Ren'Py Unlimited Pleasure [v1.0.9] [Waifston]

[Deleted member 2366660]

Last year, with the weekly release, he developed the story very quickly; wait for the next weekly release.

And last year, the story was not compelling. That is why Waifston decided to remake the game.

 

[saynotoNTR]

And last year, the story was not compelling. That is why Waifston decided to remake the game.

In my opinion, adult games are like racing games, they don't need an interesting plot to be fun. Milfy City, Haren Hotel, Summertime Saga and Man of the House are some examples of games that are excellent, but do not have a Hollywood-worthy storyline. These games only have characters loved by the public and that's it. These games don't tell about how difficult and unlucky the protagonist's life is, how stupid people are with him or how the world tries to bring him down. Waifston was very concerned with the plot of the game and not with the fun of the player, a mistake that I consider fatal. We are talking about an adult game, why try to write such a deep and dark storyline? Is Waifston trying to get a job as a writer for the next The Last of Us 3 and nobody told me anything? Anyway, we can only hope for improvements in future updates.

 

[Ancarius]

There is Acting Lessons, Being a Dik, Treasure of Nadia and My New Family that are examples of games were people are also interested/invested in the story. 2 of those Games being Harem Games.

A good Storyline is neither good or bad, just depends on what you as a developer want. If you want a Harem Fuckfest, aka a Nukige or have a good Storyline + Fucking around, aka Kyonyuu Fantasy (Eng. Funbag Fantasy), then you have to pick one of them. If Waifston wanted to be more of the 2. then he has to write a good one, which is the path he choose with the Premium Edition. Staying with the Old Version is would have been the 1.

 

[saynotoNTR]

There is Acting Lessons, Being a Dik, Treasure of Nadia and My New Family that are examples of games were people are also interested/invested in the story. 2 of those Games being Harem Games.

A good Storyline is neither good or bad, just depends on what you as a developer want. If you want a Harem Fuckfest, aka a Nukige or have a good Storyline + Fucking around, aka Kyonyuu Fantasy (Eng. Funbag Fantasy), then you have to pick one of them. If Waifston wanted to be more of the 2. then he has to write a good one, which is the path he choose with the Premium Edition. Staying with the Old Version is would have been the 1.

The developers of the games you mentioned are great writers, which Waifston is not. These developers can dare to win over audiences through their writing skills. Waifston doesn't have what it takes to do the same, build a fan base through being a good writer. In this case, he shouldn't even have tried to do something like that.

 

[Ancarius]

Can't say anything for Acting Lessons and Being a Dik but NLT is not a good writer and My New Family hardly as well.
NLT builts his mystery around a carrot on a stick that gets pushed away with every update and all the relationships are solved by a convinient Sex Drug. I like his games for the Exploration but story wise there are nothing to really talk about.
My New Family is basically generating a new conflict and solving it by believing in each other aka Power of Friendship.

Waifston's Writing certainly did improve over the last year, it's just that if he wants to improve he has to fail fast cause you don't learn anything from success but from falling on your face. 0.2 couldn't really incorporate a lot of things people said because the Demo was just a part of 0.2. Remember that Game Dev is always one update ahead. Maybe Elenas Explanation of why she choose to not give the recomendation at the end of 0.2 was a quick response to one of the bigger critiques of the Demo, who knows.

I personally make the deciding point of "Was it worth it?" when the First Sex Scenes are back in because those were the thing that really cemented my decision to back his patreon. Basically 99% of the Sex Scenes on this board fall in 1 of 2 traps, sometimes both. They a) are so emabrissingly short that by the time i get comfortable and want to wank i have already seen 2 Scenes or b) it's basically just me choosing a camera angle or position and pressing "Cum/Finish" when i feel like it. I like VN's aka having dialoge happen during the Sex, gives it more weight in my eyes, and Unlimited Pleasure was the only thing that gave me that.

 

[saynotoNTR]

Can't say anything for Acting Lessons and Being a Dik but NLT is not a good writer and My New Family hardly as well.
NLT builts his mystery around a carrot on a stick that gets pushed away with every update and all the relationships are solved by a convinient Sex Drug. I like his games for the Exploration but story wise there are nothing to really talk about.
My New Family is basically generating a new conflict and solving it by believing in each other aka Power of Friendship.

