Unity Completed Train Your Ass With Elsa [v1.01] [Viznity]

[perleflamme]

I prefer "Train Her Ass - with Elsa " than "Train Your Ass - with Elsa"

I expect something unexpected with a title like that

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[Viznity]

Hello F95 users,

We wanted to clarify that the game misinterpreted. As Viznity, we are still an emerging game developer. We haven't come a long way in 2 years, as we've been trying to develop most adult play styles, including 2D and 3D. Generally, we are constantly developing prototypes and we do not publish them.

However, Viznity currently does not have an illustrator. It was not something to worry about as it is not required for 3D games. We wanted to develop a 2D game prototype from an existing asset instead of hiring an illustrator because we did not have enough budget.

Regarding this game, that's the exact same story that the artist done, animations are not from the dev etc...
I think that only the coding and (maybe) translations are original content, everything else is stolen. At the end, nothing more have been created, only stolen content and a biased Patreon button to gain money from it, that's not legit for me.

Contrary to what you said, everything is ours, except just the drawings and story. DryreL (Animation Artist) is working with us and we strive to bring Viznity to as many players as possible. Animations, sound effects, translations, game mechanics, GUI designs, coding and bug tests etc... are made by us. To say no "original content" here is to ignore all the things we do.

Since the game is no longer a prototype, we wanted to complete it and publish it to the gamers. We have sent a message to Aroma Sensei for this and we are still waiting for her reply. We also offered a job to develop a new game with her, and if she agrees, we plan to take part in a larger project that is planned to be released on Steam instead of such mini games.

I'm not sure you can call it unethical as we didn't make any profit on "Train Your Ass With Elsa". Not just its a free game on F95zone, but everywhere.

It is quite normal for you to naturally go to our Patreon page mainly, since we take care of everything except drawing. Besides, I do not agree that you call this a "theft" since her name and Patreon page are in the credits. Game development is a team work. On the contrary, it would be more appropriate to call it a "fan made" right now. It is up to you to support Aroma Sensei or Viznity. This game is a voluntary work.

Depending on Aroma Sensei's answer, the game can continue to be developed or work on a new project. She was invited to join our team and we believe that together with DryreL, Viznity will be a very strong team.

 

[AL.d]

Or a convenient fallacy for a strawman?

Are you actually going to argue profit doesn't make a huge difference in cases of intellectual property? Most legal systems would disagree with you if that's the case.

I don't even need to go into the argument of piracy actually promoting and resulting in more game sales (especially in the Patreon dominated, niche weg genre). The amount of succesful devs who are active on this site should speak for itself.

Edit : This discussion would be obviously off topic if the art creator is involved with this game. I hope it happens.

 

[Ninoss]

Viznity
I truely understand what you say (as a developer myself and the difficulty of finding an artist). And you have certainly done a programming work there for sure and a really good animating work (didn't know the animator was part of the team as it's confusing).
We love H games and the more they are the happiest we are. The problem is absolutely not there.

The problem is that people coming on this topic and playing the game will love the art, and that's normal, H Elsa I'm in !
But following you they won't get more art as It's not yours.
The second problem is that you're over-promoting your Patreon with art and story completely borrowed.

If only the credits where there without PATREON logos everywhere going only to your patreon, that's "fine" and I'll be happy to see your work but in those conditions that's not legit to me..

I don't know if you understand the point ?

 

[warmax42]

everything is ours, except just the drawings and story

I don't know how you use this as justification, these two things - drawings and story - are essentially the major components of an adult game.

Your game literally would not exist without someone else's work put into the art and story. You REALLY should have gotten permission from the creator of those images before even starting to work on the game.

I do not agree that you call this a "theft" since her name and Patreon page are in the credits.

You took someone else's completed artwork without asking prior permission, slapped together a game and put a link to your own patreon in it. You can disagree all you want, but I'd say the facts speak differently.

 

[macadam]

I prefer "Train Her Ass - with Elsa " than "Train Your Ass - with Elsa"

I expect something unexpected with a title like that

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it's coming....

