

I could improve the 'special' mermaid a bit, but I don't really want to get into a situation where a mermaid and another mermaid are worlds apart in terms of statistics.

 

[PariahLies]

I see... Perhaps I'll go on a hunt at some point.

Would an octopus-girl be sufficiently distinct from mermaids? I think tentacles have to be a part of them in some way if they are to be the Triton's mate(judging from both the background pic and battle card) as well as possibly giving birth to a kraken. And judging by some images used in some other girl types I'm also assuming that there doesn't absolutely have to be a dragon in the pic but it would be better if there were and that having a human do the dicking is an absolute last resort(judging by one or two mermaid pics, more specifically the ones that look like Ariel).

 

[Minyon]

Can you provide me with a save where that happens, too? This is really not intended behaviour.

I started a new save because I figured it should fix the problem cry: 1.5k health dragon gone. Reduced to atoms).

I think it may have been because I had had a full inv at one point, and I tried to go over it (?). Don't know, only that it started after I looted the capital and a dwarven kingdom before going into darkwood for the first time.

But if I encounter the issue again, I'll attach it here.

 

[Jman9]

I don't think tentacles are necessary, but I have nothing against them, either, if you can find enough quality pictures. A quick trawl tells me there's the same problem as with slime girls: most of the octopus girls are way too goofy. But I didn't really take an in-depth look.

The Triton has tentacles around him, not necessarily as a part of him. And dragonspawn can have all sorts of features not necessarily found in the parent species.

The 'Ariel cum' picture was indeed an extreme last resort, since it was one of the very few high-quality mermaid pictures I had. Tentacles can pass as the dragon in a pinch.

Minyon: Maybe you still have an auto-save somewhere?

Edit: I don't think there's a 'full' inventory. There's only an extremely crowded inventory that might slow the game down etc.

Edit2: I boosted the 'Merprincess' stats some more, so they're slightly below ice maidens and firelings.

 

[PariahLies]

Right, so it turns out it's kinda easy to find royal-looking mermaids(excluding the Ariel-with-a-crown images). But just like the dwarves, actually finding images of mermaids in general getting fucked by something at least resembling a dragon is turning out to be an issue(and finding sites that have a lot of mermaid or merfolk material to comb through in the first place that aren't furry(not that there's anything wrong with furry, just that this game's style doesn't strike me as such)). Guess I'll just have to be satisfied with a boosted normal mermaid.

 

[Jman9]

Tentacles or a largely out-of-the-picture colored brutes would be fine, too.

And if you already went the trouble, you can always make a few mermaid packs, royal or not. More variety is always welcome, and making packs for the mod is dead easy.

 

[PariahLies]

Eh, I'll just share what I naively already went ahead and edited for their captive images, as well as those I thought might be worth as part of the general sex images or whatever. Perhaps you'll find some use for them.

 

[Nolalot]

They have some discord server?

 

[Jman9]

They have some discord server?

If 'they' means Eliont, the creator of the reboot, then

You must be registered to see the links

.

If 'they' means Jman, then no. He uses this thread as a proto-discord. The number of people who are even aware of the mod's existence is too small for a Discord group to take off.

If 'they' is the original creator of Defiler Wings, The Old Huntsman, I have no idea what he's up to these days. MER seems to have died a quiet death a few years ago, his Patreon is all but abandoned, his GitHub is only a little better. He could be dead or gravely ill for all I know, and I never had any direct contact with him.

 

[PariahLies]

What are your future plans for the mod?

 

[Jman9]

Medium-term: make it to '1.0', which means (in addition to stuff already implemented since November, like automated sacrifices, demon gate rebalance, inviting knights and thieves over, etc) :

• Make sure the 'hunt for lairs' option works.
• Implement the demon (girl) events.
• Implement the elven adventuress events.
• Do some extra digging options.
• Complete a minor rebalancing, mainly lair weights and minion elements/resistances.
• Polish a few bits of UI.