Waifston's Writing certainly did improve over the last year, it's just that if he wants to improve he has to fail fast cause you don't learn anything from success but from falling on your face. 0.2 couldn't really incorporate a lot of things people said because the Demo was just a part of 0.2. Remember that Game Dev is always one update ahead. Maybe Elenas Explanation of why she choose to not give the recomendation at the end of 0.2 was a quick response to one of the bigger critiques of the Demo, who knows.

I personally make the deciding point of "Was it worth it?" when the First Sex Scenes are back in because those were the thing that really cemented my decision to back his patreon. Basically 99% of the Sex Scenes on this board fall in 1 of 2 traps, sometimes both. They a) are so emabrissingly short that by the time i get comfortable and want to wank i have already seen 2 Scenes or b) it's basically just me choosing a camera angle or position and pressing "Cum/Finish" when i feel like it. I like VN's aka having dialoge happen during the Sex, gives it more weight in my eyes, and Unlimited Pleasure was the only thing that gave me that.

I want to make it clear that I am not trying to offend Waifston when I say he is a bad writer. It is no secret to anyone that he has poor writing skills. I just think he should have that in mind before trying to write something unique and never seen before. If a developer knows he is not good at writing plots, why should he focus more on the story? As some people have already commented, he needed two updates to present the prologue. The prologue lasts for hours, I've never seen this kind of thing before. All this because he wanted to put too much detail into the plot instead of doing something simple. The result? People hated it. You think NLT is not a good writer, but do you think Waifston's writing skills have improved? This is a rhetorical question, you don't have to answer me and end up embarrassing yourself.

 

[Ancarius]

I want to make it clear that I am not trying to offend Waifston when I say he is a bad writer. It is no secret to anyone that he has poor writing skills. I just think he should have that in mind before trying to write something unique and never seen before. If a developer knows he is not good at writing plots, why should he focus more on the story? As some people have already commented, he needed two updates to present the prologue. The prologue lasts for hours, I've never seen this kind of thing before. All this because he wanted to put too much detail into the plot instead of doing something simple. The result? People hated it. You think NLT is not a good writer, but do you think Waifston's writing skills have improved? This is a rhetorical question, you don't have to answer me and end up embarrassing yourself.

Slow down. Waifston can't know he is a bad writer before writing PE just because people now "proof" it. That Train of Logic goes nowhere.
And i will answer your rethorical question since you really want to be negative. Yes i think his writing has improved. *plays laughing audience track*

 

[saynotoNTR]

Slow down. Waifston can't know he is a bad writer before writing PE just because people now "proof" it. That Train of Logic goes nowhere.
And i will answer your rethorical question since you really want to be negative. Yes i think his writing has improved. *plays laughing audience track*

I am not being negative, I am being realistic. Didn't Waifston know he was a bad writer? The main reason that led him to create the Premium Edition was because he was aware that the plot of the original game was bad (it is now worse). But you're the one who's right, Waifston's writing has really improved. Just look at the reception that DEMO received: just compliments and congratulations on the incredible storyline created. Sorry, I don't really know what I'm talking about.

 

[DMNOV3R]

Again, 1 star review? What wrong with those latest reviews? This game can't be that bad.

You are deluded, I already told you to stop being arrogant. You think you're the most promising developer for this generation, right? Well, you are not. Learn more about humility, did you create a shitty game and still want to criticize those who gave you a 1 star review? Aren't you happy? Start moving your candy ass and create a decent game. I'll be back when you make the next update available, if you show that you are humble enough to follow people's advice, I edit my review and increase the number of stars.

Clock is ticking. * tic * tac * tic * tac

 

[Ouryuken]

imo, both plots were kinda bad, but the new one flows a tiny bit better? not that im expecting Nier Automata's level of complexity on plot, but new one at least flows better, the old one was kinda on the nose

renders are looking a bit better or polished in the new one, or maybe its my imagination, but it looks like it

what really is TERRIBLE about the remake, is that despite a lot of content already "existing" (on the original one), remake basically makes use of nothing

i know a remake means, well, a remake, but its quite boring to going back to waiting a billion updates to see a tit

this is made worse by the "branching", i personally (maybe its awesome for other people) hate branching, it forces you to have a billion saves and contantly loading back and fast forwarding to see a different scene, on top of slowing the dev proccess cuz gotta put something in for "every route"

 

[zh]

Hmmm... I have some questions...

