VN Ren'Py Abandoned Torrid Affairs [v0.01] [NoesisAndNoema]

[NoesisAndNoema]

Do some sort of Forest Gump introduction, where we see MC on the plane with a passenger, MC is talking to himself like a lunatic and the passenger next to him looking at him worried, once he notice the passenger is looking at him he says that he should start from the beginning

I didn't have time to build a plane, for that one-time shot... I'll come-up with something creative. Throw more ideas at me, I'm listening!

 

[Wayne]

Everyone is an adult in the story.

Correct, they would be deported, if they were "just there on a student visa". That is not the case. They are working for citizenship, and ALSO going to school, hosted through an exchange program. Again, you are relating only ONE of the MANY types of programs out there. There is not only one type of "exchange program". Though, they do fear being deported. The requirements are, usually... Sustain passing grades, and/or hold a steady job, with your diploma. They aren't from mexico. That is a whole other bag of worms. They fear ICE, not people from overseas. People from overseas didn't just swim-over on rafts, or run across the border. Not that they shouldn't fear ICE, but ICE is not as strict when it comes to those working here, or going to school here, and living in remote high-income locations.

You do your research, and know your shit... I'll give you that much. Your insight is appreciated, but a little nit-picky, for a porn game.

It, at-least, lets me know where I need more immediate elaboration.

Um HEllo That DOn't WOrk BEcause 1 WOrking For Cidersionship = Green Card EVen THan THey CAn Still Be DEported If thare GReen CArd Isn't Renewed Study Up on Us Immigration Laws and Visa LAWS

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[a1fox3]

Everyone is an adult in the story.

Correct, they would be deported, if they were "just there on a student visa". That is not the case. They are working for citizenship, and ALSO going to school, hosted through an exchange program. Again, you are relating only ONE of the MANY types of programs out there. There is not only one type of "exchange program". Though, they do fear being deported. The requirements are, usually... Sustain passing grades, and/or hold a steady job, with your diploma. They aren't from mexico. That is a whole other bag of worms. They fear ICE, not people from overseas. People from overseas didn't just swim-over on rafts, or run across the border. Not that they shouldn't fear ICE, but ICE is not as strict when it comes to those working here, or going to school here, and living in remote high-income locations.

You do your research, and know your shit... I'll give you that much. Your insight is appreciated, but a little nit-picky, for a porn game.

It, at-least, lets me know where I need more immediate elaboration.

Just tell everyone its just a game of fiction and be done with it you don't have to answer them you know.

So far its going pretty good story wise and I can't wait for more.

 

[User_17502]

Here is how I am going to handle all of the immigration laws and child protection laws.

I'm not.

My incest mod will focus on a College student coming back home after his freshman year.
He needs to work to make enough money to pay for his tuition and has asked his mother to board him till he can gather enough money.
But! He hates his new stepfather and his stepfather hates him (Main antagonist)
He loves his mother despite her idiotic choice to fall in love with this douchenozzle
He comes home to find that his family has changed alot. Something has happened that he doesn't like at all.
I won't spoil too much but I can say that he will be actively trying to pursue whatever goals the players wants.
Drawing from my experience of modding the Tryrant (Don't stone me! I'm almost done with the new update!)
I will try and make the choices meaningful. There will be several different paths that the players can take with each character.
Outside of the family the players has the option to pursue other women.
However since this is primarily and incest mod the noncest content will be supported much later.
All I can say is that I am excited to reveal to you guys what I have been stewing over the fast few months.
I am far from a full release but I can assure you that if you like my other work and if you like N&N's teaser,
You will love what I have in store for you.

Also if you have any suggestions or ideas feel free to drop by my discord and throw them out there. Its a little dead at the moment but that's because I'm working so damn hard on making the best shit I can.

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

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(work permit)

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Students and exchange visitors may, under certain circumstances, be allowed to work in the United States. They must obtain permission (work permit) from an authorized official at their school. The authorized official is known as a Designed School Official (DSO) for students and the Responsible Officer (RO) for exchange visitors.

That is also referring to "Full-time employment", (35+ hours a week).

