Ren'Py Vae Victis - Khan: Conquer, Ravish, Breed [v0.12.5] [Doorknob22]

[Dr. Lewdwig]

Where are you getting reprogammable animatronics?
You have the choice of serving as a slave, chained to a throne, humiliated, on display to every visitor, publicly fucked, and possibley passed around as a freeuse fucktoy, or bend knee and serve as an advisor and retain some semblance of power and dignity, which would you chose? It's a harsh world where rape and murder are common, power comes on the edge of a sword, female leaders in particular have to be pragmatic.
I guarantee most would bend knee, some might prefer death, but those likely wouldn't be captured alive in the first place.

I strongly believe that's an unsustainable state of body-mind. That, being the free-use slave option. Not if we have a shred of respect for reality.
If you take someone who's been living at the tip of the political pyramid, spending their lives ruling and scheming, and then give them a choice between 'death' and 'living as a degenerate slave', they will either choose death or if they don't it's only in the hope of stalling to find an escape route. If they realize there's absolutely no escape, they will either commit suicide or will lose their sanity. I've seen people go catatonic to reject reality for far less.
That's why the game has to come up with "She tries to bite you, but the magic put on this dungeon stops her." or "If you don't do as I say, other Amazonians will suffer. (bribe)" as a way out. Because someone like that would fight any chance they get.

Again, it's not a matter of feasibility. What you're saying can certainly be done in a game. IMO, it's only a matter of 'how far you're willing to distance yourself from reality' ... which is already quite far anyway. We are living in a world of orcs and goblins after all.

 

[Stil996]

I strongly believe that's an unsustainable state of body-mind. That, being the free-use slave option. Not if we have a shred of respect for reality.
If you take someone who's been living at the tip of the political pyramid, spending their lives ruling and scheming, and then give them a choice between 'death' and 'living as a degenerate slave', they will either choose death or if they don't it's only in the hope of stalling to find an escape route. If they realize there's absolutely no escape, they will either commit suicide or will lose their sanity. I've seen people go catatonic to reject reality for far less.
That's why the game has to come up with "She tries to bite you, but the magic put on this dungeon stops her." or "If you don't do as I say, other Amazonians will suffer. (bribe)" as a way out. Because someone like that would fight any chance they get.

Again, it's not a matter of feasibility. What you're saying can certainly be done in a game. IMO, it's only a matter of 'how far you're willing to distance yourself from reality' ... which is already quite far anyway. We are living in a world of orcs and goblins after all.

1. "and then give them a choice between 'death' and 'living as a degenerate slave'"
   Nope you misunderstand, they have no choice of death or slavery (the choice is Advisor or Fucktoy), only the very determined would manage suicide, and it is doubtful someone that determined would get captured in the first place
2. And why would you care about the sanity of your fuck toy (it's not their brains that matter in that role), they might even serve better in a broken state as an example to others who might resist you, imagine a newly captured Queen seeing her former "Noble" Rival in a semi catatonic state, drooling cum at the feet of her new conqueror, I think that would drive home the point that she would want to work harder to avoid that fate.
3. Who said anything about "Degenerate" Slaves I am a loving master, if they please me I am likely to please them.
   they would spend most of their time in relative luxury waiting to service me (think lush harem instead of dank slave pits), another reason I hate the Dungeon, being kept in that state WOULD break them in short order.

True people at the top of the pyramid have a well deserved reputation for being the weakest of their cultures, but that is mostly because they never get tested like the poor. Who knows how they might respond, there have been slaves throughout almost the entirety of recorded human history, strange how they managed to do that if they keep breaking so easily, and my slaves aren't even being asked to live in squalor or do back breaking work, they would be pampered pets (when properly trained). Hell they might even have better lives than many noble daughters who get married off for political advantage.

But on the whole I think you are either treating your slaves much harsher than I would or you are grossly underestimating their ability to adapt.