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[sbarabaus]

People must've forgotten that this exists...

there's a difference between using another game's assets and using another game's renders

 

[SamWinters]

there's a difference between using another game's assets and using another game's renders

Also a difference between using assets from multinational corporations and using assets from independent creators

 

[Deleted member 1723329]

Hopefully there is some actual training of the backdoor as well, not just a booty workout lol

 

[fdragonx7]

As someone currently working to become a game dev, yall have no ground to stand on with linking to the original creator's work unless she published it with a creative commons attribution license or you got permission BEFORE using her art. Using art assets you didn't come up with is fine for prototyping and testing as long as it stays in house. As soon as you publish that game without getting permission from the original creators of assets you're using it is no longer acceptable. Yall are saying you aren't making money off this game, that's a straight up lie considering your patreon is being promoted with this. You might not be making sales but you are trying to get monetary support with this. UI and logic and whatnot are great, but the main draw for games like this are visuals and story, unless you're making a text-based game making the UI and Logic don't make a game. Also you taking her art and then inviting her to join your team is bull, if you like someone's work you make an offer to use it or have them join before you use their work. If yall seemed like you understood why people have a problem with it you'd likely get support from the community but you're just doubling down on having done nothing wrong. Yall are going to taint any future prospects if you don't pull your heads out your asses.

 

[sbarabaus]

Also a difference between using assets from multinational corporations and using assets from independent creators

Well, i don't think Darksilver qualified as a multinational corporation when he was making BB

 

[warmax42]

Well, i don't think Darksilver qualified as a multinational corporation when he was making BB

From what I know, no one ripped off his game assets. He used commercial software to create and render his game, and people simply re-created the models, from the base models that are sold/available.

That's not even close to what this game has done, which has taken complete unaltered 2D drawings without asking the author first, and pretty much only added minor 2D effects (transformations/deformations) to them.

It's one thing to use 3D models that can be altered, and needs to be posed, and which you need to use in a story you make.
It's completely different to copying a series of complete drawings / story sequence from an artist, without asking permission, wiggle them around a bit with some text and slap your patreon link on the intro screen.

 

[sbarabaus]

Yeah, that's exactly what i meant

 

[AL.d]

As someone currently working to become a game dev, yall have no ground to stand on with linking to the original creator's work unless she published it with a creative commons attribution license or you got permission BEFORE using her art. Using art assets you didn't come up with is fine for prototyping and testing as long as it stays in house. As soon as you publish that game without getting permission from the original creators of assets you're using it is no longer acceptable. Yall are saying you aren't making money off this game, that's a straight up lie considering your patreon is being promoted with this. You might not be making sales but you are trying to get monetary support with this. UI and logic and whatnot are great, but the main draw for games like this are visuals and story, unless you're making a text-based game making the UI and Logic don't make a game. Also you taking her art and then inviting her to join your team is bull, if you like someone's work you make an offer to use it or have them join before you use their work. If yall seemed like you understood why people have a problem with it you'd likely get support from the community but you're just doubling down on having done nothing wrong. Yall are going to taint any future prospects if you don't pull your heads out your asses.

I do remember that one instance where a Japanese artist agreed to have his art used in a western rpgmaker weg after it was already out. I don't think it was monetized at the time though, as Patreon milking wasn't a thing back then. Which of course makes all the difference.

 

[Deleted member 213220]

[QUOTE = "Viznity, publicación: 4211450, miembro: 989100"]
Hola usuarios de F95:

Queríamos aclarar que el juego se malinterpretó. Como Viznity, todavía somos un desarrollador de juegos emergente. No hemos avanzado mucho en 2 años, ya que hemos intentado desarrollar la mayoría de los estilos de juego para adultos, incluidos 2D y 3D. Por lo general, estamos constantemente desarrollando prototipos y no los publicamos.

Sin embargo, Viznity actualmente no tiene ilustrador. No era algo de qué preocuparse, ya que no es necesario para los juegos en 3D. Queríamos desarrollar un prototipo de juego 2D a partir de un activo existente en lugar de contratar un ilustrador porque no teníamos suficiente presupuesto.



Al contrario de lo que dijiste, todo es nuestro, excepto los dibujos y la historia. DryreL (Artista de animación) está trabajando con nosotros y nos esforzamos por llevar Viznity a tantos jugadores como sea posible. Las animaciones, los efectos de sonido, las traducciones, la mecánica del juego, los diseños de GUI, las pruebas de codificación y errores, etc., las hacemos nosotros. Decir que no hay "contenido original" aquí es ignorar todas las cosas que hacemos.

