Badjourasmix

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I wanted to offend anyone. But a choice needs to be made. We stay and adapt or abandon the game and wish Waifston good luck. Nothing will change, every update we will be debating how bad the whole situation is? We cannot live like this.
Yeah it seems it will be that way now. Even if waifston goes back to working on the old version, some people will complain that they liked the new version better or they will complain that waifston wasted time working on the new version, for nothing.
 
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saynotoNTR

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Yeah it seems it will be that way now. Even if waifston goes back to working on the old version, some people will complain that they liked the new version better or they will complain that waifston wasted time working on the new version, for nothing.
Just think about it. Every time an update is released, we, those who have been unhappy since DEMO 0.1, will we make the same criticisms over and over again? Knowing that nothing will change? We need to accept things as they are and the sooner the better. I am unhappy with many things, but I chose to stay. It is best for everyone to decide what we are going to do. Waifston will be able to attract a new audience eventually, a day will come when no one will remember that there was an old version. I am not declaring defeat, but we are just wasting time writing walls of text with feedback that is unlikely to even be read.
 

Badjourasmix

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I think the problem is that waifston seems to have a problem dealing with negative criticism, and to be fair people here aren't the most polite when they show their dislike for something. But he keeps doubting himself way too much, the fact that he considered going back to the old game after spending so much time working on this new version, suggests that he doesn't really believe in what he is doing.
 
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minimeatball

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This is just the prologue. How many times will I have to repeat this? The sandbox system has not been abandoned, Waifston said (as have I, countless times) that 'free-roam' will be back when the prologue ends. The prologue exists only to present the new story, learn things before comment about something that you don't know. That kind of comment just discourages Waifston, you guys don't know how to wait for things.
that's all well and good, but it depends if the free-roam is actually true sandbox. we've already seen an example of the new free-roam (enter free-roam mode to talk to characters and get some animations and story elements, then exit to advance the story). if that's how it's going to be, then that's not a sandbox. and as it is now, i'm not really sure a true sandbox would be fitting for this new type of gameplay, so even if it is a sandbox, it'll just be detrimental to the premium edition
 

DA22

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I wanted to offend anyone. But a choice needs to be made. We stay and adapt or abandon the game and wish Waifston good luck. Nothing will change, every update we will be debating how bad the whole situation is? We cannot live like this.
Well Waifston as the dev will make that choice loud and clear at the latest when that new update comes out or he announces loud and clear when ready what he plans and yeah then people will draw their own conclusions based on that. Will discussion really ever die down, unlikely with over 40% for either side wanting opposing options. Those are both major parts of player base and hard or impossible to make them all happy, but it will calm down after.
 
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JengaTower

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I absolutely wish Waifston all the best. It's clear this is the game he wanted to make. It's been obvious since the Christmas update that he doesn't just want to make the same games everyone else here makes, for better or worse.

But now that the prologue's finished, it's also kind of clear it's not really for me. I'm very glad for him that he's pursuing the path he wants, though.
 
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acondo

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Just think about it. Every time an update is released, we, those who have been unhappy since DEMO 0.1, will we make the same criticisms over and over again? Knowing that nothing will change? We need to accept things as they are and the sooner the better. I am unhappy with many things, but I chose to stay. It is best for everyone to decide what we are going to do. Waifston will be able to attract a new audience eventually, a day will come when no one will remember that there was an old version. I am not declaring defeat, but we are just wasting time writing walls of text with feedback that is unlikely to even be read.
Yeah, you’re right
I’m not salty tho, you’re salty :HideThePain:
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But yeah, I’m with the others fellas, I’m done here too. Although bitching in this thread was kind of de-stressing for me. :ROFLMAO:

Maybe I play the game in a year if I remember, or maybe when (or if ever) gets finished.
 

Fazel

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I'm.....
I'm really just.... buffled.....
I saw finally an update on one of the most promising games I've seen from when I found out the forum. I installed it ready to lose 2-3 hours of sleep just fapping like hell as all the other times... and then I received 2 hours of pure unfairness, unluck and just plain sadness, with one dream-ball-sucking, tons of dialogue and that's it.