 

[Dr. Lewdwig]

1. "and then give them a choice between 'death' and 'living as a degenerate slave'"
   Nope you misunderstand, they have no choice of death or slavery (the choice is Advisor or Fucktoy), only the very determined would manage suicide, and it is doubtful someone that determined would get captured in the first place
2. And why would you care about the sanity of your fuck toy (it's not their brains that matter in that role), they might even serve better in a broken state as an example to others who might resist you, imagine a newly captured Queen seeing her former "Noble" Rival in a semi catatonic state, drooling cum at the feet of her new conqueror, I think that would drive home the point that she would want to work harder to avoid that fate.
3. Who said anything about "Degenerate" Slaves I am a loving master, if they please me I am likely to please them.
   they would spend most of their time in relative luxury waiting to service me (think lush harem instead of dank slave pits), another reason I hate the Dungeon, being kept in that state WOULD break them in short order.

True people at the top of the pyramid have a well deserved reputation for being the weakest of their cultures, but that is mostly because they never get tested like the poor. Who knows how they might respond, there have been slaves throughout almost the entirety of recorded human history, strange how they managed to do that if they keep breaking so easily, and my slaves aren't even being asked to live in squalor or do back breaking work, they would be pampered pets (when properly trained). Hell they might even have better lives than many noble daughters who get married off for political advantage.

But on the whole I think you are either treating your slaves much harsher than I would or you are grossly underestimating their ability to adapt.

I see. I guess it's time to agree to disagree then

 

[alex19]

I can't bring myself to write a scene where the victim enjoys being raped. I mean: don't take moral advice from a porn writer, but the notion of "she ends up liking it" is so morally flawed, that even I (who wrote scenes where a daughter is ravaged in front of her helpless father) can't bring myself to write.

So, no: if you expect scenes which start with rape and end up with orgasm, I'm afraid you'll be sorely disappointed with my game. A total waste of your time. The sex scenes I write are either consensual or extremely not, never a mix of the two.



If you refer to Wench seduction after the post-combat ravishment, I'm seriously considering to remove it from 0.8 onward: If you'll rape the Wench after the 1:1 combat, your seduction path will be blocked. I didn't like this hypocritical flow from day one, time to make the players choose.

Continue to keep both paths open, let the players decide!

 

[Arnevenson]

I can't bring myself to write a scene where the victim enjoys being raped. I mean: don't take moral advice from a porn writer, but the notion of "she ends up liking it" is so morally flawed, that even I (who wrote scenes where a daughter is ravaged in front of her helpless father) can't bring myself to write.

Strongly agree with that.
Not to add that, anyway, if she ends up being happy, it's not rape anymore and as such the very point of making a rape scene is lost. It becomes just unhealthy BDSM.

If you refer to Wench seduction after the post-combat ravishment, I'm seriously considering to remove it from 0.8 onward: If you'll rape the Wench after the 1:1 combat, your seduction path will be blocked. I didn't like this hypocritical flow from day one, time to make the players choose.

Also agree. And in fact I'd like to expand a bit on this to make a bit of constructive criticism. I've finished recently the released parts of the game ; as with everything, there are parts I liked more and other less (mainly, I'm not a fan of the "blackmail/intimidation rape" and prefer the "tied up" one, so the amazon leader, the elf leader, the black murderer and so on really didn't do anything to me, and incest downright revulses me so, well, I simply completely skipped a few scenes), but on the whole I found the content pretty good even if not up to my taste.

But there was one part that I found honestly pretty weak in a somewhat "objective" way, and it was the "wenches life update" (0.6 or so IIRC ?). The one where you get an adventure with each wench and get a chance to bring them back from the dungeon.
The idea in itself wasn't bad, but in practice it just felt completely off if they were in fact jailed. Read like a fanfiction, with the characters simply not really recognizable and not acting at all like people who were raped and abused for weeks.
Also a bit sad we couldn't add Eviette to the dungeon

Also a somewhat unrelated criticism when it comes to dungeon scenes : the latter ones simply replay the original scene, while the first ones had a scene when you put the wench in the dungon originally, and a slightly adjusted one when you go see them again, which is a much better approach (it doesn't make sense to have the "first time reaction" except, well, the first time).