Longer-term (which may be never, or two years from now, or just two months, who knows?):

• Steal some dragonspeak clips from Ravager and do a complete voicing of the dragon's lines.
• Ditto for girls.
• Round out existing avatar pictures so all colors are 'full' (right now only green and black are).
• Take a look at DW strings and port some more of them over (like origin-specific girl names).
• Consider giving minions the ability to 'hold down' captives, as they could in DW. Maybe boost some dragon stats as well. Not sure if it'll work out in the end.
• Add more 'dragon sex' pictures as I find them.
• Add more events, using a number of pretty nice pictures I've collected over time.
• Add some more girl packs.

 

[Minyon]

So, other than the archmage, which only shows up if you do things the right (or wrong) way when it comes to infiltrating the kingdom, are there any other "important" enemies that are weak to sound damage? Because I want to get heads that give digging, and I usually optimize my dragon to deal with opponents with certain weaknesses (acid, fire, magic) and I wanna know if evolving three steel heads is a good idea or not.

 

[Nolalot]

If 'they' means Eliont, the creator of the reboot, then

You must be registered to see the links

.

If 'they' means Jman, then no. He uses this thread as a proto-discord. The number of people who are even aware of the mod's existence is too small for a Discord group to take off.

If 'they' is the original creator of Defiler Wings, The Old Huntsman, I have no idea what's he up to these days. MER seems to have died a quiet death a few years ago, his Patreon is all but abandoned, his GitHub is only a little better. He could be dead or gravely ill for all I know, and I never had any direct contact with him.

Sorry for my English)
I mean Jman, soo bad he doesn't have one.

P.s. Old Huntsman was in this year on own discord Mist of Eternal Rome.

 

[Jman9]

So, other than the archmage, which only shows up if you do things the right (or wrong) way when it comes to infiltrating the kingdom, are there any other "important" enemies that are weak to sound damage?

Maybe the Dark Sister and Efreets, to some extent.

I guess I could make the Golem and Gargoyles weak to sound, sounds thematic enough.

Because I want to get heads that give digging, and I usually optimize my dragon to deal with opponents with certain weaknesses (acid, fire, magic) and I wanna know if evolving three steel heads is a good idea or not.

Digging can be had from paws as well. Anyway, steel heads are less about damage and more about protection. Sound is the third or fourth most commonly resisted damage type, so not ideal for offense.

 

[PariahLies]

Physical resistance is only really going to help you in common/easy fights for the most part anyway. The only actually hard/boss fights I know of that use physical to damage you is the dwarven champ and the pheonix so having a lot of steel heads is only really useful for them, along with magic and lightning heads for the champ(maybe acid for another dwarven related enemy if you don't have the minions for it), and fire and frost heads for the pheonix. Fire/magic/frost heads are what's going to be needed for a certain demon related battle, and other than those I say you can beat basically every other encounter with basically any head combination(assuming you have the health to tank for a bit). I can imagine physical resistance being useful for the final battle against the kingdom but I haven't actually gotten to that yet so I can't say for certain.

As a side note, I feel like certain parts need to scale with your size or at least keep up with it instead of being downgraded in their value as you get bigger. Wings and paws(might benefit from actually being called 'limbs') for example. I don't think your wings stay the same size as you get bigger so them losing their ability to keep you in the sky and take you off the ground shouldn't be all that affected, I can understand and like the bonusses from having more wings but generally the depictions of gigantic dragons have equally as gigantic wings and most of the time only a single pair. On the paws side, short paws only ever always giving +40 health becomes less and less useful/valueble as you become bigger, same goes for attack paws, the total value/worth of amount the give to you dragon's overall attack is less and less when your paws would realistically become even bigger and deadlier/more defensive(in the case of short) the bigger you got. If the cost of your size growth was modulated by whether or not you have wings or paws as well as the amount of them then their scaling in usefulness and value would be worth it. I won't argue for the removal or lowering of the amount of wings or paws you can have, but having more of them while they scale would incur greater costs to the player's size growth so they'll have to weigh in the pros and cons of having more vs being efficient with the parts. I haven't thought of how part usefulness would scale for heads but it may be more of the same sort of direction of thought.