Ren'Py Completed Toro 7 [Ep. 7] [Tora Productions]

[dolfe67]

uh?

me complaining about the attractiveness of the female cast has absolute nothing to do with acceptance. the fuck is wrong with you?

we are talking about a porn game here in case you didnt notice. i am straight, i like my women without penises when iam jacking off.

having the only 10/10 chick in the game, while the rest of the girls are 6/10 at best, be trans is fine if you advertise your game as such. which didnt happen. hence my dissapointment. its not rocket science.

i have literally trans ppl in my life which i love and respect. gtfo here talking about acceptance and making this some woke victim olympics.

First the trans character doesn't have a penis, and there is a tag on the thread anyway. Then not every one has the same tastes as you, Aisha being the only one you like is your problem.

 

[affeimzoo]

First the trans character doesn't have a penis, and there is a tag on the thread anyway. Then not every one has the same tastes as you, Aisha being the only one you like is your problem.

no, thats not my problem. thats just my preference.

 

[moskyx]

no, thats not my problem. thats just my preference.

That somehow you feel it's dev's problem

 

[jI11jaCksjAkk]

I gotta know how they bring down the Company!

Yeah, but... A handful of stations deep below the surface of Europa. Each with a handful of crew. All completely dependent on the Company surface facilities and intersystem transport for food/water/resupply. They could certainly do quite a bit of subversion to slow/interfere/combat the Company's research and plans, but they are in no position to do much of anything else. So unless there was a time jump of many years where enough Toro station crew had had time to return to Earth and infiltrate the Company high up enough to be able to do anything significant, I don't see an easy path to continue the narrative in the direction of bringing down the Company. It certainly wouldn't be any of the characters we know except maybe the MC many years later.

I would also say that the management at Fox had a lot to do with it well

Well, certainly. A moving, inconsistent time slot and not airing the episodes in story order were a death knell for a new show. The smell test says Fox realized quickly that the tone was different than what they had hoped for from Whedon (too much diversity and not enough sexy teen girls) and did everything they could to bury it early before it gained too much traction.

Years ago, I saw a banner being pulled behind a small plane that said, "HELP FOR HOMEOSEXUALS" followed by a phone number.

It's an interesting thought to wonder how much religion-based hatred comes down to those people having poor reading/language/comprehension skills. For example, calling yourself "Christian" but somehow missing/misunderstanding everything that Jesus ever said or did about love and acceptance. Or with homosexuality specifically...what exaclty do they think was happening when a bunch of guys spent 40 days in tents out in the desert???

It reminds me of the phrase: The plural of anecdote is not data.

As Ted says when Dr. Sharon tells him that to be his mentor she must sometimes be his tormentor... I like that!

i am straight, i like my women without penises when iam jacking off.

And the whole entire world is just like you, so there should never be anything thought, written, produced, etc. that doesn't suit your individual taste! The fuck, world? How dare you dispespect this little boy in such a fashion? He is the only person in the world who matters!!! If he's not happy then dammit I quit!

thats not my problem.

The World: sadly, you are our problem

 

[affeimzoo]

... bla bla bla

what a fucking circus this thread is.

i love how you raging moron cut out the part of my quote where i explicitly say its ok to have that preference and focus in game.

like i know this is just a porn forum but the inability to just read and comprehend plain text of some of these intellectual giants in here is quite frankly astonishing.

 

[Turska]

what a fucking circus this thread is.

i love how you raging moron cut out the part of my quote where i explicitly say its ok to have that preference and focus in game.

like i know this is just a porn forum but the inability to just read and comprehend plain text of some of these intellectual giants in here is quite frankly astonishing.

I know this is just a porn forum but we should try to be civil. I think you are reading unnecessary malice into people's texts and lashing out because of that. I hope this is just (regrettably) normal internet behaviour and you are not like this in your face-to-face interactions. Getting angry will hurt yourself the most (and leads to the dark side).

 

[affeimzoo]

I know this is just a porn forum but we should try to be civil. I think you are reading unnecessary malice into people's texts and lashing out because of that. I hope this is just (regrettably) normal internet behaviour and you are not like this in your face-to-face interactions. Getting angry will hurt yourself the most (and leads to the dark side).

to nitpick an argument which wouldnt work without cutting out certain parts of what i wrote is malicious behaviour. there is no reading into it. its gaslightning and bad taste. although on second thought people like that are not even worth a reply.

good luck.