What is this? Where is Unlimited Pleasure? What was wrong with how the game was before? The situations, the dialogues, the pure gritty atmosphere, the SUPER-overthetop characters.
Boh.
I didn't pay anything, I'm not a patreon, so it's fair if this is what they want. I was just a huge fan, even had it on my signature.
I believed in the game, even if I didn't support it with money.
It's your game, so I just hope that as a developer you are satisfied with it ^^
Really, I don't want to be salty, I have no right to criticize, I'm just telling what I think. Unfortunately I cannot be constructive since the game change so much. Maybe make a bit of both? Don't know.
I'm just sad.
 

Stawer

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With so much negativity, it's hard to really help a developer...

Perhaps removing some content from the premium version would be a quick solution.

"Perfection is reached, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away."

I don't remember who said this phrase, but I think it could be applied here lol

But really, if everyone just craps all over one person's hard work, it makes it that much harder to come up with the right solution. All that negativity clouds a lot of judgment and can push a developer to the limit. Not to mention that it's very demotivating and I think it's the worst thing that could happen to a creative.
 

saynotoNTR

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With so much negativity, it's hard to really help a developer...

Perhaps removing some content from the premium version would be a quick solution.

"Perfection is reached, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away."

I don't remember who said this phrase, but I think it could be applied here lol

But really, if everyone just craps all over one person's hard work, it makes it that much harder to come up with the right solution. All that negativity clouds a lot of judgment and can push a developer to the limit. Not to mention that it's very demotivating and I think it's the worst thing that could happen to a creative.
Have you tried to help someone who doesn't want help? Things are not as simple as you say, lad.
 

Daddums

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That is because of poor writing. I am convinced Waifston wanted us to relate to Elena but failed. And we always end up to the one reason : Waifston is a bad story writer.

It may be harsh. But you have to know what you can do and what you can not when you start something as "important" as the premium version of your game.
I have to be the asshole apparently. I do like Waifston, though, because he does look like he's trying, but the attitude of disregarding advice is getting to me.

This is why I feel Premium Edition will fail -- maybe not financially, but from a quality standpoint. He's trying to tell a story and he has no experience really. A story wrought with unsympathetic nightmares he calls characters. The entire place comes off as a hellhole filled with assholes in the prologue, even trusted friends and family will knife you in the back to feel superior, nobody would want to genuinely live with these people and if it weren't for the crab bucket mentality would likely have fled as soon as possible. Well, that and they're trapped on a fucking island. The only motivation I find believable for the MC and Alice is to get the fuck out of Dodge by having the MC becoming some kind of prostitute to raise funds enough to get off the island. There's nothing redeeming about this place to me. There's no reason any sane individual would want to live there. Like moving to Singapore where they beat the shit out of you for spitting gum out and on the pavement.

And one thing that bothers me... and my memory is faulty, but MC took karate lessons as a kid, right? Why didn't he roundhouse kick the mugger in the Alice flashback like he did Zach? Was it because Zach is a bigger pussy than the MC? Because that just seems to feed the narrative that this entire island is a pecking order of assholes. Waifston comes off completely jaded when he tells the story this way.

As DA22 said, this is shaping up more to be some generic revenge bullshit, but that doesn't seem to be what Waifston is aiming for. There's nothing romantic here, however, there's nothing charming here either.

And worst of all? I feel Waifston is neglecting any advice you or I give him. I gave him advice back during the Christmas debacle. You don't change established characters. It's a jarring move and it creates a huge disconnect for fans of the game. That's happening here, he may get new fans and good for him. I'm gone, though. The only reason I type this out is because I believe in Waifston despite how negative I am about the present work.