Dado que el juego ya no es un prototipo, queríamos completarlo y publicarlo para los jugadores. Hemos enviado un mensaje a Aroma Sensei para esto y todavía estamos esperando su respuesta. También le ofrecimos un trabajo para desarrollar un nuevo juego con ella, y si ella está de acuerdo, planeamos participar en un proyecto más grande que se planea lanzar en Steam en lugar de esos minijuegos.

No estoy seguro de que puedas llamarlo poco ético, ya que no obtuvimos ningún beneficio con "Train Your Ass With Elsa". No solo es un juego gratuito en F95zone, sino en todas partes.

Es bastante normal que vayas naturalmente a nuestra página de Patreon principalmente, ya que nosotros nos encargamos de todo menos del dibujo. Además, no estoy de acuerdo en que llames a esto un "robo" ya que su nombre y la página de Patreon están en los créditos. El desarrollo de juegos es un trabajo en equipo. Por el contrario, sería más apropiado llamarlo un "hecho por fan" ahora mismo. Depende de usted apoyar a Aroma Sensei o Viznity. Este juego es un trabajo voluntario.

Dependiendo de la respuesta de Aroma Sensei, el juego puede continuar desarrollándose o trabajando en un nuevo proyecto. Fue invitada a unirse a nuestro equipo y creemos que junto con DryreL, Viznity será un equipo muy fuerte.
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The carhacters are from disney, dont Perry, we love your art, we want more!!!!!!

 

[Ass-a-Lot]

lol i saw these comics by aroma and i think it has anal in it and shemale version.

 

[seyfer110]

It's funny how you think that putting an url in your credit section is enough to give you rights over someone else work...
Anyway, that being said, I don't find it much more different from those thousands of html games which use real porn images and gifs and got a patreon page as well.

 

[LaterGater]

Hello F95 users,

We wanted to clarify that the game misinterpreted. As Viznity, we are still an emerging game developer. We haven't come a long way in 2 years, as we've been trying to develop most adult play styles, including 2D and 3D. Generally, we are constantly developing prototypes and we do not publish them.

However, Viznity currently does not have an illustrator. It was not something to worry about as it is not required for 3D games. We wanted to develop a 2D game prototype from an existing asset instead of hiring an illustrator because we did not have enough budget.



Contrary to what you said, everything is ours, except just the drawings and story. DryreL (Animation Artist) is working with us and we strive to bring Viznity to as many players as possible. Animations, sound effects, translations, game mechanics, GUI designs, coding and bug tests etc... are made by us. To say no "original content" here is to ignore all the things we do.

Since the game is no longer a prototype, we wanted to complete it and publish it to the gamers. We have sent a message to Aroma Sensei for this and we are still waiting for her reply. We also offered a job to develop a new game with her, and if she agrees, we plan to take part in a larger project that is planned to be released on Steam instead of such mini games.

I'm not sure you can call it unethical as we didn't make any profit on "Train Your Ass With Elsa". Not just its a free game on F95zone, but everywhere.

It is quite normal for you to naturally go to our Patreon page mainly, since we take care of everything except drawing. Besides, I do not agree that you call this a "theft" since her name and Patreon page are in the credits. Game development is a team work. On the contrary, it would be more appropriate to call it a "fan made" right now. It is up to you to support Aroma Sensei or Viznity. This game is a voluntary work.

Depending on Aroma Sensei's answer, the game can continue to be developed or work on a new project. She was invited to join our team and we believe that together with DryreL, Viznity will be a very strong team.

Fucks sake dude, how unprofessional can you get? If you want to make a game with no artist you need to contract the art or at the very least get permission *before* you use the thing to promote your ghetto-ass patreon. Its hilarious that you actually expect one of the most successful porn artist around to work with a bunch of nobodies, I'm sure you're the first yokels out the woodworks to get that brilliant idea.

lets ask the magic 8 ball if your dreams will come true...

 

[Snapmunky]

how do you even get passed the social media screen? it's just stuck on this page

 

[Ztxdqqo438]

The game name reminds me of a youtube video
Frozen - FUCK MY ASS

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