Unity Completed Train Your Ass With Elsa [v1.01] [Viznity]

Emperor_Arcturus

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Ah so someone who else who doesn't understand that this does not dismiss the irony of people complaining of theft on a website almost solely based upon theft.

Or as my trustworthy friend in the senate once said:
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Where did I say that? I was pointing out that people weren't complaining about assets being stolen from a game but an artists actual work. But for what it's worth, not that anyone asked, I don't think it really matters that it's ironic, just because you're doing one thing doesn't mean you can't criticize someone else for doing something that's different? Are we stealing from some developers and playing their games without paying? Yeah. But none of us are making money off of it. I can't go grab a game from someone's patreon, upload it here and start demanding people pay me to download it. What's happening here is that this dev went, stole someone else's artwork, then decided to use it in their own game and try to charge people for it. That's what I have a problem with and where I personally draw the line, again not that anyone asked. But I think that's where other people have problems with it too. Is what we do bad? Sure, or at least debatable depending on who you ask, some people will say that we're providing free advertisement to these devs but I really don't care to get into that argument. But, to reiterate this point, we're not making money off of this, this guy is, or at least attempting to. I just think it's scummy to steal another artists work, slap a few animations on it, then pass it off as your own and barely advertise the original artist's work, and NOT get the artists permission from the start. Just my 2 cents, I'm done now.
 

miketoreno

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original comment about the hypocrisy.
Tu quoque "argument" follows the pattern:
1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
3. Therefore, X is false.
It is a fallacy because the moral character or actions of the opponent are generally irrelevant to the logic of the argument. It is often used as a red herring tactic and is a special case of the ad hominem fallacy, which is a category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of facts about the person presenting or supporting the claim or argument.
 

warmax42

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Ah so someone who else who doesn't understand that this does not dismiss the irony of people complaining of theft on a website almost solely based upon theft.

Or as my trustworthy friend in the senate once said:
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It's not ironic because there's a difference you don't seem to comprehend, or choose to ignore.

First in case you haven't noticed, almost any time you go download something, there's a intermediate screen that asks "Please support creators whose content you like, to ensure their work continues" - the people of this site don't want to see devs working on games go unrewarded, and quite often, the really good games still get a ton of support. So your arugment that this site is based on"theft" is weak.

Second, there's a bloody big difference between "I can't afford to buy a game, so I'll go download it" and "I took someone else's complete artwork without permissions and slapped it into a game with my Patreon link on top of it, so I can go make money off someone else's work".

And third, I want to point out that you're clumping the thousands of users of this site under one theoretical "person" and calling that imaginary person's behavior ironic. For someone who DOES support the work of game devs he likes, why would it be ironic for ME to be upset at a dev stealing artwork to make money? Rhetorical question, it isn't.

Your argument is weak at best, and just wrong at worst.
 

AL.d

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Ah so someone who else who doesn't understand that this does not dismiss the irony of people complaining of theft on a website almost solely based upon theft.

Or as my trustworthy friend in the senate once said:
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I know false equivalence is the "go to" fallacy for people with no real arguement but it's so painfully obvious here that it's really not worth the effort...
 
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fotogaik

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Not ironic in any way. There's a world of difference here that's covered by completely different parts of copyright laws, and often software is not covered by copyright law at all.
In Poland, copyright for artwork, music, etc., is defined in the copyright code. In a nutshell, it's illegal to share other people's work with others, whether by providing original digital files, their renderings (printouts, video recordings of a digital original, audio CD from music files), broadcasting or public performance, regardless whether it's for free or for pay, unless you're sharing it with your friends or family.
Software and architectural plans are covered by related law and governed by license. You can, in theory, steal them, but you cannot legally use them unless you also purchased a license to use them.

While the act of downloading the game and keeping it on disk, disassembling and so on is not illegal, playing it is illegal.
The developer would be guilty of illegally using other people's assets for profit.

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Just going back to the game itself. What a wasted opportunity.
The artwork is great, animations are good, but there's no game or story whatsoever. The "game" isn't even a game, but a completely linear slideshow with zero decisions to be made.
For starters, the premise is ridiculous. It could have worked as a bad intro to a better game, but instead, it's all the game there is.
Elsa could have been fucking Hans or Kristoff. Both would have been good for setup and dramatic effect. Fuck, she could have been with Sven or Olaf and it would make for a story (not a good one, but still).
Instead, she's fucking a disembodied dick that belongs to nobody.
 

iron4doves

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So your arugment that this site is based on"theft" is weak.
you're clumping the thousands of users of this site under one theoretical "person"
You really think this site is primarily based on something else? Do you truly feel it's unfair to say 90% (or at least the largest of majorities) of people that use this site rarely (if ever) give money to anyone for these games?

there's a bloody big difference between
Game devs being robbed of their efforts. Artists being robbed of their efforts. The only difference is "I can blame this on someone else!" and not "I have to blame this on me..."
 

AL.d

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You really think this site is primarily based on something else? Do you truly feel it's unfair to say 90% (or at least the largest of majorities) of people that use this site rarely (if ever) give money to anyone for these games?


Game devs being robbed of their efforts. Artists being robbed of their efforts. The only difference is "I can blame this on someone else!" and not "I have to blame this on me..."

Provide proof that anyone downloading a game here would be a de facto paying supporter to that dev if the site didn't exist and you might have grounds to attempt an actual argument.

Until then, only one side of your obvious false equivalence has financial gain from the efforts of another and that's whomever uses someone else's art to earn money on Patreon.
 

warmax42

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The only difference is "I can blame this on someone else!" and not "I have to blame this on me..."
You again ignore the actual difference: Not paying for someone's work is one thing. Not paying for someone's work and then using the work you stole to make money for yourself is a different level.

If you haven't gotten it by now, you're just incapable of understanding this, and the rest of your comment is entirely opinion based, so I'm done talking with you.
 
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You again ignore the actual difference: Not paying for someone's work is one thing. Not paying for someone's work and then using the work you stole to make money for yourself is a different level.

If you haven't gotten it by now, you're just incapable of understanding this, and the rest of your comment is entirely opinion based, so I'm done talking with you.
The notion or act of monetary gain is not taken into consideration when determining copyright infringement. I repeat, making money is NOT taken into consideration determining copyright infringement. To make a long story short. If you don't have permission from the original creator or current owner and the medium is not transformative or informational. It's copyright infringement and is illegal.
 
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iron4doves

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I'm tapping out, if anyone else wants to be challenged on common sense repeatedly, be my guest (wouldn't recommend)
 

SilverEvo

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You again ignore the actual difference: Not paying for someone's work is one thing. Not paying for someone's work and then using the work you stole to make money for yourself is a different level.

If you haven't gotten it by now, you're just incapable of understanding this, and the rest of your comment is entirely opinion based, so I'm done talking with you.
Just take into consideration that most games here are using screenshots from games like Koikatu or Honey Select and call it a game. Same sh%t if you ask me.
 

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Pichurro

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So manny people with so high spirits and some high morale downloading games for free and then they criticize the game.... hilarious.

Soooo good game men, i love it, the ilustration are so good and the animation too. I feel bad for the game itself because this is the last update, but please do more like this, or others games with similar pics and with the same artist.
 

desmosome

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I guess all you had to do was get consent from Aroma Sensei to use their artwork to avoid all the drama.