Mod Ren'Py Abandoned Time For Dragons - Defiler Wings: Deranged Dragon Mod [29-07-2020] [Jman]

[Jman9]

I mean Jman, soo bad he doesn't have one.

What would you do with one?

Old Huntsman was in this year on own discord Mist of Eternal Rome.

Indeed, it appears there's a MER discord that's... largely not about MER? And Old Huntsman is quite alive if not terribly kicking.

Physical resistance is only really going to help you in common/easy fights for the most part anyway.

Sure, but you run into those a lot. And the steel head is almost custom-tailored for the big fights with the King and the Archmage.

The only actually hard/boss fights I know of that use physical to damage you is the dwarven champ and the pheonix

The Phoenix is physical? Guess I need to go and take another look at the critter...

Don't treants also do physical damage? Not that they're terribly hard or anything.

you can beat basically every other encounter with basically any head combination(assuming you have the health to tank for a bit).

That's a sizeable assumption. And do you mean solo, or with minions? Because a lone mid-sized dragon isn't going to be very tanky.

Anyway, minions will get nerfed and elements will become a little more specialised.

I can imagine physical resistance being useful for the final battle against the kingdom but I haven't actually gotten to that yet so I can't say for certain.

I don't think it's terribly different there. The Final Battle is more of an endurance contest if you're not relying on the Army. I have some small plans to make it a little harder than it currently is, like letting your current knight level up (or pick a random max-level knight if you lack one) and take a whack at you.

I feel like certain parts need to scale with your size or at least keep up with it instead of being downgraded in their value as you get bigger.

While you're right from a strictly simulationist POV, this would lead to further stat inflation. The dragon is perfectly capable of soloing a lot of fights as it is right now. The size limit is more about how many body parts you can have, not their size. You grow bigger, you grow more paws instead of bigger paws, etc.

The end result would be either boosting the dragon a lot, if the number of e.g. wings stays the same, or taking away some player choice if size upgrades always come with wing upgrades. I don't think this would be good for gameplay.

You can also think of four wings as a single pair of four-layered wings. You grow, you must strengthen your wings more than merely an increase to the surface area proportional to your size increase. The square-cube law and all that.

I could make another cosmetic option for 'single-winged' vs 'multi-winged' dragons, like there are single- and multi-headed dragons, but I'd rather implement new content instead of creating endless cosmetic options.

 

[PariahLies]

The Phoenix is physical? Guess I need to go and take another look at the critter...

Don't treants also do physical damage? Not that they're terribly hard or anything.

Physical/fire to be exact. If it were to become the probable magic/fire then players wouldn't need two kinds of head min-maxing for the end-game but considering the general direction of the game I doubt things are going to become easier for players.

Treants do physical yeah but at some point you become capable of incinerating them in a single blast and then they lose their status as a dificult enemy pretty quickly. Honestly I wouldn't mind 3 different kinds of treants. Bushlings for the more early game. The current treants can stay where they are as far as difficulty is concerned. And then some sort of ancient oak( or world tree, or corrupted oak(dark forest, wink)) kind of treant that's meant for a signifigantly larger and more combat capable dragon.

That's a sizeable assumption. And do you mean solo, or with minions? Because a lone mid-sized dragon isn't going to be very tanky.

Medium-sized dragon is not a tank, true. Monstrous and up sure, but if you're going to want to tank and chip away at a more difficult enemy's health earlier than that I'd say you're going to need a few sets of short paws.

As for solo or minions, tanking damage while your minions take care of things is a strategy, true, but as you get to the upper ranks of size and personal damage output you begin to need your minions less and less(with some events being better to do it solo, like the pissed off angel group and the archmage). A collossal dragon on normal difficulty for instance can solo everything(as far as I've come across) no matter its head combination, except for exceptionally hard bosses(archmage, pheonix, demon prince, dwarven champ).

I could make another cosmetic option for 'single-winged' vs 'multi-winged' dragons, like there are single- and multi-headed dragons, but I'd rather implement new content instead of creating endless cosmetic options.

If wings and paws were to, through the mutation menu only, get upgrades in size and strength that increase their effectiveness instead of requiring from the player to get more wings to fly as they get larger, it could work. But I agree with you that new content is preferable to increased cosmetics.

 

[Jman9]

If it were to become the probable magic/fire then players wouldn't need two kinds of head min-maxing for the end-game

Uh, fire/magic is harder than fire/physical, right?

Honestly I wouldn't mind 3 different kinds of treants.

Yeah, I should probably inflate certain enemies a bit. Just yesterday I thought about creating 'elder giants' of all varieties. It mostly comes down to finding good pictures, though.

Incidentally, can anyone suggest a name for an 'upgraded' ogre? Elder Ogres are disqualified, because I want Elder Titans and no repeating titles.

with some events being better to do it solo, like the pissed off angel group and the archmage

Doesn't that only work if you've got high fear? Otherwise, your dragon can't perform multiple retaliations and at least some throwaway minions are better than nothing at all.