 

[Doorknob22]

But there was one part that I found honestly pretty weak in a somewhat "objective" way, and it was the "wenches life update" (0.6 or so IIRC ?). The one where you get an adventure with each wench and get a chance to bring them back from the dungeon.
The idea in itself wasn't bad, but in practice it just felt completely off if they were in fact jailed. Read like a fanfiction, with the characters simply not really recognizable and not acting at all like people who were raped and abused for weeks.
Also a bit sad we couldn't add Eviette to the dungeon

Also a somewhat unrelated criticism when it comes to dungeon scenes : the latter ones simply replay the original scene, while the first ones had a scene when you put the wench in the dungon originally, and a slightly adjusted one when you go see them again, which is a much better approach (it doesn't make sense to have the "first time reaction" except, well, the first time).

1. The "Act 2"s were introduced to address a certain weakness in the game's mechanism. As it happens, the player experience is very "Genghis Khanesqe" experience in the fact that you are constantly conquering new fiefdoms and their leaders. This dynamic adds a lot of variety but also some shallowness in how the player interacts with what are supposed to be the deepest characters in the game: The Wenches. In these quests I attempted to add more depth to the Wenches so the player will know a bit more about them but this can't really be done if the Wench is treated like a mute fuck puppet throughout the quest. Hence, I took them out of their "natural" environment, allowing Karder some slightly more relaxed atmosphere with them. There are, however, numerous checks in the dialog: if the Wench was in the dungeon before the quest, Karder will behave in one manner and if not, in another.

If there are specific lines in the dialog you feel are off for Dungeon Wench, please me me know, perhaps I missed those.

2. I have added a task for myself in 0.8 to "revisit dungeon revisits"... Hopefully in 0.8 I'll sort them all out.

 

[jaycyke]

Wish we have more WW/Diana content , she's the best.

 

[Doorknob22]

0.8 Sneak preview: Marny.

Spoiler: Karder, playing (fake) doctor in an orc chieftain's harem. Coming in 0.8.

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[jackeasy]

0.8 Sneak preview: Marny.

Spoiler: Karder, playing (fake) doctor in an orc chieftain's harem. Coming in 0.8.

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[Jaike]

If you refer to Wench seduction after the post-combat ravishment, I'm seriously considering to remove it from 0.8 onward: If you'll rape the Wench after the 1:1 combat, your seduction path will be blocked. I didn't like this hypocritical flow from day one, time to make the players choose.

Ok, let's review this bit for all Wenches.
1. Angilia:

ka "I will not apologize for my actions in your temple, as it is not my habit to explain myself to my defeated opponents."

ka "However, I may make this a single incident if I see value in you."

2. Nahir:

ka "I'm not in the habit of apologizing to my former opponents, but I realize my behavior after our duel was not... noble."

3. Teniya:

ka "I... I must admit that while I can be an... enthusiastic lover sometimes, it is not my habit to rape women on the field of battle."

ka "Perhaps it was your beauty which enchanted me. Regardless, I wish to apologize."

4. Sumia:

ka "Well... I will not apologize, but I admit it was your ravishing beauty which inflamed my emotions."

5. Dian and Antiope:

dian "Perhaps she has forgotten how you {b}raped{/b} us after we yielded..."

anti "Such is war, my queen. And such are men."

anti "The fact the His Majesty is still wearing his clothes suggests he was carried by heat of the moment..."

ka "In fact I was."

6. Black Alana:

ka "Are you well? I was... rough with you, at your hall."



Oh, and Naruz-The-Wind just kinda shrugs because "But of course you did. You won."

I get why you'd want to remove the options for seduction after rape, but I think they're a rare case in porn games where they make sense, even without an apology. For the wenches the choice is between a seat at the table or rotting in a dungeon, so why wouldn't they comply if Karder gives them the chance? Who knows, maybe the next stop is the chopping block, they've no way of knowing that.