If he wants to fix Elena, and since he seems deadset on being grimdark, he needs to make it that Elena has severe abandonment issues and worked against the MC to keep him on the island and/or near her. If he wants to fix Sophia then she needs to be completely rebuilt, you can't just have a false accuser in a story as that shit is traumatizing for the accused. There are men who still have nightmares from that and never rebuilt their life. It's why I'm actually stunned MC got off relatively light considering. He was bullied by her and everything and I get that, but the thing is Waifston really should try making it more like she's... damaged in that she can't express love without disdain or hatred. Like she got crushed by someone, completely destroyed emotionally and she doesn't want to feel love again. So when MC - for whatever god awful reason she can love the midget - somehow catches her fancy, she goes full rage mode and tries to destroy him to prevent getting hurt. The false rape shit is too far, though. No one recovers from that.

If he wants a serious tone he has to take this shit seriously and make it believable. Being off the cuff and dumb worked for the original because it was that, it was goofy, you can be silly with the plot then. This? This isn't silly. You can't be dumb about the characters. You gotta make sure each and every action follows the chain called motivation.

I like your advice about Alice, though, in that maybe her wild and reckless behavior has led her to find a different fix for the adrenaline rush she had in life. She has a kid, she loves him, she doesn't want to end up dead? What's a good dopamine fix to replace that? GAMBLING! Make that abundantly clear in the narrative, like MC listens in on some conversation, it gives MC motivation to do better because it adds that guilt for him to get off his ass and help her. Because technically? She may not be dead or beaten to hell and back, she is still seeking that fix and the house and everything is up for collateral because she doesn't want to leave you alone. In her mind you got each other, even without the house it's fine. The aunt comes in, smacks her around a bit and buys the house from whoever she lost it to. Auntie explains in no uncertain terms that if she goes back to her old ways, she's out. MC can stay, but she wants Alice out of their lives forever because she's hurting the MC. Makes Auntie just as stern, but also sympathetic because she's looking out for MC.

These can easily be fixed as you said. I just want Waifston to listen to our options on how to fix it. He does need to make MC 5'7" at least, though. I don't know what the metric for that is because I'm a filthy amerimutt, but that's how it goes. Also maybe make him dress a little bit more serious? I feel like that outfit he presently has better suits the old game than this one. Unless the fashion of this island is like North Korea in that they get all their fashion tips from outdated intelligence.

And not to bring drama from another thread, but I find one game significantly more offensive than this one and it's posted on this site. That reason being the author of that is a naive fuckwit regarding politics and is deliberate about it, Waifston is just naive in trying to appease people. He can fix this, he has that ability and I know he does. He just needs to be open to suggestions which doesn't seem to be the case with him. He's far too sensitive and just throws the baby out with the bathwater instead of tweaking things accordingly. I get that feeling, I lived that feeling, that's why I'm being so hard on him about it. If people were harder on me about quitting or throwing babies out of windows with the bathwater, I probably wouldn't be here having a serious discussion about the narrative regarding a porn game. Not that I don't love you guys.
 

eddie987

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With so much negativity, it's hard to really help a developer...

Perhaps removing some content from the premium version would be a quick solution.

"Perfection is reached, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away."

I don't remember who said this phrase, but I think it could be applied here lol

But really, if everyone just craps all over one person's hard work, it makes it that much harder to come up with the right solution. All that negativity clouds a lot of judgment and can push a developer to the limit. Not to mention that it's very demotivating and I think it's the worst thing that could happen to a creative.
This game is (or was) as old as yours. Imagine if you suddenly decided to throw all your story progression in the trash can, and make a new "premium" version of the game where a 12 year old Lucky wants to marry Prim and Layla just to get their restaurants and Charlotte is a backstabbing cunt... It's really late here and I can't think of anything for Yui, Maxy and Sasha right now, but any stereotype that adds "drama", while making them unlikeable will do.

I think something like that would justifiably bring a bit of "displeasure" among the players who've been following your game for more than a year and grew to love at least some of those characters with their imperfections and their ups and downs. And your game already has a darker tone than this one had.
 