How many illegal immigrants work in the USA?

How many people get paid under the table, or using another person's ID and SSN?

You did get to meet Dave, right? The shady guy who is doing shady things... Likely not a "law abiding citizen", who "doesn't want the law hanging around his shit"...

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

Focus on the sex....

Oh wait, there isn't any yet...

I knew I forgot something!

 

[a1fox3]

Focus on the sex....

Oh wait, there isn't any yet...

I knew I forgot something!

See that was the best answer so far.

 

[Zippity]

You quoted one specific "Government immigration program"... This is not a Government immigration program.

Here is an example...

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In Washington D.C. the average of about $437.00 a week is paid, to the HOST, for high-school students to be housed. Though, you can setup whatever you want for charges, through various "legal" methods.

Honestly, the requirements are simply that there are enough rooms, a clean background check, provisions for sanitation and food. I know two exchange students who have less than that. I also have a friend who went to school overseas, and she was literally forced to clean and stay inside her whole time there.

But, you will find that this setup is more like a "paid-bride" setup. That is why I brought that up. They are similar arrangements. That is 100% illegal, but it happens, a lot.

You are confusing two things, as one... The discharge (army issue) and the house-arrest (civilian charges).

I will try to make that more clear in the intro. (That is my fault for the overlap. I thought it was more clear than it was.)

He was 17, enlisted with his foster parents consent, with the agreement that he "make-up the missing funds". He could have enlisted as an emancipated adult, at 17 also. Or, under state consent, since he was a state-child adoption.

In any event, he is 18+ now, and discharged, which is a form of rejection and denial. Anyways, that was just art. He was discharged due to the "joke", which outed the senior-officer as a child-molester. (priest... I didn't know he even knew any boys) The government kept that under wraps, for obvious reasons. However, that left Gage with the "other charges", with how he pulled-off the "joke". That is later in the story. But that is why he was arrested, as a civilian, facing civilian charges, instead of military charges, which would have brought attention to the "child boy molesting senior officer".

When a person in the army gets a speeding ticket, heading to the base, he is charged (possibly, but likely not), by the state, for speeding. He may ALSO face charges/reprimand, by the army. The same works in reverse. If a person in the army hits a pedestrian, on base, he may be discharged and ALSO face civilian criminal charges. (Though, that too is not something done often.. they tend to have a 30-strikes rule. Thinking back to my step-father, who did that a LOT and got no punishment, just because he was in the navy. He retired as a senior-chief petty officer. Threw my ass across the room a few times too. I was a rotten step-child. lol.)

Then the "house-arrest", was the workings of Dave, and the strings he had pulled. Again, later-game expanded there...

Like I said, this is an actual "Story", not a porn-flick... Nothing will be instantly gratified in one line of text, or in one paragraph. Like a movie or an actual story, things build-up and get fully explained later. I am not trying to write a scientific novel, or state-law-aid here.

But, honestly, saying that a car-chase is unbelievable, because the "law states that speeding is illegal, and driving on the wrong side of the road is illegal, and cop-car chases are illegal", defies the reality of "why it is illegal", because "it happens a LOT", enough to warrant making a law against doing it.

It is also illegal for the U.S. post-office to throw away undelivered mail, but they do it, every Christmas.

Hazing is also illegal in the Military, but it is still done to almost every person, stepping-up in rank.

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Going back to the beginning of the game...

Presently, Gage is flying away, to get his head clear. He is talking to another passenger on the plane.

He starts to tell his story, of why he is leaving to get his head straight... But can't summarize it. So, he continues, in more detail.

Then the title shows, again, as he "gives you the long version", from that point forward. Saying, "this is a long flight, enjoy the story of my torrid affairs".
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I am open to suggestions, to have that made more clear.

I think there must be a communication glitch... You're game's story claims the two girls are Exchange Students, so the link I gave you applies to ALL High School level exchange student programs, regardless of who they are... The site you just linked, I think you misunderstand what they are... They are the actual host organizers of an exchange students program for students attending an accredited school in the US, not the actual Host Family that the student actually lives with... The organization receives money on behalf of the student from the parents, to cover costs and so on... The Host Family is not allowed, by United State LAW, to be paid (as in an actual income) any money or other incentives for being a Host Family... And the hosting organizers can not be the Host Family the student stays with...