 

[TedInven]

Dumb question but where do I put this?

Paste "gallery_unlocker.rpy" inside "Khan-0.7.5-pc\game\".

 

[Canto Forte]

Well ... mostly ill advised/self taught scholars of all sorts a bibles, old testament scholars,
they say it was said that JEwish Men would ”take the wife of a deceased brother as his own”
so we are left with a supposedly known rule of life in the harems of Abrahaam or MOses or
any other great leader refferenced in the old testament where THEY TAKE WIFES OF FALLEN
BROTHERS, WHO KNOWS, MAYBE EVEN COUSINS OR MORE REMOTE FAMILY MEMBERS,
WHICH IS AGAIN WITHOUT ANYONE ACTUALLY ASKING THE WIDDOW ABOUT ANY OF IT.

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dOES ANYBODY KNOW IF THE WIDDOW ACTUALLY HAD CONSENT POSSIBILITY?

iS THIS ALL FAIRY TALE?

bECAUSE THIS GAME IS FILLED WITH MYSTICAL BEASTS FROM WORLD OR WARCRAFT.

 

[Stil996]

dOES ANYBODY KNOW IF THE WIDDOW ACTUALLY HAD CONSENT POSSIBILITY?

iS THIS ALL FAIRY TALE?

bECAUSE THIS GAME IS FILLED WITH MYSTICAL BEASTS FROM WORLD OR WARCRAFT.

I doubt it, Rape is a relatively modern concept that was mostly based as a theft, women being property of their fathers (who used their virginity as a way to raise their value) then their husbands (In their capacity of providing heirs).

 

[Xegrid]

I doubt it, Rape is a relatively modern concept that was mostly based as a theft, women being property of their fathers (who used their virginity as a way to raise their value) then their husbands (In their capacity of providing heirs).

mmm somewhat correct with the execption of it being a modern concept, the act being considered a crime in all aspects of sociaty was very much a thing, REMEMBER the last king of rome lost his kingship for that very reason, and that was somewhere around 509 BC, so i would hardly call a concept that could lose you the title of king 2500 years ago "modern"

what is however more "modern" is the concept of everyone having protection from that act, regardless of status, and ofc it was also important what was the status and power of the one comiting the crime, something that unfortunatlly is still enf today to save some of the people commiting said crime from punishment

 

[Xegrid]

1. The "Act 2"s were introduced to address a certain weakness in the game's mechanism. As it happens, the player experience is very "Genghis Khanesqe" experience in the fact that you are constantly conquering new fiefdoms and their leaders. This dynamic adds a lot of variety but also some shallowness in how the player interacts with what are supposed to be the deepest characters in the game: The Wenches. In these quests I attempted to add more depth to the Wenches so the player will know a bit more about them but this can't really be done if the Wench is treated like a mute fuck puppet throughout the quest. Hence, I took them out of their "natural" environment, allowing Karder some slightly more relaxed atmosphere with them. There are, however, numerous checks in the dialog: if the Wench was in the dungeon before the quest, Karder will behave in one manner and if not, in another.

If there are specific lines in the dialog you feel are off for Dungeon Wench, please me me know, perhaps I missed those.

2. I have added a task for myself in 0.8 to "revisit dungeon revisits"... Hopefully in 0.8 I'll sort them all out.

i would have to agree with what post #2,807 said, like it or not thous women had no idea if what will come next will be that the dungeon door would be thrown open and she becomes a freeby for the rest of her life to the rest of the army or if execution was next, humans have a natural tendency to swallow there pride when after all that was suffered in the dungeon an offer to come and live at the palace is offered
i would say i am also happy at how the dev made that event turn out, and you can see the different way both the mc and the woman talk to each other, based on your choices (i'v seen some post mention that they did not like it because "the dialog did not fit her character " if she was in the dungeon, to me this does not make to much sense because you can't rly extrapolate her character out of the 9-ish sentences that you exchange during the parley )