Norman Knight

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With so much negativity, it's hard to really help a developer...

Perhaps removing some content from the premium version would be a quick solution.

"Perfection is reached, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away."

I don't remember who said this phrase, but I think it could be applied here lol

But really, if everyone just craps all over one person's hard work, it makes it that much harder to come up with the right solution. All that negativity clouds a lot of judgment and can push a developer to the limit. Not to mention that it's very demotivating and I think it's the worst thing that could happen to a creative.
If you read the previous pages of comments you will find that the first reaction to the reboot was full of frustration, but also criticism and suggestion on how to improve the reboot, then it got more neutral as people came to accept that the reboot its the new "Canon" so they offer more suggestions on how to improve the game, and finally the second update arrives and people got frustrated again because none of the suggestions were considered, but even so, people didn't stop offering suggestions and analysis on what its not working on the reboot. For every comment that "craps all over his work" there was several that give detailed analysis on how to improve the story so lets not use that old argument that people complain just for the sake of complaining because that clearly don't apply here.

The negativity that you mention its born out of the feeling that the dev doesn't even bother to read the comments full of suggestions and instead wonders why is it that people don't like the reboot even though the answer was given multiple times and in full detail.

as saynotoNTR Said you can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped, if the dev doesn't read the suggestions and feedback from the players then what else can we do but to see the ship sink.
 
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mathewepen13

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Hey Waifston... I really love the soundtrack that you used for the main menu & the theme for the title reveal.
Did you make the music yourself or find it?

Could you share the music?

I music editing of my own.. would really love to make a different version of it...

Oh.. & the game rocks!! Cant wait for the sex scenes to come in
 
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With so much negativity, it's hard to really help a developer...

Perhaps removing some content from the premium version would be a quick solution.

"Perfection is reached, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away."

I don't remember who said this phrase, but I think it could be applied here lol

But really, if everyone just craps all over one person's hard work, it makes it that much harder to come up with the right solution. All that negativity clouds a lot of judgment and can push a developer to the limit. Not to mention that it's very demotivating and I think it's the worst thing that could happen to a creative.
Negativity is a part of the process when you write a story and publish it to the public. It is, in the best case, a source of debates and discussions as well as a mean of reflexion for some authors - depends on the mental constitution, some writers just ignore negative comments, go on and can make interesting things. In the worst case, negativity takes root from the public's frustrations and misplaced dissatisfactions leading to pointless rantings and sometimes insults.

You are on the Internet where there is an absurd amount of fruitless negative comments shadowing the "good" negativity. You have to dirty yourself with the idiotic contents to get to the good stuff. That is the contract you authors have signed when publishing your game : to get covered in mud.

I think these last pages as a lot of fruitful negativity.
 
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funkygallo

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This is just the prologue. How many times will I have to repeat this? The sandbox system has not been abandoned, Waifston said (as have I, countless times) that 'free-roam' will be back when the prologue ends. The prologue exists only to present the new story, learn things before comment about something that you don't know. That kind of comment just discourages Waifston, you guys don't know how to wait for things.
I think the free map will be already from next release.
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If you already played the latest update (0.2) you know what is DDS. But if you are not familiar with it here is a quick explanation...
DDS aka Dynamic Dating Simulator it's a complex dating system dedicated to create a real-life experience of the date. During the date event, your partner has 3 main stats that you need to consider. Interest, Restraint, Drunkenness. Keep your dating partner interested in you by increasing the Interest stat. The success of your date depends on how much she will be interested in you. Restraint is your date partner's overall restrainment, her defense. If you want to do some... lewd stuff with her, breakthrough her defense! Drunkenness... Well, making your dating partner drunk will unlock a whole new of set interactions + you may learn more about her... This is just a short quick explanation, the full tutorial of DDS will be available in the game soon.
Share your thoughts. What do you want to see in the DDS? Do you want it to be more real, more challenging... or maybe do you want it to be more simple and straightforward?
That's good; sex mini games not.
 
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