 

[Turska]

They are replying to the energy you give out. Tit for tat. You started it with your bafflingly aggressive reply to Tlaero.

 

[Tulrek]

to nitpick an argument which wouldnt work without cutting out certain parts of what i wrote is malicious behaviour. there is no reading into it. its gaslightning and bad taste. although on second thought people like that are not even worth a reply.

good luck.

 

[Gato21]

Any idea why sound was neglected in this game? Even if the dev didn't want a soundtrack, some ambient sound in the background would have added a lot to the experience. Do they just assume we all play games muted, or something?

 

[Abhai]

Any idea why sound was neglected in this game? Even if the dev didn't want a soundtrack, some ambient sound in the background would have elevated the game. Do they just assume we all play games muted, or something?

yup, majority of players do play actually (there was a poli in one game thread with a few thousands participants).
stop wasting time on sounds, or even worse "music", while it can be spent much better on actual storrytelling, rendering etc is the thing most of the dev should adopt.

unfortunately there are some devs thinking sound/music add "substance" to their games, and there are some players who think indie devs are huge studious with various resources, so adding meaningful "sound and music" is a piece of cake for them (not gonna comment on 99% of sounds and music in these games which are, with all due respect to those putting it in their games and those enjoying it, an utmost garbage quality)...if you wanna that level of wholeness do check movies/cinema, though lately those are garbage as well...even with all sound effects and its original (or not) music .

kudos to the devs of avn that focus on the main things and not spent their resources on some side things as musics/sounds are.

 

[cxx]

Any idea why sound was neglected in this game? Even if the dev didn't want a soundtrack, some ambient sound in the background would have added a lot to the experience. Do they just assume we all play games muted, or something?

well sexsounds sound just awful, music is tough to get (even free music license can prevent it's use in avn), adding sounds and music can increase devving time.

 

[Joshy92]

Not being able to romance Aisha as a dude reminded me of Dragon Age inquisition.
Where you couldn't romance Sara if you played as a dude

Why the heck do I always fall for the lesbian girls lol

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what the devs do next
This was a great game
And I'm glad It didn't drag on like a lot of games do

I think one of my favourite things about this game is the writing it's awesome imo

 

[Gato21]

yup, majority of players do play actually (there was a poli in one game thread with a few thousands participants).
stop wasting time on sounds, or even worse "music", while it can be spent much better on actual storrytelling, rendering etc is the thing most of the dev should adopt.

unfortunately there are some devs thinking sound/music add "substance" to their games, and there are some players who think indie devs are huge studious with various resources, so adding meaningful "sound and music" is a piece of cake for them (not gonna comment on 99% of sounds and music in these games which are, with all due respect to those putting it in their games and those enjoying it, an utmost garbage quality)...if you wanna that level of wholeness do check movies/cinema, though lately those are garbage as well...even with all sound effects and its original (or not) music .

kudos to the devs of avn that focus on the main things and not spent their resources on some side things as musics/sounds are.

Firstly, post link to poll or just "trust me bro."
Secondly, poll not definitive as much as you would like it to be.
Thirdly, you could say the same thing with any aspect that contributes to a game, visuals, branching, etc. It's just that according you own personal opinion that sound ranks lower on the hierarchy.
Lastly, GTA series to this day are still looked back with nostalgia due to their soundtracks. Is this feasible to the same degree by an indie dev? No, but it demonstrates the power of thoughtful sound design can have for a game.

well sexsounds sound just awful, music is tough to get (even free music license can prevent it's use in avn), adding sounds and music can increase devving time.

Agree, poorly implemented sound can negatively affect the experience, but so can janky animation, etc. Adding sound and music can increase dev time, but so can extra story, visuals, etc. What is the marginal cost/benefit of adding sound vs what you could spend that on something else? My guess is that some sound would trump a complete lack of it.

 

[cxx]

My guess, some sound would trump a complete lack of it.

true so ask from tiaero.

 

[Abhai]

Firstly, post link to poll or just "trust me bro."
Secondly, poll not definitive as much as you would like it to be.
Thirdly, you could say the same thing with any aspect that contributes to a game, visuals, branching, etc. It's just that according you own personal opinion that sound ranks lower on the hierarchy.
Lastly, GTA series to this day are still looked back with nostalgia due to their soundtracks. Is this feasible by an indie dev? No, but it demonstrates the power of thoughtful sound design can have for a game.