my question would be, is this something that would be offered for the rest of the women ? ( i only conqered the north initial option, something with O.... forgot the name) so i don't know yet if this is something that is only avaible for her, or if this is something planed for the rest, ooor if this is something that is already present for the rest (like i said the posibilityes for me to have this option makes sense from there perspective because they get to escape that ..... life.... and it also makes sense from the MC perspective, after all I AM THE FUCKING KHAN so there shouldn't be a "you are not allowed to do that sir" kuz his head is gone go bye bye )

and second question would be, will i get the bonus stats benefits if i gave them a chance to come to the palace AFTER i initaly throwed them in the dungeon? or is that something that you only get if you bring them to the palace from the very start and never in to the dungeon

 

[Doorknob22]

my question would be, is this something that would be offered for the rest of the women ? ( i only conqered the north initial option, something with O.... forgot the name) so i don't know yet if this is something that is only avaible for her, or if this is something planed for the rest, ooor if this is something that is already present for the rest (like i said the posibilityes for me to have this option makes sense from there perspective because they get to escape that ..... life.... and it also makes sense from the MC perspective, after all I AM THE FUCKING KHAN so there shouldn't be a "you are not allowed to do that sir" kuz his head is gone go bye bye )

and second question would be, will i get the bonus stats benefits if i gave them a chance to come to the palace AFTER i initaly throwed them in the dungeon? or is that something that you only get if you bring them to the palace from the very start and never in to the dungeon

1. I'm not entirely sure what "this" refers to but all Wenches in the game can be Ravished after the 1:1 combat and later sent to the Palace.

2. After conquest, you first meet the Wenches in your Holding Cells. From there you can either send them to the Palace (and later to the Dungeon) or to the Dungeon (which is a one way street).

 

[Xegrid]

1. I'm not entirely sure what "this" refers to but all Wenches in the game can be Ravished after the 1:1 combat and later sent to the Palace.

2. After conquest, you first meet the Wenches in your Holding Cells. From there you can either send them to the Palace (and later to the Dungeon) or to the Dungeon (which is a one way street).

aaa, after i sent angi to the dungeon and after she was pregnant a few turns later (i pesume after she had the kid?") i got a quest for some sword by eviette at the end of witch i got the option to sent her BACK to the dungeon ooooor to reconsider and sent her to the palace, witch i did and it's where she sits now so it was most defenetly NOT a one way street, was this NOT suppose to happen ? i'm confused now

 

[Doorknob22]

aaa, after i sent angi to the dungeon and after she was pregnant a few turns later (i pesume after she had the kid?") i got a quest for some sword by eviette at the end of witch i got the option to sent her BACK to the dungeon ooooor to reconsider and sent her to the palace, witch i did and it's where she sits now so it was most defenetly NOT a one way street, was this NOT suppose to happen ? i'm confused now

Oops, you got me. I forgot about this.

Yes, for those Wenches with "Act 2" (Angilia, Teniya, Nahir and Sumia) you do have the option after the Act 2 quest to send them from the Dungeon to the Palace.

 

[Xegrid]

Oops, you got me. I forgot about this.

Yes, for those Wenches with "Act 2" (Angilia, Teniya, Nahir and Sumia) you do have the option after the Act 2 quest to send them from the Dungeon to the Palace.

oky cool that's all i wanted to know
so far rly enjoying the game, the mc is kind of a PoS, buut fits verry well with the theme, judging by the walkthrough the "labirinth" exploration maps were not pressent at the start and it was something added on later, witch i rly appriciate since i don't need paper to write them down, the only thing i would change i would say would be the "ireversable" note when it comes to the option to sent them to the dungeon for (Angilia, Teniya, Nahir and Sumia) to something like "reversable onnly one time" this way you will know that you can reverse it back to the palace, BUT ONLY ONE TIME
other than that i would also say that i don't mind the kingdome management aspect, as i am playing pathfinder at the moment for me this is easy to ace through but i do like that you included an option for thous who did not want to get tangled into it

 

[Yass4Fake]

man i love your game so much i have been searching it two days ago and today when i wanted to release my own game i found you finally