bobdillan

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Yeah I don't play mr dots games, DMD was very disappointing and I regret wasting time on that game. About the harem thing, would this debate still be going if it was an all female harem? I am usually not a fan of sharing the girls either, but the way I see it, the MC is the only "true male" in the game. In this game's world the roles are reversed, all the men are extremely girly not only in their looks but the way they act. So it doesn't really bother me if the girls end up having some scenes with the traps and some of the futas, because in the end you will also fuck the traps and the futas. The dev is being very open with what type of content the game will have, if some people don't like it and don't want to play it that is understandable. I think the mr dots example you gave is very different, because, and correct me if am wrong, he probably never said from the beginning that he would force the player into having an open relationship, so yeah if people get caught by surprise it's normal that they will complain. Here the dev is telling you in advance what type of content you can expect.
Well not really, because the question about the trap content being optional without turning them to females is yet to be answered. (i.e. can you reject the traps? and if you do does that avoid them doing things with the female LIs? because if not that would be NTR)

I shall refrain from reiterating my points on the topic, bar this one, just because they are girly trap or female doesn't change the fact that such a character doing stuff with a LI without the MCs permission is NTR, just because you personally don't mind it in that context, doesn't change the matter of fact.

Tripple Ex for example has the NTR tag because the sister character fucks some of the LIs behind MCs back, and also cucked him with his wife, her being female doesn't change it from being NTR, as the term is not biased. So it goes both ways, with females going onto the traps if the MC were to care about traps more.

If you wish for me to further elaborate on the subject in regards to this game in particular, I believe I did so adequately in my previous comments.

I also believe that I am starting to get repetitive, so I shall only reply to any subsequent replies if I can actually add anything new to the topic, instead of similar points or repeated points (don't want to clutter).
 

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What does the Incest Patch do again ? I replayed the game with it, and I see no difference. Can someone kind enough to point it out for me ?
 

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What does the Incest Patch do again ? I replayed the game with it, and I see no difference. Can someone kind enough to point it out for me ?
Relationship changes (Mother, big sister, the Demon Queen calls you her son etc..), and the doctor tells you a darker backstory about the MC body's circumstances.
 
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We shall see.

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you mean polyamorous tag polygamy is basically the same thing as a harem while polyamorous is them all fucking each other or others(with consent) that is why I say this sites Harem tag definition fits polyamorous then it does harem because a harem has nothing to do with them all having sex together like they have it on this site.
 

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Well not really, because the question about the trap content being optional without turning them to females is yet to be answered. (i.e. can you reject the traps? and if you do does that avoid them doing things with the female LIs? because if not that would be NTR)

I shall refrain from reiterating my points on the topic, bar this one, just because they are girly trap or female doesn't change the fact that such a character doing stuff with a LI without the MCs permission is NTR, just because you personally don't mind it in that context, doesn't change the matter of fact.

Tripple Ex for example has the NTR tag because the sister character fucks some of the LIs behind MCs back, and also cucked him with his wife, her being female doesn't change it from being NTR, as the term is not biased. So it goes both ways, with females going onto the traps if the MC were to care about traps more.

If you wish for me to further elaborate on the subject in regards to this game in particular, I believe I did so adequately in my previous comments.

I also believe that I am starting to get repetitive, so I shall only reply to any subsequent replies if I can actually add anything new to the topic, instead of similar points or repeated points (don't want to clutter).
What I find sad is Devs don't consider players POV like just because story wise the MC is fine with sharing making it not NTR doesn't mean the players who put themselves into the MCs POV are and we aren't given a simple choice to say no to sharing which shouldn't be that hard to put there(other games do it all the time)

Every time I mention this the Dev seem to think the problem is the traps and futas existing or us having to fuck them(which I don't mind all I just don't want them to fuck others) when it is the possible forced sharing and not being told if we are forced to share or if you can stop it(not just skip it)
 

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Damn....hope the sandbox mechanics of the game aren't too annoying. Lots of sandbox porn games just make it impossible to actually enjoy the game.
he seems to be doing it right from what ive seen but can't say for sure until the next update as im sure you know
 

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I mean then maybe the game is just not for those players. Not every game has to cater to our personal preferences. I don't get this debate at all, the dev already said that the mc won't get cucked, but the people in the harem will have scenes with each other, and that includes the traps and the futas. I get that some people don't like that, but at the end of the day if people don't like it they have the choice to not play the game.
I know you can't please everyone(though I somewhat disagree as I have seen many games come pretty damn close by just making the choice to avoid/stop certain things from happening as I mentioned before) but it should be possible to put a choice to stop it(not skip) I don't get why so many others make it seem like it is that hard to do other games do it easily so you can't say it is that hard to do without it effecting the story in a big way when they(the Dev) are doing a patch to turn all the none girls(traps and futa) into girls which should take even more effort then what I mentioned about making it truly avoidable/stoppable.