Agree, poorly implemented sound can negatively affect the experience, but so can janky animation, etc. Adding sound and music can increase dev time, but so can extra story, visuals, etc. What is the marginal cost/benefit of adding sound vs what you could spend that on something else? My guess is that some sound would trump a complete lack of it.

firstly - trust me or not, it is up to you.
if you are interested in the poli, do check/search this forum...i didnt consider it of such importance to bookmark it myself, just in case some "music lover" eager to discuss importance of music in avns can have quick look at it.
and even then, who says he will be satisfied with that result?
he can go on and go on, ignoring everything that doesnt fit his particular taste.

secondly - here we go - back to "firstly".

thirdly - are you even aware what are you writing? or do you think "avn" stands for "any view/taste/thing nmatters"?
yup, you are on something there definitely - renders, branching, plot...it is all subjective and doesnt matter for avn...at least no more than music/sound.

lastly, again, do read my post prior to throwing such "arguments"..or should i underline parts of it that are related to this "last point of yours"?

my point is and was - sound and music are secondary to avn world.
these games can go perfectly fine without it.
if applied properly ofc sound/music can enhance playing experience, yet in more cases than not, it doesnt happen for various reasons.
end of this mini-discussion, from my side at least...cause the bed is calling..louder and louder with each passing minute

 

[Gato21]

firstly - trust me or not, it is up to you.
if you are interested in the poli, do check/search this forum...i didnt consider it of such importance to bookmark it myself, just in case some "music lover" eager to discuss importance of music in avns can have quick look at it.
and even then, who says he will be satisfied with that result?
he can go on and go on, ignoring everything that doesnt fit his particular taste.

secondly - here we go - back to "firstly".

thirdly - are you even aware what are you writing? or do you think "avn" stands for "any view/taste/thing nmatters"?
yup, you are on something there definitely - renders, branching, plot...it is all subjective and doesnt matter for avn...at least no more than music/sound.

lastly, again, do read my post prior to throwing such "arguments"..or should i underline parts of it that are related to this "last point of yours"?

my point is and was - sound and music are secondary to avn world.
these games can go perfectly fine without it.
if applied properly ofc sound/music can enhance playing experience, yet in more cases than not, it doesnt happen for various reasons.
end of this mini-discussion, from my side at least...cause the bed is calling..louder and louder with each passing minute

"music lover" - Don't kink shame me bro.

 

[JJJ84]

Any idea why sound was neglected in this game? Even if the dev didn't want a soundtrack, some ambient sound in the background would have added a lot to the experience. Do they just assume we all play games muted, or something?

I mean, not that I have seen Ducky's poll, but several of AVNs actually are pretty much muted; there are some which do have soundtrack, sound effects as well, but that's completely dev's choice (and their endeavor with the whole music licensing, which does at times end up with a heartache for the dev that I've seen).

But seriously, music and sound effects have always been pretty secondary in my eyes, and were never things that I needed to enjoy a game (esp. AVNs); as long as the game has good characterization and world building that's all that matters.
Besides, it's not like soundtrack and sound effects always hit bullseye when devs implement them.
There are instances where soundtrack either doesn't really fit or becomes repetitive, and sound effects while at times can be amusing, can come off as pretty cringy and awkward also.

 

[Bloodguard]

Any idea why sound was neglected in this game? Even if the dev didn't want a soundtrack, some ambient sound in the background would have added a lot to the experience. Do they just assume we all play games muted, or something?

No audio at all? That's quite disappointing. With all the license free music out there, no audio these days seem pretty low-effort to me. I rate sound over animations, but if a game has neither? Damn.
Being super auditory, I am firmly in the camp that crappy music and sound is better than none at all.

 

[Gato21]

No audio at all? That's quite disappointing. With all the license free music out there, no audio these days seem pretty low-effort to me. I rate sound over animations, but if a game has neither? Damn.
Being super auditory, I am firmly in the camp that crappy music and sound is better than none at all.

Lol. I probably won't go as far as that, but I do consider music and sound an important part of design, going as far back as the beginning of gaming.

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