In the case of this particular organization, they provide a Stipend to the Host Family (depending on the host package the Host Family signed up for, based on factors listed on the website, like distance from school, local food costs, etc) to pay for the food they are required to provide, gas they may need to use to provide transportation to and from the actual school, etc.)... If they want to provide anything else beyond those basic things, it comes out of their own pocket, no reimbursement... The student is allowed to have their own money for any other expenses they feel like paying for, but that is never given to the Host Family by the Student, without the students explicit consent to cover extra expenses they feel like paying for... If they don't want to pay for an extra expense, and the Host Family still wants to include them in what ever it is, the expense is on the Host Family's shoulders, not the student or the Organization...

So, the Host Family still do not make a profit or income off the exchange student staying there... All that Stipend is tied up in the living expenses covered by the package selected on the site... Only a small monthly tax deferment is actually accorded for the Host Family... As per the law... Got to read the fine print on the website you linked... They are in compliance with the law, at least at face value from their website... So my points are still valid, regarding the exchange students...

 

[a1fox3]

I think there must be a communication glitch... You're game's story claims the two girls are Exchange Students, so the link I gave you applies to ALL High School level exchange student programs, regardless of who they are... The site you just linked, I think you misunderstand what they are... They are the actual host organizers of an exchange students program for students attending an accredited school in the US, not the actual Host Family that the student actually lives with... The organization receives money on behalf of the student from the parents, to cover costs and so on... The Host Family is not allowed, by United State LAW, to be paid (as in an actual income) any money or other incentives for being a Host Family... And the hosting organizers can not be the Host Family the student stays with...

In the case of this particular organization, they provide a Stipend to the Host Family (depending on the host package the Host Family signed up for, based on factors listed on the website, like distance from school, local food costs, etc) to pay for the food they are required to provide, gas they may need to use to provide transportation to and from the actual school, etc.)... If they want to provide anything else beyond those basic things, it comes out of their own pocket, no reimbursement... The student is allowed to have their own money for any other expenses they feel like paying for, but that is never given to the Host Family without the students explicit consent to cover extra expenses they feel like paying for...

So, the Host Family still do not make a profit or income off the exchange student staying there... All that Stipend is tied up in the living expenses covered by the package selected on the site... Only a small monthly tax deferment is actually accorded for the Host Family... As per the law... Got to read the fine print on the website you linked... They are in compliance with the law, at least at face value from their website... So my points are still valid, regarding the exchange students...

Would you guys just stop it already, its a game of fiction and nothing else no real laws need not apply.

 

[supermanz95]

Welcome to F95 crash course discussions on migration and student/workers visas

 

[Zippity]

Welcome to F95 crash course discussions on migration and student/workers visas

Sorry

 

[partanen]

Would you guys just stop it already, its a game of fiction and nothing else no real laws need not apply.

Exactly! Ok, there need to be some kind of explanation why the situation is what it is, but as long as it makes sense anything goes in this reality Noesis and Noema creates. (These house arrest "punishments" are not credible (or make any sense) in my opinion (or by laws of my country), but if that's how people's free movement is limited as a punishment in this reality then it is regardless of real world's laws or practices...)

As an idea for further development: Add as much and as soon as you can more space where in game can be done something. For example: Garden (or nearest area around house). Nearest neighbour's house's fenceline. Some other neighbour's properties. Half mile or 500 meters of road plus busstop. And so on. And of course this will open bringing back to house and other scenes ("What the are you doing outside house, brat? -Oh, I was just trying to find pesticide to poison you, you asshole- Now get inside or do I have to kick you back?")

EDith: Also: How about changing that house arrest to obligation of reporting to some officer of law, local military officer or something in later stage of game. That would make much more sense in my opinion. (House arrest is good way to explain why movement is limited and why can't roam free but it simply doesn't make any sense. That curve of plot have always amused me as I've always thought it is a bit too useful excuse for game dev to explain why there's not much area in game. Well, I understand the reasons why it's so but still: How about you N & N make an exception? In early stage of development...)