A collossal dragon on normal difficulty for instance can solo everything(as far as I've come across) no matter its head combination, except for exceptionally hard bosses(archmage, pheonix, demon prince, dwarven champ).

Hmm, yeah, a big dragon is OP. Some of it is the spells, but he's plenty powerful even without those.

I don't really know what to do here. I don't want to take away the feeling of "Oh, shit, it's the Dragon, run!". But I don't also want everything to be a cakewalk, either.

Maybe take away the dragon's ability to parry attacks, as 'un-dragon' behaviour? Everyone else would continue as normal.

Harder difficulties are a bit different, but spells are still quite powerful there., and I don't think the end result is vastly different. Starting out is massively harder, yes, but not the endgame.

If wings and paws were to, through the mutation menu only, get upgrades in size and strength that increase their effectiveness instead of requiring from the player to get more wings to fly as they get larger, it could work.

That would also be mostly cosmetic, and the effort would be comparable. I'd still have to rewrite the blurbs and introduce special handling into all sorts of name-displaying functions.

I also quite like the effect that the dragon can eat himself so big he can't fly anymore.

 

[PariahLies]

Uh, fire/magic is harder than fire/physical, right?

For the most part, yeah. But if the pheonix were magic/fire then it would be slightly easier in the sense that now players only need one set of specially adapted heads to deal two end-game bosses instead of two for two. Think of it like currently you need physical, fire, and frost heads against the pheonix, and magic, fire, and frost heads for the demon prince. If the pheonix were magic/fire then you simply need the demon prince's setup to deal with both of them.

Incidentally, can anyone suggest a name for an 'upgraded' ogre? Elder Ogres are disqualified, because I want Elder Titans and no repeating titles.

Mountain ogre?

Doesn't that only work if you've got high fear? Otherwise, your dragon can't perform multiple retaliations and at least some throwaway minions are better than nothing at all.

It's not about the multiple retaliations(as you can tank solo and take out angels one by one or build yourself against magic/lightning and eventually beat the mage) but rather about the fact that I have several highly valuable minions that I do not want to lose against a repeatable battle that has no impact on the grand scheme of things, since the wizard always teleports away after the battle and attacks things that attack him(leading to at least two or so minions who're capable of even lasting against him dying).

I don't really know what to do here. I don't want to take away the feeling of "Oh, shit, it's the Dragon, run!". But I don't also want everything to be a cakewalk, either.

Maybe take away the dragon's ability to parry attacks, as 'un-dragon' behaviour? Everyone else would continue as normal.

More powerful enemies in general that're capable of dealing with the larger dragon sizes(bigger siege engines from the kingdom, more powerful mythical beasts from nature) would be sufficient I think. The dragon's power scaling feels like it's in a goldilocks zone(on normal at least) and I imagine most would like it kept that way.

As for taking away parrying, I feel like that would make the dragon, in a word, dumber, and would negate the need to level attack mastery apart from increasing your damage output. However, if the hardening scales spell was a tad more powerful and were to increase resistances against all elements of attack then it would be a nice tradeoff(trading free but unreliably random damage reduction for mana-costing but reliable damage reduction).

 

[PariahLies]

PS: I don't know if this fits your vision of an elder version of ogres but I found this and edited out the white background.

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[Jman9]

if the pheonix were magic/fire then it would be slightly easier in the sense that now players only need one set of specially adapted heads to deal two end-game bosses instead of two for two.

Well, okay, but physical resistances are always superiour, since you can stack them higher and you also have a spell to raise them if you're not maxed yet. With a fire/magic phoenix your setup will be less effective overall, even if you don't need to switch heads around as much. And it's probably pretty rare that people fight the phoenix and then immediately go to the demon endgame.

Mountain ogre?

But I don't want to make them go into the mountains... The best I have right now is Bull Ogre.

It's not about the multiple retaliations(as you can tank solo and take out angels one by one

While they get multiple strikes on the minion-less dragon.

You're right about valuable minions, but one can always hatch or hire some throwaway henchcritters.

The Archmage as a solo, multi-retaliating opponent is probably one of the few cases where any minions at all are largely a bad idea.

More powerful enemies in general

I'll see what I can do. It's going to take time, though.

As for taking away parrying, I feel like that would make the dragon, in a word, dumber, and would negate the need to level attack mastery apart from increasing your damage output.

Maybe. I'm looking at it from a purely gameplay POV, and the big thing with an endgame dragon is that he's got a giant chunk of HP, serious resistances and basically halved damage from parrying on top of those. He's also pretty much the only creature in the game who can level his attack mastery to absolutely crazy levels.

Edit: Attack mastery also protects you against being parried by others, so it wouldn't be only about damage, just without a defensive component.

However, if the hardening scales spell was a tad more powerful and were to increase resistances against all elements

The spells are already mildly broken as is, I really don't want to boost them any further. Witness the one-shotting of treants and all the physical-damage warrior types who are so much like wheat before the dragon.