Also again I didn't call it him being cucked I don't even know who started that
 

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I am not even saying that is hard to do. All I am saying is that just because other games do it that way doesn't mean that this dev also has to do it that way. I don't like forced NTR but should all games make it avoidable because I don't like it? I don't think so. He has his vision for his game and it's up to him to decide what type of content he wants in his game. He is being upfront and telling everyone in advance what type of content the game will have in the future. It's up to each person to decide if this is something they want to play or not. For me this like when NTR fans go to non-ntr games and keep bothering the devs to add it to the game.
the Dev hasn't been really upfront about if sharing is forced or not as many have asked if it was and asked for them to clarify it and so far they haven't(as far as I have read those that has asked such a thing has been ignored).

Don't get me wrong I am very grateful the Dev is willing to make a patch to turn all none girls into girls but I want the traps and futa there I just want to be the the "alpha" "sex machine" that can change the world the overview makes us out to be that does all the fucking and dominates(dev's words) the girls, traps and futa into only thinking about wanted to be fucked by him(and not wanting to do any of the fucking when it comes to the traps and futas) and no one else but the Dev always seems to thing it is the traps and the futas existing that is the big problem and I don't know why.(I mean sure there where some who didn't want anything to do with the traps and futa but it was mostly the possible forced sharing that is the problem)

I can get it if someone was in a relationship before the MC wakes up and before he fucks them they do stuff together(though it being skippable so I don't have to see it would be nice) as the author said there would be a lot of netori(mc does the stealing) but after him getting with them they don't think of doing it with others again be they girl, trap or futa as why would they when the MC seems to have enough satisfy all of them.
 
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I think the reason why the dev wants to release an all female patch it's because the sharing won't be avoidable, so if you have the patch and that happens it's only between woman. Otherwise there is really no point in having an all female patch if you can avoid all the futa and trap stuff.
The patch is for those that want nothing to do with the traps and futa be it fucking them or see them fuck others that is the reason for it but i think the Dev said it would make the story weird or messed up.

That is one of the reason why I would rather the Dev make it be avoidable(not happen instead of skippable) when it comes to fucking traps or futas(if you want to that is which I don't) and stopping any sharing when it comes to at least traps and futas(or girls if you don't like that either) were you can stop it from happening and either no scene happens and it isn't mentioned later in the story or an alternative scene plays(which would be better) were the MC fucks all involved himself satisfying all them and showing his absurd sex drive that "can change this world" and by doing this not only should it probably take less effort then changing all non-female characters to female and it wouldn't hurt the story the Dev wants to make(at least not anywhere near as much as a patch that turns all but the MC into a girl) at most they would have to do is make the options/choices and alternative scenes but not as many alternative scenes as the patch would have to have.(which should be that bad as this is still just started) I really don't get why the Dev seem so resistant to this idea but is fine with making the patch that could make the story weird and not make sense it really makes me scratch my head in confusion
 
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bobdillan

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What I find sad is Devs don't consider players POV like just because story wise the MC is fine with sharing making it not NTR doesn't mean the players who put themselves into the MCs POV are and we aren't given a simple choice to say no to sharing which shouldn't be that hard to put there(other games do it all the time)

Every time I mention this the Dev seem to think the problem is the traps and futas existing or us having to fuck them(which I don't mind all I just don't want them to fuck others) when it is the possible forced sharing and not being told if we are forced to share or if you can stop it(not just skip it)
This So much this. The amount of devs that ignore that fact is too damn high.


I mean then maybe the game is just not for those players. Not every game has to cater to our personal preferences. I don't get this debate at all, the dev already said that the mc won't get cucked, but the people in the harem will have scenes with each other, and that includes the traps and the futas. I get that some people don't like that, but at the end of the day if people don't like it they have the choice to not play the game.
Not really, they kinda need to take this into account because they are doing first person visual novels, it isn't like a movie or a book where the person viewing it is completely separated from the story. When first person you should expect the player to self-insert, that is kinda the main point of first person.

btw when I say first person, I don't strictly mean game-play wise, you can have MC in images and things but if the story is basically told from MCs perspective then that would qualify as a first person story to which people self-insert on.

P.s. this is a genralised comment, i.e. not specific to this game, just games in general.
 

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so far 10/10 (even if MC never will lose his AVcard(to bad)
Its fun and even if Koikatsugames need a bit more bytes to save its worth it.

How are your futa gona be? more like the classic futa without balls or more like Shemale but with Pussy?

EDIT: Was a big Surprise that the Name of my brother was used for the Trap nurse xD
 
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This NTR discussion is basically what happens when two idiots talk past each other long enough to forget that this started because the tags on this website are worth shit during an initial release when we know fuck all about what the finished product will look like.
 

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...at most they would have to do is make the options/choices and alternative scenes but not as many alternative scenes as the patch would have to have.
You are mistaken Dragon, doing a patch to turn men into women is a matter of modifying some areas of a character, and since the characters are made on a computer and not hand-drawn it can be done reasonably easily. Creating alternate scenes is far more work.
 
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