 

[muttdoggy]

Agree with a1fox3. That long-winded, multi-quoted, immersion-breaking discussion over what's "technically legal" or not in this or that state entity "for the sake of immersion" actually does the opposite to many of us. Even some of us who are aware of the laws don't even care. We just want a good story in a good game with great visuals. Since it's a sex game, the relationships are the most important factor to most of us. Just say "he got in trouble while in the military -he was outing an evil man and it was covered up. As a result, he's now on house arrest." End of story.
You could focus on the family and he can have a side story about restoring his reputation which results in his house arrest being lifted and his military benefits restored. Which could mean a monthly stipend because of false arrest,etc. That could also unlock other locations and stories like "kicking stepdaddy out", "trips to the shopping mall or dates", and "visiting other bodies of water."
My point is.. who cares about the past? The game is about now and the future pussy, isn't it?

 

[K1ng]

I'll try this later. A question, is there more text in this thread than the game so far?

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

I didn't mind the interrogation... It is things like that, to me, that honestly do warrant further conversation. I opened-up that to advancement, when I launched the game early.

At-least it wasn't a troll-post.

- Okay, so the code has changed, to the use of the characters names, instead of sislil, sisbig, mom, aunt, dad and you.

- Removed some over-done eye-rolling. Added more smirks instead.

- Working on the text-boxes now, since my rig is running through some new renders. (I really need to setup my other computers and move some of this stuff to my NAS server.)

- I unlocked the "h" key, to hide the windows, but if it breaks things again, I am disabling it again. (It doesn't like clipped layers.)

- Adding some clarity to the beginning... Not building an airplane yet... But I have an idea in the works.

- Added a few more overlay artwork (on-screen people), including some disposable scenes. (I hate scenes that never get reused.)

- Created the first "on-screen navigation button", and started to setup the MAP for navigation.

I think that is all I picked-up on, in the threads. For me, I am also going to try and finish the house dissection and bathroom creation. I think I have enough to roll into the sand-box mode, even without doing them. It will just look odd with times of day being wonky and the ground being "dirt", instead of "grass" and without the plants in the yard.

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

I'll try this later. A question, is there more text in this thread than the game so far?

Yes, at-least 2000% more text, and at-least 10 more exposed nipples.

 

[K1ng]

Yes, at-least 2000% more text, and at-least 10 more exposed nipples.

Wow, this thread has a bad ratio of text to nips

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

Wow, this thread has a bad ratio of text to nips

100% blueballs...

 

[kiteares]

- Okay, so the code has changed, to the use of the characters names, instead of sislil, sisbig, mom, aunt, dad and you.

Thumbs up smilie? Damn the list on here is restricted....
:FuckYea:

- Working on the text-boxes now, since my rig is running through some new renders. (I really need to setup my other computers and move some of this stuff to my NASA server.)

Corrected....now you can get on with some serious rendering

- I unlocked the "h" key, to hide the windows, but if it breaks things again, I am disabling it again. (It doesn't like clipped layers.)

An alternative is a timed pause in simple changes of scene and a player controlled (space bar/return) pause for the more 'interesting' scenes.

I appreciate your interaction and think some of the posts did go a little far, but for those saying about it being fiction, all the time you have the Uncle Sam poster included, the MC is a US citizen and as the army seems to have some influence on the foster parents they are too or they are living in a US territory.
Sorry to @a1fox3 and @muttdoggy but for me, my brain went ahead and made that connection and niggled, it didn't stop me working through the rest of the demo and liking what I saw. Surely better to have this discussion (at least to some level) while this is still not a release version. Noesis is using us as alpha testers, no? Why not feed back to them as such? For me it's about helping make this the best it can possibly be so the most possible can enjoy it.

 

[muttdoggy]

You could say it's from a certain perspective, you like the game anyway, and would like to start a private conversation about some of the things you see. Who knows when help done right leads to collaboration on the game?