The ogre picture isn't bad, but I might be able to do better. Ideally, I need two pictures, anyway, one for the battle card and another for the background.

 

[PariahLies]

But I don't want to make them go into the mountains... The best I have right now is Bull Ogre.

The mountain part was more a relation to their size. Mammoth ogre then perhaps, if you can find a good enough pic of an ogre who has sufficiently large tusks as a show of his age, or simply ancient ogre. Hilly giant perhaps if the intended ogre is big enough to be mistaken for a hill as he slept.

 

[Harpo123]

Cant complete "Study magic". Dragon ALWAYS "bit tired", even after full rest.

 

[Jman9]

Sounds like you might be missing Hotfix 3. Otherwise, post your save and I'll take a look.

 

[Harpo123]

Sounds like you might be missing Hotfix 3. Otherwise, post your save and I'll take a look.

Just copy "game" folder from hotfix archive, right? Done, but no effect.

 

[Jman9]

The poor little dragon in your save is all of angry, hungry and starving (edit: not to mention a bit tired on the, er, 'performance' front ). No wonder the Witch isn't taking him in.

Can you give me a save just before she says 'no, because', and state why you think she's mistaken?

 

[Harpo123]

The poor little dragon in your save is all of angry, hungry and starving (edit: not to mention a bit tired on the, er, 'performance' front ). No wonder the Witch isn't taking him in.

Can you give me a save just before she says 'no, because', and state why you think she's mistaken?

No mistake from witch, dragon can't restore full stamina. He have "2.9/3" after rest or something like. 2.5, 2.8, never full stamina. Even if rest more, than need for full rest.

 

[Jman9]

That doesn't matter, the Witch (and most game mechanics) rounds up. Edit: But only for fractional stamina. Other numbers could go either way. /edit Or rather, there's a fractional penalty that the Witch just ignores. This is not the reason she refuses you. In the save, the main reason is that the dragonling is frenzied, and the probable cause is that he's starving.

I'll include the ability to 'rest away' the fractional penalties in the next release, anyway.

 

[caju]

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The largest and most powerful Ogre within the entire kingdom is known as the Overtyrant, the current ruler being the infamously obese, Greasus Goldtooth. Below him stands a large collection of lesser tribal leaders known simply as Tyrants, and are typical the leaders of their own tribe or petty kingdom within the Mountains of Mourn. They naturally rise to rule and do so with an iron fist (literally, for Ogres commonly wear bladed gauntlets just for this purpose). The next largest Ogres under the Tyrants rule are known as Bruisers and these contenders for tribal power assume lesser command duties.

 

[Jman9]

The WHFB Ogres are kind of a different animal, thematically. DDM Ogres are classical solitary creatures that are not particularly interested in conquest or eating other sentient creatures. They might even be somewhat friendly towards the Kingdom at times.

So Tyrants are out. Bruisers aren't, but an Ogre Bruiser doesn't sound much like an upgrade to me...

 

[Minyon]

So, I looked over the script files to check how to tick certain events. Is it possible to get both Isabella and Marianne? I'm just wondering for a personal achievement standpoint or whatever.

 

[caju]

The WHFB Ogres are kind of a different animal, thematically. DDM Ogres are classical solitary creatures that are not particularly interested in conquest or eating other sentient creatures. They might even be somewhat friendly towards the Kingdom at times.

So Tyrants are out. Bruisers aren't, but an Ogre Bruiser doesn't sound much like an upgrade to me...

Bruiser, Brawler... just offering options and saving you a google search

 

[PariahLies]

So, I looked over the script files to check how to tick certain events. Is it possible to get both Isabella and Marianne? I'm just wondering for a personal achievement standpoint or whatever.

Yes. Just be sure to use the option of hunting down every traitor when you assume the king's form and talk to the general or whatever his role is instead of the treasurer or secrets dude and you'll at some point encounter Isabella's event. I'll assume you know how to get Marianne since the thing is kinda linear.

 

[PariahLies]

Would an ogre shaman be sufficient of an upgrade? I can imagine the older and wiser ogres wanting to supplement their strength with some magic, probably of an earth-shattering or boulder-throwing kind, perhaps even regeneration.

 

[Jman9]

Is it possible to get both Isabella and Marianne?

Just be sure to use the option of hunting down every traitor when you assume the king's form and talk to the general

Yes. You always get a shot at Marianne, and Isabella is available when you talk to the Marshal and pick one of the two more aggressive options. If you do what Pariah said, you'll encounter her mid-battle, and if you don't go all out, there's a somewhat different line of events.

Bruiser, Brawler... just offering options and saving you a google search

I appreciate your input, but it looks like I still have to crack open a thesaurus at one point.

Would an ogre shaman be sufficient of an upgrade?

I thought about ogre shamans or ogre magi, but decided against magical ogres in the end. An Ancient Ogre would be fine, but I want to use Ancient for Treants.