IMO the old version was great. Simple story but great nonetheless.

So... Why not just create a new game instead of remaking an already existing great game? Because the reviews and ratings do not fit the new version at all. The new version is not that good imo. I especially don't like the MC. And if the lead figure is bad, well...

Was it a Patreon demand or something?

 

[mangawizard]

What happened here?

Too many pages and I'm confused as to what happened. Waifston wasn't happy with the game or its direction? I personally really enjoyed how it was easy to just hit up a girl for a couple of ingame days and get on with her story. If he wanted to scrap it all I understand, but at least make a different game right?

 

[Deleted member 2366660]

Waifston's Writing certainly did improve over the last year, it's just that if he wants to improve he has to fail fast cause you don't learn anything from success but from falling on your face. 0.2 couldn't really incorporate a lot of things people said because the Demo was just a part of 0.2. Remember that Game Dev is always one update ahead. Maybe Elenas Explanation of why she choose to not give the recomendation at the end of 0.2 was a quick response to one of the bigger critiques of the Demo, who knows.

As I said previously, the story is bound to be lacking because its foundations are too shaky and unstable. Too many inconsistancies, irrelevant elements and a plot too weak because of it all. You can't build a house if the foundations are too wobbly.

 

[zh]

The MC also got a very common illness : the dick shrinking illness.
For some reason a lot of people like to complain about big dick size in porn games... I guess the Dev listened to the vocal minority... *sigh*

 

[DA22]

As I said previously, the story is bound to be lacking because its foundations are too shaky and unstable. Too many inconsistancies, irrelevant elements and a plot too weak because of it all. You can't build a house if the foundations are too wobbly.

True that is also what I tried to indicate to dev when talking just about the premium, without comparing to old version and what worked better in that, with some examples mainly involving setup MC, Elena and Alice, though it goes for almost all characters and story and way they impact on each other. It is hard to built a good strong house that will keep standing when the foundations are rotten or not aligned well and the character setup and story is that foundation..

Edit: Now the sex scenes may still work and be hot (Though the unlikability of the main chars may for many that think they play a nice harem game interfere with that enjoyment. Just as choices do not really matter if you do not care for the chars and how your choices work out due to that, also the sex gets lots less hot for those players) , but he wanted people to also come for the story and not just the sex scenes I gather from his motivation.

 

[Ancarius]

As I said previously, the story is bound to be lacking because its foundations are too shaky and unstable. Too many inconsistancies, irrelevant elements and a plot too weak because of it all. You can't build a house if the foundations are too wobbly.

Wasn't trying to say that his writing improved to a point were i would say "play it for the plot", just improved over what was there in the beginning, which was nothing but the setup. Hence why i made the point about failing fast as you only learn something from the critique, compliment is good to confirm that what you are doing is good. I don't share all of the criticism that are voiced here and if i do i just post them on his patreon, no reason for a double post.

 

[saynotoNTR]

The MC also got a very common illness : the dick shrinking illness.
For some reason a lot of people like to complain about big dick size in porn games... I guess the Dev listened to the vocal minority... *sigh*

When it comes to adult games and pornography in general you never shrink anything. See the example of Elena in the Christmas episode (shrink boobs), and now people's opinion about the protagonist's penis size in the Premium Edition (shrink penis). Ancarius told me that people need to make mistakes to get better, but what did Waifston learn from the failure of the Christmas episode? Apparently, nothing.

 

[Ancarius]

He learned to make new characters if he wants more diverse body types?

 

[saynotoNTR]

He learned to make new characters if he wants more diverse body types?

I will not deny it.
This time I will agree with you (without sarcasm). That is really the only thing he has learned.

 

[Deleted member 2366660]

Wasn't trying to say that his writing improved to a point were i would say "play it for the plot", just improved over what was there in the beginning, which was nothing but the setup. Hence why i made the point about failing fast as you only learn something from the critique, compliment is good to confirm that what you are doing is good. I don't share all of the criticism that are voiced here and if i do i just post them on his patreon, no reason for a double post.

Improvement is not what is at stake here for a simple reason : the story can't improve. Or rather, the first step to improvement is rebuilding. Because the premium version's prologue showed us too many flaws storywise, if this game keeps on growing, it will crumble at some point.